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Myrfrost
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:52:00 -
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I can not imagine they will replace traditional ships because they are likely to be very expensive and even if they are not who is going to pvp in a ship that guarantees them the loss of skills?
I can not imagine using them for pve because what we have works fine and again the risk of skill loss seems a deterent from using them here either.
I resubbed all my accounts about 6 months ago for this expansion and find myself wondering why? I don't see where I will use tech3 in either pve or pvp.
So I'm hoping someone can give me some feed back that makes me feel less like I've been excited about something that has no value to me. OK the game might look prettier but I've been happy with that already.
I'm not trying to be a malcontent. I'm honestly very disappointed in this SOE sort of Oh and By the way sort of appendage that takes something fun and makes it too painfull to be usefull in an even worse way than T2 does for pvp by being too costly.
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Shintai
Gallente
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 10/03/2009 18:03:19
You can easily use them in both PvE and PvP. I dont think the cost will be bad. Its like saying you dont PvP in a T2 ship because its too expensive.
Edit: oh wait. You do think T2 is too costly....and 6 accounts? Seriously learn to earn isk. With 6 accounts you could lose a HAC each hour and still have more money than before!
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Tlaloc Camaxtli
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tlaloc Camaxtli on 10/03/2009 18:03:06
they are good for extending your e-peen while AFK on a gate in a busy system like Jita.
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IceAero
Amarr
Shadow Company
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:07:00 -
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4 days ago these ships were really powerful and useful.
2 days ago they got a little powergrid nerf, and now they are 'ok' at best.
They can tank pretty well, but not buffer tank.
I'm not sure on the current status of the tengu/loki passive shield tank, because they didn't seed the mods after they changed them all around.
They will pump out DPS like a BC if you cut your tank.
They are not as fast as HACs
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:09:00 -
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If your afraid to fly it then don't buy it, simple as that.
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:10:00 -
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Not sure if they still have range bonuses but it they do you might see people running sniping T3 SC gangs (with cloaks fitted so they can afk and also get through gatecamps little better). This provided they can deal more dps at same range than HACs.
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Necrosmith
Gallente
Chunder Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:13:00 -
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ePeen, imo.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:13:00 -
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I can't see them been used for pvp much since most people are not going to re train a skill if they lose there ship, for minimal ship gains.
For Pve, to early to tell.
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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:14:00 -
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I'm not sure fear or cost will keep them from being used, as much as the fact that they're merely cruisers will.
As far as I can tell, they're only good for beta-testing the tech 3 system.
Maybe I'm missing where Cruisers are widely used by players rich enough to afford the latest greatest tech toys.
Tech 3 may have its uses when it scales up, but I'm not reading of people having any difficulty doing Level 2 missions with simple tech 1 cruisers, so where else are cruisers in use and why would tech 3 be worthwhile there?
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Necrosmith
ePeen, imo.
Ding ding ding
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:27:00 -
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its going to be the empire dwellers ship of choice until people figure out how much it takes to jihad one and then it begins the hunt
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Myrfrost
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:28:00 -
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"You can easily use them in both PvE and PvP. I dont think the cost will be bad. Its like saying you dont PvP in a T2 ship because its too expensive."
I think it was obvious I was talking in general terms but I do understand that is hard for some people to grasp.
Tech2 is simply not used as often in PvP combat as it could be. I've been involved with Corps over the years that regularly warn against using T2 because the replacement costs are too high.
If you can afford to drop ships with ease good for you. I have a large number of T2 ships docked in Low sec but that's me. I don't think it is debatable that the cost of Tech2 ships keep many of them out of Low Sec. With the exception of some of the uber ships like Vagabonds. How many Mauraders have you seen lately for example?
This is beside the point I was trying to make and my question. if I'm risking the loss of weeks or months of training every time I jump into space I think I'm going to be reluctant to jump into space with the ship. I'm honestly wondering how many people will start out using their T3 ships and use them less and less as they advance in levels?
Who knows. I might be wrong but until I know more I honestly don't plan on spending much time on it. It feels like CCP is ultimately working toward charging me 14.95$ each time a ship blows up. I have several accounts I have not been actively playing so I could keep their training going in expectation of this expansion. So in from my perspective the loss of skill is directly a loss of money invested in my characters. Maybe it doesn't make sense but I'm sure I'm not alone and I suspect many people excited about T3 today will abandon it when the costs for using it becomes more apparent or most problematic as they advance. The more invested you are in T3 the more you are penalised for using it. I am wondering if that sounds fun to anyone else?
T2 was the bomb until the real costs came in. T3 is almost certainly going to cost far more than T2 for quite some time and if you throw Skill loss / $loss on top of it I really wonder who is going to honestly use it for anything other than EP33n excercises.
I use T2 weapons every day but as far as I know there are no T3 weapons?
So my question still remains. Is the skill loss penalty harsh enough to keep people from using the T3 ships? For me I think it is.
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Ginako
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:34:00 -
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You know that if you eject you avoid the Skill penalty right?
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The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:34:00 -
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I thought you only lost SP that were related to the T3 ships not regular skills.
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IceAero
Amarr
Shadow Company
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Myrfrost
"You can easily use them in both PvE and PvP. I dont think the cost will be bad. Its like saying you dont PvP in a T2 ship because its too expensive."
I think it was obvious I was talking in general terms but I do understand that is hard for some people to grasp.
Tech2 is simply not used as often in PvP combat as it could be. I've been involved with Corps over the years that regularly warn against using T2 because the replacement costs are too high.
If you can afford to drop ships with ease good for you. I have a large number of T2 ships docked in Low sec but that's me. I don't think it is debatable that the cost of Tech2 ships keep many of them out of Low Sec. With the exception of some of the uber ships like Vagabonds. How many Mauraders have you seen lately for example?
This is beside the point I was trying to make and my question. if I'm risking the loss of weeks or months of training every time I jump into space I think I'm going to be reluctant to jump into space with the ship. I'm honestly wondering how many people will start out using their T3 ships and use them less and less as they advance in levels?
Who knows. I might be wrong but until I know more I honestly don't plan on spending much time on it. It feels like CCP is ultimately working toward charging me 14.95$ each time a ship blows up. I have several accounts I have not been actively playing so I could keep their training going in expectation of this expansion. So in from my perspective the loss of skill is directly a loss of money invested in my characters. Maybe it doesn't make sense but I'm sure I'm not alone and I suspect many people excited about T3 today will abandon it when the costs for using it becomes more apparent or most problematic as they advance. The more invested you are in T3 the more you are penalised for using it. I am wondering if that sounds fun to anyone else?
T2 was the bomb until the real costs came in. T3 is almost certainly going to cost far more than T2 for quite some time and if you throw Skill loss / $loss on top of it I really wonder who is going to honestly use it for anything other than EP33n excercises.
I use T2 weapons every day but as far as I know there are no T3 weapons?
So my question still remains. Is the skill loss penalty harsh enough to keep people from using the T3 ships? For me I think it is.
Dying in a T3 ships takes away 4 days of training at MOST.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Myrfrost
This is beside the point I was trying to make and my question. if I'm risking the loss of weeks or months of training every time I jump into space I think I'm going to be reluctant to jump into space with the ship. I'm honestly wondering how many people will start out using their T3 ships and use them less and less as they advance in levels?
You only risk 1 skill level in one of the T3 subsystem skills, so a level 1 skill.
I doubt many people will train the 5th level in those skills, but while painful the loss is manageable.
About the no loss on ejecting: I doubt it will be a functional system in most instances (lag and so on).
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:39:00 -
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flying around and shooting stuff i would imagine.
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Cyonidicus
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:41:00 -
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Is there any mining modules/bonus's you can get?
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:42:00 -
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PvE seems to be the only sensible application of T3. The skill loss with losing a T3 ship doesn't give them alot of PvP potential. Very nice tanks though.
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Decimus Caedrius
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:43:00 -
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To tease those who don't have them.
Quote:
sLaughter is the best medicine!
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brinelan
Caldari
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: brinelan on 10/03/2009 18:45:29
Originally by: Myrfrost
Tech2 is simply not used as often in PvP combat as it could be. I've been involved with Corps over the years that regularly warn against using T2 because the replacement costs are too high.
Really? I can honestly say that I have never been told that before, and infact have been told to take t2 when you have them.
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This is beside the point I was trying to make and my question. if I'm risking the loss of weeks or months of training every time I jump into space I think I'm going to be reluctant to jump into space with the ship. I'm honestly wondering how many people will start out using their T3 ships and use them less and less as they advance in levels?
Since when does it take weeks to train a rank 1 skill? (unless the rank changed, but last I knew it was a rank 1) And you lose 1 level at that, so you take a few hours, get it to 3 and go pew pew. You can lose 2 t3 ships, then grab soemthing else to lose while you retrain to lvl 2 (in what, 45 min?). Hardly the end of the world.
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Necrosmith
ePeen, imo.
this,
im trainign up to amarr 3333333 so i can cruse the system 'pimpin.
WTB 1x T3 spoiler twice the size of the ship.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:49:00 -
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Skill loss is avoided by ejecting
Their use is versatility
They're frickin cruisers. Good luck using one to grind PVE
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Myrfrost
T2 was the bomb until the real costs came in. T3 is almost certainly going to cost far more than T2 for quite some time and if you throw Skill loss / $loss on top of it I really wonder who is going to honestly use it for anything other than EP33n excercises.
Considering that killboards are primarily epeen exercises, and that killboards are quite popular, will this mean that t3 ships will be hugely popular as well?
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