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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Samuel Rockslayer
Did you login and try it out the test server?
The more people who login a submit bug reports the more this stuff gets fixed before release. I spent more time on sisi over the last 2 weeks than on TQ.
No, because CCP didn't have a working SiSi client (for Mac) until three days before the patch was deployed on TQ… I managed to find and report one bug, but that was all there was time for.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Rehtom Lamina
Gladiators of Rage
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:47:00 -
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I downloaded the whole client, remotly (from work) on my home pc, got awesome speeds and had it installed and ready for servers to go up.
servers went up and it added the little additional patch ontop, logged in (still via remote desktop) and ensured i was still training skills correctly. decided to make a small skill que on both my chars. logged off of remote desktop and finished my work day.
Got home, was still logged in, didnt log off in a trade hub, i figured this would be common sence tbh.
Played with my cov ops on both my chars, no issues. have not lost any skill training time on either char, online or offline. Game runs very well both on my laptop and on my pc with 2 clients running, i am not running top spec machines either.
I would understand people complaining if they charged for these big expansions (no, your sub dosnt count, you would still pay the sub if there were no expansions), but they dont and all they get in return is aload of kids complaining and a small few who appreciate the time taken on the expansion. I have never seen another game with this level of dedication and support from its developers.
CCP owe you nothing, stop complaining and do your homework! :P
I am gratful to CCP for this newest expansion even if i dont get huge ammounts of time to play like i used to.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:52:00 -
[33]
Nice sentiment Rehtom but I would imagine the bulk of all these whine threads have been queued up in notepad for days or weeks to all be poasted on release day and the days after. We have a few people here at the eve-o forums who take thier trolling to superhuman levels. 
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Shopping FTW
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:52:00 -
[34]
In response to the OP:
Welcome to a Major Eve Patch. Be glad you can log in to change skills.
When they tell you "set a long skill", it is NOT just because of the long 'planned' down time, it is because bugs after the patch might mean it could be a week before you can get into game.
As has been said again and again and again and again........by almost all veterans, EXPECT the days and even WEEKS following a major patch to have some bug/playability 'issues'
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:53:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
It's a software upgrade. Ever seen a software upgrade that didn't have problems?
Yes.
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CCP has had this thing on SiSi for quite some time. Players have tested and bug reported during the whole process. CCP made quite a few changes based on those testers comments.
As they SHOULD have.
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What more can you ask for?
Delay the expansion until it's MAJOR bug free, and feature-complete ?
Of course you can't fix all minor bugs in time, but then again CCP has a knack for "we fixed it so it's barely workable now, let's leave it alone, now what other shiny crap can we come up with ?"
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Rehtom Lamina
Gladiators of Rage
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:54:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Zeba
Nice sentiment Rehtom but I would imagine the bulk of all these whine threads have been queued up in notepad for days or weeks to all be poasted on release day and the days after. We have a few people here at the eve-o forums who take thier trolling to superhuman levels.
lol I see what you mean, I guess if there were no issues to be exagerated or taken out of proportion most people would have to post constructive threads... god forbid.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Third, there was nearly no "balancing" for T3 ships.
Why would that be a problem? It's going to be weeks before you'll see them on market.
Sure, a handful of people might get them earlier, yet that is no reason for them to be well balanced immediately.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.12 10:03:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Akita T on 12/03/2009 10:07:35
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Why would that be a problem? It's going to be weeks before you'll see them on market.
Sure, a handful of people might get them earlier, yet that is no reason for them to be well balanced immediately.
/facepalm
Ok... let me rephrase that...
Do you honestly believe ANY of the T3 stats will change this year ?
I can almost bet there will be absolutely no changes whatsoever.
And those last 2 promised subsystems variants out of the 5 planned ?
MAYBE we'll get them this year, but I kind of doubt that.
Also, one year from now, do you honestly think they will rebalance them properly ?
And what exactly do you think the reaction of people owning 2+ bil ships that suddendly become crap will be ?
Because they won't boost stuff that's prenerfed (see Black Ops) or heavily underpowered (see Stealth Bombers), instead they nerf them even further.
So, no, they SHOULD have balanced them properly BEFORE introducing them.
Because now, nobody will ever balance them properly any time soon.
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Confuzer I
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Posted - 2009.03.12 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Confuzer I on 12/03/2009 10:45:08
I also produce software, and I have the same feeling: this update was rushed.
Although you can never find ALL bugs, some bug should've been found on the test server.
For many of them though, realise it's because of desync, which is harder to test on the testserver.
Next time maybe, ask everyone to try the testserver first :)... I am willing to install it to help ccp find bugs, if it helps getting a smoother patch.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.12 10:58:00 -
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When CCP was doing their own thing the whole niche idea and the "if you don't like it gtfo" 'bought' them credit with the loyal players who went "yeah well, they make mistakes but that's part of the reason why we love them".
Now they want to be with the big guys, have the big money, choose the more mainstream gameplay, focus on bringing in more new players rather than retaining older ones and have a big publisher. They will be expected to act as a big, wealthy mainstraim developer like (oh, I dunno) Blizzard, they will be expected to run stuff more flawless. No more friendly "oops, we deleted boot.ini" ****.
You want to be mainstream? Then get ready to be called on your, still, niche/amateuristic approach to things.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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CanIHave YourStuff
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:10:00 -
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Its a patch for an online game. It's still more or less playable, just don't be running missions or doing something too risky in something you dont want to lose.
Take patch week as an opportunity to check out some other elements of the game and quit whining.
Also, please find my char name in game and gief stuff.
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ServantOfMask
Minmatar
The New Order.
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:31:00 -
[42]
I wish to echo the previous posters sentiments with the least amount of asshattery...
Stuff  Contract it Go on to a new Game (preferably an offline game) with my heartfelt thanks for your Stuff.
PS: with Stuff I mean ALL eve-ly possessions you may have, up to and including your obviously unused ccp-issued stash of PATIENCE!
Thank You in advance for all the Trolling and/or Stuff
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meat vapour
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:37:00 -
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everytime i read a post from Akita T, i just want to cut myself |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:47:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Confuzer I
Although you can never find ALL bugs, some bug should've been found on the test server.
The problem is that many of the bugs were found on the test server, but they didn't have time to fix them before the whole thing went live.
Apocrypha came rather late to SiSi, even on the Windows side (as mentioned, it got a whole 3 days worth of testing on the Mac side), and while it might have been enough to find the bugs, it wasn't enough to find them and fix them.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Drykor
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:58:00 -
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To all the people who are echo'ing the lines 'yeah this is normal, it's mmo patch day, this stuff happens with big software releases'.
NO it's NOT! Major bugs in a release like this with paying customers are NOT normal and are in fact ridiculous to expect from a large IT company these days.
It's ****ing me off badly that they have so little respect for us that they expect us to alpha-test their product not only on the test servers but on the main server as well.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:03:00 -
[46]
Originally by: meat vapour
everytime i read a post from Akita T, i just want to cut myself
Don't let me stop you 
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:08:00 -
[47]
Some things just don't show up on SiSi, and no amount of testing makes them come to light.
Get a clue about game development.
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Mistress Aranata
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:19:00 -
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My corp were warned to prepare long skills for training, not expect eve to be up and running properly for a few days etc. So far we haven't had any problems whatsoever. Early days yet, but it's a lot better than some eve patchdays i've seen.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:28:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Grez
Some things just don't show up on SiSi, and no amount of testing makes them come to light.
And what about the things that did come to light, but weren't addressed?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Cosmar
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:28:00 -
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You're talking about the guys that made computers unbootable with a previous patch. This last one didn't seem that bad to me 
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:38:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Grez
Some things just don't show up on SiSi, and no amount of testing makes them come to light.
And what about the things that did come to light, but weren't addressed (eg. the catastrophically bugged skill queue)?
What about the things that could have been tested, but werent (eg. T3 balancing)?
What about the things that should have been tested, but werent (eg. the Mac client)?
1) The skill queue worked fine on SiSi.
2) T3 balancing was done. Hell, EVERYONE had max skills on the damn things when they logged in before the fleet test mirror.
3) Not enough players reported bugs under the Mac client.
Bugs only get noticed when people bug report them - otherwise they go ignored by the people who need to see them (they cannot spend the entire day watching SiSi FD-M chat, or the forums).
Again, people need to get a clue and actually participate in SiSi tests :D
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
1) The skill queue worked fine on SiSi.
Yes, and it works fine on TQ… for some. The queue bugs people are complaining about were observed and reported on SiSi.
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2) T3 balancing was done. Hell, EVERYONE had max skills on the damn things when they logged in before the fleet test mirror.
No, they were not. At no point did they do a call for "here, take all the parts for all the ships and build every conceivable setup you can think of and go at it."
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3) Not enough players reported bugs under the Mac client.
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MAC CLIENT TO BUGREPORT FROM!
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Again, people need to get a clue and actually participate in SiSi tests :D
They did (well, those who had a working client to use). It had no effect.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 12/03/2009 12:54:35
Originally by: Tippia
Yes, and it works fine on TQà for some. The queue bugs people are complaining about were observed and reported on SiSi.
No, they were not. At no point did they do a call for "here, take all the parts for all the ships and build every conceivable setup you can think of and go at it."
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MAC CLIENT TO BUGREPORT FROM!
They did (well, those who had a working client to use). It had no effect.
I'm sorry, but I spent over a month on SiSi testing before Apoc even arrived, and you have shown an absolute ignorance towards any testing that has gone on. You have obviously not been on SiSi.
If there was a bug report made on SiSi for the skill queue, then it has either not been filtered yet, or no-one made one. Posting it on the forums, or saying it in-game, does not count as a bug report. The people who need to see it, do not get to see it.
This, this is the part which shows your absolute ignorance. EVERYONE who logged into SiSi for a couple of weeks had level 4 trained in all subsystems which got reimbursed when you relogged and if you lost them. Every market item was seeded at 100.00 isk. We had people flying in all sorts testing all fittings - there is a thread relating to the bonuses and testing of the ships. It went on, just because you didn't test SiSi when it was going on, does not mean it didn't.
And there was a MAC client. You just had to download Mac Premium and patch it via the thread they created for it. Where on earth do you think the new premium Mac client came from?
Before you open your mouth and state something else that is god-awfully untrue, I suggest you actually get first-hand experience before stating something.
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Lady Killjoy
Gallente
The Social Club
The Sovereign Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:19:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Cors
The thing is guys, and the vets will attest to this, the week or three after a major content addition is ALWAYS bug ridden.
during that time you mission at your own risk. You Rat at your own risk. You PVP at your own risk. You Mine at your own risk. You explore at your own risk.
Then they get the new bugs worked out, things smooth out, and things are back to normal for 4-8 months.
Get used to this. It happens with every MMO that does major content additions.
Just chill, do what you can. If you can't get in game, go rent a movie, take the wife to a show, take the gf out to diner... whatever.
Chill. Relax. Log in, change your skills, log out. YOu were TOLD many many many many MANY times to set a long skill. that means a 20+ Day skill. If you did this, you're good for half the month. It may SUCK, but that's life. Yes you pay for the game, yes you are entitled to service, but you DID agree to not count hardware/software upgrade bugs against that.
Relax, and wait for it to smooth out.
QFT
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Thunderbolts
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:25:00 -
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You're going to hate me Tedivm... but...
Have you tried clearing your cache? It's not a joke; I fixed a lot of weird issues post-patch.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente
legion of qui
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:33:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Billybob Braggins
Originally by: tedivm
Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: tedivm
Uhh, wrong. I've been gaming for awhile now, and I'm familiar with how things should work. When Tranquility came out I had no where near the amount of issues I've had with this one.
Tranquility never 'came out'... it's been the live server forever. What you just said doesn't make any sense at all.
I meant Trinity, not Tranquility, my apologies for the misunderstanding. My point was that those previous expansions (Trinity, Quantum Rise) didn't have nearly as much of a rushed feel about them as this did.
boot.ini
QFT!
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:44:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 12/03/2009 13:47:06
Originally by: Johnathan Walker
You're going to hate me Tedivm... but...
Have you tried clearing your cache? It's not a joke; I fixed a lot of weird issues post-patch.
It always does. 
I've been in contact directly, via forums or TS, with several hundred people (conservatively speaking) since the patch was released. The patch has, pretty much unanimously, performed perfectly. This includes the patching process, the Skill Que, and the new scanning system.
Of course we are going to hear from the small group of people who do have problems, this is inevitable and they have every right to ask for help or point out problems... but ranting that the patch is virtually unplayable for everyone is gross exaggeration brought about by frustration.
About the only problems that are universal are the issues with system load forcing some systems to have population caps. This in turn causes problems for people trying to log on in those systems, making them think their client is bugged. Every patch I have seen released since EVE began (and CCP developed the tools to cap the amount of people allowed in a particular system) has had similar issues for a short time after patch release. Not ideal, but understandable when the full weight of 50K people hits the new code for the first time.
So relax, try to be helpful to people having issues. Some people have legitimate issues, others a lack of understanding on how to use new elements to the game. Just assure them that its not unusual and that it will just take a little time to get things sorted properly.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:45:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 12/03/2009 13:46:13
Drat, double post
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:45:00 -
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probing system needs some moderate work
wormhole rats need scaling down
otherwise all good
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:03:00 -
[60]
Originally by: ollobrains2
probing system needs some moderate work
wormhole rats need scaling down
otherwise all good
Would you please stop posting a minimal amount of detail in threads? There is nothing wrong with sleepers, so long as the sleepers i fought on sisi during TQ's downtime are the ones that made it onto Tq.
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