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InnerDrive	Posted - 2004.08.15 05:23:00 - [1] Edited by: InnerDrive on 15/08/2004 05:25:59 low:4 cap power relays medium: 1 lif fueled booster 100 mn ab , 1 10 mn mwd , 1 webby , 1 7500 scrambler high: i dont know? 150mm small rails ? small projectiles? small blasters ? heavy light? whats the best short range frig killing gun? and the rest of the setup? heavy or light missiles? with this setup i can go about 4 k/s
InnerDrive	Posted - 2004.08.15 05:23:00 - [2] Edited by: InnerDrive on 15/08/2004 05:25:59 low:4 cap power relays medium: 1 lif fueled booster 100 mn ab , 1 10 mn mwd , 1 webby , 1 7500 scrambler high: i dont know? 150mm small rails ? small projectiles? small blasters ? heavy light? whats the best short range frig killing gun? and the rest of the setup? heavy or light missiles? with this setup i can go about 4 k/s
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.15 07:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 15/08/2004 07:49:47 4 medium named laser beams ( small energy guns :: particle stream or modulated if you can ) 1 Named Medium Smart bomb 1 rocket /w defenders 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 Large/Medium TEch 2 Shield booster 1 Large Shield Extender 3 PDUs 1 Tech 2 Dmod Enjoy -----
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.15 07:43:00 - [4] Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 15/08/2004 07:49:47 4 medium named laser beams ( small energy guns :: particle stream or modulated if you can ) 1 Named Medium Smart bomb 1 rocket /w defenders 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 Large/Medium TEch 2 Shield booster 1 Large Shield Extender 3 PDUs 1 Tech 2 Dmod Enjoy -----
InnerDrive	Posted - 2004.08.15 18:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Kaylona Tso Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 15/08/2004 07:49:47 4 medium named laser beams ( small energy guns :: particle stream or modulated if you can ) 1 Named Medium Smart bomb 1 rocket /w defenders 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 Large/Medium TEch 2 Shield booster 1 Large Shield Extender 3 PDUs 1 Tech 2 Dmod Enjoy good firepower and tanking but dont i need to be really fast also ? Speed > Firepower > Tanking
InnerDrive	Posted - 2004.08.15 18:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Kaylona Tso Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 15/08/2004 07:49:47 4 medium named laser beams ( small energy guns :: particle stream or modulated if you can ) 1 Named Medium Smart bomb 1 rocket /w defenders 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 Large/Medium TEch 2 Shield booster 1 Large Shield Extender 3 PDUs 1 Tech 2 Dmod Enjoy good firepower and tanking but dont i need to be really fast also ? Speed > Firepower > Tanking
Damajink	Posted - 2004.08.15 19:05:00 - [7] I'd probably use 4x150mm and 2xAssault Launcher in the highs....meds and lows look OK to me (if you can fit that of course...never used a Moa for killing frigs, prefer the Caracal )
Damajink	Posted - 2004.08.15 19:05:00 - [8] I'd probably use 4x150mm and 2xAssault Launcher in the highs....meds and lows look OK to me (if you can fit that of course...never used a Moa for killing frigs, prefer the Caracal )
Zoneh	Posted - 2004.08.15 19:18:00 - [9] high: 4x small neutron blasters (prototype preferably:P) 2x assult w\ defenders meds: seems fine low: fine also:)
Zoneh	Posted - 2004.08.15 19:18:00 - [10] high: 4x small neutron blasters (prototype preferably:P) 2x assult w\ defenders meds: seems fine low: fine also:)
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:16:00 - [11] see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:16:00 - [12] see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:21:00 - [13] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Kaylona Tso Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 15/08/2004 07:49:47 4 medium named laser beams ( small energy guns :: particle stream or modulated if you can ) 1 Named Medium Smart bomb 1 rocket /w defenders 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 Large/Medium TEch 2 Shield booster 1 Large Shield Extender 3 PDUs 1 Tech 2 Dmod Enjoy good firepower and tanking but dont i need to be really fast also ? Speed > Firepower > Tanking No you don't. Frigates need to get close so they will come to you. The web is to slow them down. Once webed the guns will shred them to peices. And don't bother with small hybrids because they need ammo and have to reload which cuts into your damage over time substancially. With multiple targets web one and scramble the other... you will cut thru the first like butter and then web the other one when you can. The lasers will work better that is garrenteed. If by chance they are using 280mm howlizers, if the proj ever get fixed, the beams also can be given radio s for range to shred them. -----
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:21:00 - [14] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Kaylona Tso Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 15/08/2004 07:49:47 4 medium named laser beams ( small energy guns :: particle stream or modulated if you can ) 1 Named Medium Smart bomb 1 rocket /w defenders 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 Large/Medium TEch 2 Shield booster 1 Large Shield Extender 3 PDUs 1 Tech 2 Dmod Enjoy good firepower and tanking but dont i need to be really fast also ? Speed > Firepower > Tanking No you don't. Frigates need to get close so they will come to you. The web is to slow them down. Once webed the guns will shred them to peices. And don't bother with small hybrids because they need ammo and have to reload which cuts into your damage over time substancially. With multiple targets web one and scramble the other... you will cut thru the first like butter and then web the other one when you can. The lasers will work better that is garrenteed. If by chance they are using 280mm howlizers, if the proj ever get fixed, the beams also can be given radio s for range to shred them. -----
InnerDrive	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:36:00 - [15] Originally by: DJTheBaron see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you training agility probable a good id than. as for the guns.. you guys are making it hard on me , now your saying lasers?? and some people say hybrids and some people say blasters... and as for the launchers.. some say that heavys + web are also great.
InnerDrive	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:36:00 - [16] Originally by: DJTheBaron see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you training agility probable a good id than. as for the guns.. you guys are making it hard on me , now your saying lasers?? and some people say hybrids and some people say blasters... and as for the launchers.. some say that heavys + web are also great.
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:54:00 - [17] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: DJTheBaron see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you training agility probable a good id than. as for the guns.. you guys are making it hard on me , now your saying lasers?? and some people say hybrids and some people say blasters... and as for the launchers.. some say that heavys + web are also great. I only say medium sized blasters if your wanting to PVP against blackbirds, caracals or Battleships where they are gonna output high damage or try to jam you. For anything else on a cruiser, you would be a fool to not use small named laser beams. You can hit from 1km to 32km depending on your ammo and at the high RoF with awesome damage you shred ships. All the while never reloading sacrificing damage. You see... DoT is the key to using any other gun over medium blasters on a Thorax or MOA. You have to be able to justify loosing your damage bonus or Range Bonus. Medium Blasters miss too much to be used on frigates, while small sized medium laser beams will hit almost every time. I personally get an average 60hp x 4 every 2.3 seconds and rarely miss with Multi S. Do the math. My perfect hits are over 100hp. If the prey, PC or NPC, is tanking EM... you still have smart bomb or launcher ( whichever one you choose ). NPC i would choose launcher and PC I would choose SB. -----
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:54:00 - [18] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: DJTheBaron see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you training agility probable a good id than. as for the guns.. you guys are making it hard on me , now your saying lasers?? and some people say hybrids and some people say blasters... and as for the launchers.. some say that heavys + web are also great. I only say medium sized blasters if your wanting to PVP against blackbirds, caracals or Battleships where they are gonna output high damage or try to jam you. For anything else on a cruiser, you would be a fool to not use small named laser beams. You can hit from 1km to 32km depending on your ammo and at the high RoF with awesome damage you shred ships. All the while never reloading sacrificing damage. You see... DoT is the key to using any other gun over medium blasters on a Thorax or MOA. You have to be able to justify loosing your damage bonus or Range Bonus. Medium Blasters miss too much to be used on frigates, while small sized medium laser beams will hit almost every time. I personally get an average 60hp x 4 every 2.3 seconds and rarely miss with Multi S. Do the math. My perfect hits are over 100hp. If the prey, PC or NPC, is tanking EM... you still have smart bomb or launcher ( whichever one you choose ). NPC i would choose launcher and PC I would choose SB. -----
Damajink	Posted - 2004.08.15 21:09:00 - [19] If you want to use beams then use a Maller
Damajink	Posted - 2004.08.15 21:09:00 - [20] If you want to use beams then use a Maller
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.08.16 00:28:00 - [21] I guess the real question, why are you hunting frigates exclusively? With a Moa and proper skills you can very easily solo L3 kill missions (with their frigate escorts) -But- I would suggest running 4 named small rails (ammo depending on range) and 2 heavy launchers in High, A Shield Booster, race-specific shield hardener, Tracking computer and a named Cap recharger in Medium, PDU's and a Hybrid damage mod to make it all fit. www.hadean.org
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.08.16 00:28:00 - [22] I guess the real question, why are you hunting frigates exclusively? With a Moa and proper skills you can very easily solo L3 kill missions (with their frigate escorts) -But- I would suggest running 4 named small rails (ammo depending on range) and 2 heavy launchers in High, A Shield Booster, race-specific shield hardener, Tracking computer and a named Cap recharger in Medium, PDU's and a Hybrid damage mod to make it all fit. www.hadean.org
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.08.16 00:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Zoneh high: 4x small neutron blasters (prototype preferably:P) 2x assult w\ defenders meds: seems fine low: fine also:) hmm... always thought that they were called modal newtrons, not prototype neutrons ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.08.16 00:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Zoneh high: 4x small neutron blasters (prototype preferably:P) 2x assult w\ defenders meds: seems fine low: fine also:) hmm... always thought that they were called modal newtrons, not prototype neutrons ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.16 00:46:00 - [25] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: DJTheBaron see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you training agility probable a good id than. i have evasive 5 and nav 5, the moa is still a slug post patch __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.16 00:46:00 - [26] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: DJTheBaron see your latest patch notes, given the new mass and new speed boosting top speed, it'll take a while for you to acelerate and longer to turn after your frigate foe unless theyre dumb enough to run towards you training agility probable a good id than. i have evasive 5 and nav 5, the moa is still a slug post patch __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Morikai Acler	Posted - 2004.08.16 01:15:00 - [27] Something I was playing around with for anti frig the other day on the Moa. hi 4x Dual 150mm Compressed Coil 2x Assault launcher (may try med smartbombs) mid 1x large shield booster II 1x Sensor Booster 1x Webi 1x 20k warp lo RCU Tracking Mod Dmg Mod Can't remember what the rest was, not sure the mids either.. But it's a fairly easy setup on the PG, might need a bit of help with cpu though.
Morikai Acler	Posted - 2004.08.16 01:15:00 - [28] Something I was playing around with for anti frig the other day on the Moa. hi 4x Dual 150mm Compressed Coil 2x Assault launcher (may try med smartbombs) mid 1x large shield booster II 1x Sensor Booster 1x Webi 1x 20k warp lo RCU Tracking Mod Dmg Mod Can't remember what the rest was, not sure the mids either.. But it's a fairly easy setup on the PG, might need a bit of help with cpu though.
Bleakheart	Posted - 2004.08.16 01:56:00 - [29] Uhm, speed boost? When'd the Moa get that? Mine's been topping out at 192 m/s ever since Nav 5, over a month ago... Almost two, as a matter of fact. As for guns vs. frigs, just don't let the little bastards close with you and use 4 Proto Gauss 250's! :D That's only if you're doing missions though, still haven't gotten to PVP after all this time, so I don't know how they'd do there.
Bleakheart	Posted - 2004.08.16 01:56:00 - [30] Uhm, speed boost? When'd the Moa get that? Mine's been topping out at 192 m/s ever since Nav 5, over a month ago... Almost two, as a matter of fact. As for guns vs. frigs, just don't let the little bastards close with you and use 4 Proto Gauss 250's! :D That's only if you're doing missions though, still haven't gotten to PVP after all this time, so I don't know how they'd do there.

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