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Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:21:00 - [1] Just noticed this on my GTX285... Before the update EvE did not cause this sound. It's not CCP's fault i guess the new build is straining the card more now. If you are also having this issue with EVE or any other demanding games like crysis there is a solution here: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1217575 If u use hot glue you can always peel it off should u ever need to RMA your card. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
Qwyp	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:24:00 - [2] Eve's new sound system for people that play with sound off they make the hardware make noises for you instead? -grin-
Mr Sean	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:25:00 - [3] i'm just glad that you didn't blame your "squealing" video card on CCP :P
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:26:00 - [4] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Just noticed this on my GTX285... Before the update EvE did not cause this sound. It's not CCP's fault i guess the new build is straining the card more now. If you are also having this issue with EVE or any other demanding games like crysis there is a solution here: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1217575 If u use hot glue you can always peel it off should u ever need to RMA your card. its cause your card is too pimp enable vsync in eve by pressing excape, pressing advanced options under graphics and changing the interval to interval one, squealing hsould stop -----------------------------------------------
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Qwyp Eve's new sound system for people that play with sound off they make the hardware make noises for you instead? -grin- LoL it does not come from the speakers, it comes from resonating circuitry on the gfx board. It has been a problem with my boards for some time. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:30:00 - [6] Originally by: midge Mo'yb Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Just noticed this on my GTX285... Before the update EvE did not cause this sound. It's not CCP's fault i guess the new build is straining the card more now. If you are also having this issue with EVE or any other demanding games like crysis there is a solution here: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1217575 If u use hot glue you can always peel it off should u ever need to RMA your card. its cause your card is too pimp enable vsync in eve by pressing excape, pressing advanced options under graphics and changing the interval to interval one, squealing hsould stop i dont see advanced options under gfx... am i missing something ? --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:32:00 - [7] My 4870X2 does exactly the same, and the solution is indeed switching to interval one, althohgh it's not a complete solution but it's a lot better than it was. Self-proclaimed idiot
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 12/03/2009 00:35:34 Ya i just read up on that... changed to interval 1 and it went away... Good info! Edit... Well not totally gone, but definitely better... we need to fix this for good! I think im going to do the mod listed in first post, that should muffle it 100% when using interval 1 --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
Gordan 23	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:54:00 - [9] Yeah "Interval One" kinda mitigate the problem... But I'm always worried my pc will blow up anytime soon.
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:58:00 - [10] Edited by: Agent Unknown on 12/03/2009 00:58:07 Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 12/03/2009 00:42:24 Ya i just read up on that... changed to interval 1 and it got better! Nnot totally gone, but definitely better... we need to fix this for good! I think im going to do the mod listed in first post, that should muffle it 100% when using interval 1 Limiting myself to 60Fps @ interval 1 to fix the squeal kind of seems like a bad fix... It wouldn't matter what your framerate is anyway, as it will always be the same as your monitor's refresh rate (example, mine's capped at 75). The human eye can see 60 FPS, so you won't "see" any lag. As for the squealing, could be the gpu fan getting slightly overworked. Try better cooling ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."

EVEHelpisSeriousBusiness	Posted - 2009.03.12 01:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Agent Unknown Edited by: Agent Unknown on 12/03/2009 00:58:07 Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 12/03/2009 00:42:24 Ya i just read up on that... changed to interval 1 and it got better! Nnot totally gone, but definitely better... we need to fix this for good! I think im going to do the mod listed in first post, that should muffle it 100% when using interval 1 Limiting myself to 60Fps @ interval 1 to fix the squeal kind of seems like a bad fix... It wouldn't matter what your framerate is anyway, as it will always be the same as your monitor's refresh rate (example, mine's capped at 75). The human eye can see 60 FPS, so you won't "see" any lag. As for the squealing, could be the gpu fan getting slightly overworked. Try better cooling Two things here: 1, stop repeating that stupid fscking human eye and 60hz myth, it's trash. Try playing a game at 120hz then switching to 60, you'll see it clearly and you'll really notice it if you're the one moving the view of the game around. Also, try moving an interface window quickly with vsync turned on, notice how it lags a second or so behind where it should be based on the mouse cursor? Oops. 2, if the graphics card is squealing under load then it's not the fan - it's the vreg circuits, stupid. Either the voltage reg circuitry on the card is squealing (my 4870x2 squeals under load) or the system power supply is squealing. 3, stfu and go away.
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.12 01:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Agent Unknown Edited by: Agent Unknown on 12/03/2009 00:58:07 Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 12/03/2009 00:42:24 Ya i just read up on that... changed to interval 1 and it got better! Nnot totally gone, but definitely better... we need to fix this for good! I think im going to do the mod listed in first post, that should muffle it 100% when using interval 1 Limiting myself to 60Fps @ interval 1 to fix the squeal kind of seems like a bad fix... It wouldn't matter what your framerate is anyway, as it will always be the same as your monitor's refresh rate (example, mine's capped at 75). The human eye can see 60 FPS, so you won't "see" any lag. As for the squealing, could be the gpu fan getting slightly overworked. Try better cooling First of all the squealing doesn't come from the fans, it comes from the capacitors I believe. First time I booted Crysis without VSync on I thought my graphics card was going to kill ME from the high pitched sounds. Most newer cards will squeal, mine is particularly loud if VSync is off, even with it on its much louder than my old GTX 280 with Vsync off. Luckly I'll be getting rid of it soon. Also you're not going to tell me that you can't percieve a difference between 60FPS and 120FPS because I most definitely can.
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.12 01:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Agent Unknown on 12/03/2009 01:25:51 I guess some people are a little on edge because of the patch, or either that you both take what someone says personally. Fine, you proved me wrong, but don't be an ass about it. Also, to the first guy, flaming with an alt...ok? ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.12 01:29:00 - [14] On a tube monitor you'll notice it, although some people notice it more than others (I know people who work just fine at 60Hz, while for me it has to be at least 85 and preferably 100Hz). On a TFT this all changes as the pixels themselves don't refresh faster than 60 or 75Hz (there are some that go higher), so it doesn't matter at which 'speed' the dta comes it, TFT is very slow. Due to the totally different technology it's less of a problem and tbh I prefer a proper tube monitor. Self-proclaimed idiot
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.12 01:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Tzar'rim On a tube monitor you'll notice it, although some people notice it more than others (I know people who work just fine at 60Hz, while for me it has to be at least 85 and preferably 100Hz). On a TFT this all changes as the pixels themselves don't refresh faster than 60 or 75Hz (there are some that go higher), so it doesn't matter at which 'speed' the dta comes it, TFT is very slow. Due to the totally different technology it's less of a problem and tbh I prefer a proper tube monitor. I guess the whole myth about the human eye can only see up to 60Hz is because of those CRT monitors. Ever try looking at one set at 60Hz with lights on? It'll strain your eyes. The reason? Light refreshes at the same rate, so in essense you can only "see" 60Hz because humans can only see visible light. However, this is different from FPS, but I guess people (myself included) can sometimes confuse the two. Anywho, on topic: turn up your sound to drown it out! inb4 eve has sound? ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.03.12 03:44:00 - [16] Originally by: EVEHel**eriousBusiness Originally by: Agent Unknown Edited by: Agent Unknown on 12/03/2009 00:58:07 Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 12/03/2009 00:42:24 Ya i just read up on that... changed to interval 1 and it got better! Nnot totally gone, but definitely better... we need to fix this for good! I think im going to do the mod listed in first post, that should muffle it 100% when using interval 1 Limiting myself to 60Fps @ interval 1 to fix the squeal kind of seems like a bad fix... It wouldn't matter what your framerate is anyway, as it will always be the same as your monitor's refresh rate (example, mine's capped at 75). The human eye can see 60 FPS, so you won't "see" any lag. As for the squealing, could be the gpu fan getting slightly overworked. Try better cooling Two things here: 1, stop repeating that stupid fscking human eye and 60hz myth, it's trash. Try playing a game at 120hz then switching to 60, you'll see it clearly and you'll really notice it if you're the one moving the view of the game around. Also, try moving an interface window quickly with vsync turned on, notice how it lags a second or so behind where it should be based on the mouse cursor? Oops. 2, if the graphics card is squealing under load then it's not the fan - it's the vreg circuits, stupid. Either the voltage reg circuitry on the card is squealing (my 4870x2 squeals under load) or the system power supply is squealing. 3, stfu and go away. I loled. You said everything i wanted to say in response to that but did not have the energy to write... Except i was going to add in that i have just spent over $1000 on a custom water cooling loop (an old hobby) in to reply to the "get better cooling" comment. I have always been an overclocking freak. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
Tarjema Maloria In Pain Corp	Posted - 2009.03.12 04:23:00 - [17] Capacitors definately can sqeal. It's not just limited to gfx cards either, power supplies that dont have the best caps in them will do it under load. Good quality capacitors from japan seem to be a bit better about not doing this. Think about that when looking to purchase a new product. Also you might want to look into wheather or not you can RMA your existing device if you have a squealer. I just bought a new XFX 4850 XXX (overclocked from factory model), and a new psu, and get no squeal even when fps goes over 300 for extended periods.
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.12 05:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Tarjema Maloria Capacitors definately can sqeal. It's not just limited to gfx cards either, power supplies that dont have the best caps in them will do it under load. Good quality capacitors from japan seem to be a bit better about not doing this. Think about that when looking to purchase a new product. Also you might want to look into wheather or not you can RMA your existing device if you have a squealer. I just bought a new XFX 4850 XXX (overclocked from factory model), and a new psu, and get no squeal even when fps goes over 300 for extended periods. I know EVGA will let you RMA a card for squealing. I still got 65 days on my step-up from them, going to step up to a 295, or if something better comes out to that \/
Vasherion	Posted - 2009.03.12 05:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Vasherion on 12/03/2009 05:11:04 It's probably just his fan kicking on. Which of course higher graphic games cause your GPU to heat up so it turns the fan faster. It's supposed to do that.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Vasherion Edited by: Vasherion on 12/03/2009 05:11:04 It's probably just his fan kicking on. Which of course higher graphic games cause your GPU to heat up so it turns the fan faster. It's supposed to do that. Posting to quote clueless person... Also a bump for anyone else that needs to know --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community

Ginako	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:09:00 - [21] Yeah my 4870 sounds like a jet is taking off in my PC since the EVE expansion. Kinda scary though -------------- Flying Minmatar is like strapping yourself to an office chair and firing Uzi's as you roll down a flight of stairs!
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:55:00 - [22] This most likely happens when you are in a station right? It's something to do with the station environment. Whenever I dock, the fans on the vid card in my PC's ramp up to max, as the cards start heating up. My GTX 260 goes from 50C out in space to 80C in station. Something in the stations is stressing the cards BIG time. I REALLY wish CCP would fix that. They're going to burn out vid cards because of it. SIG: FULL WINDOWS CLIENT 1.9gig
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2009.03.12 20:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Cors They're going to burn out vid cards because of it. modern processors,video and main, have fail safes and switch off(crash) if temperature gets critical. Last processor I remember having no fail safe was an AMD processor that was prone to burning up when it got hot ====================


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