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Smokeyblood	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:29:00 - [1] Which is it? i am assuming electron thorax with ecm drones.
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:32:00 - [2] best at what? -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:41:00 - [3] I love my Thorax in solo PVP.
Smokeyblood	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Iria Ahrens best at what? PvP...
Okal Eldar	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:59:00 - [5] probably near the top with the arby, rupture is really strong too, lots of cruisers could be considered best.
Ambrosious Martin Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:00:00 - [6] Rupture hands down!
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:04:00 - [7] There are no best ships, only best pilots. There are, however, worst ships. And also, there are many different forms of PvP, which swings the scale of value for different ships. -- Don't harsh my mellow
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:45:00 - [8] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 12/03/2009 22:46:34 Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 12/03/2009 22:45:27 Pvp? Do you mean solo pvp or fleet? Solo I've found that ships all end up fitting some kind of niche. It really depends on what you want out of your ship. DPS, utility, etc. And Vs what types of opponents. Some ships do better vs missiles or turrets, others do poorly against drones. I like the Arby best personally, I'm not saying it IS the best, only that I like it the best. Vexor is my second favorite. Depending on whether I'm in an Ewar or DPS mood. Usually it's Ewar and the TD bonus is great for fighting turret ships. In fleets I can fit two or three TDs to really hurt one primary if everyone is close or vs 3 if they are distant. There is a minni ship that seems pretty good at hit-and-run. Exeqeror is my second favorite, fit some remote reppers on it and it's a great support cruiser. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Ig Neus	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:45:00 - [9] A Thorax with 1600mm Plate, a full set of Medium Electrons II and 5 medium ECM Drones is the king of solo. The effect of 5 tech 2 medium ECMs on a normal Tech 1 Cruiser means that you will not even need your tank in most cases. However, since solo Cruiser PvP is a relatively rare thing and it is hard to name a Cruiser best overall, here is a small list (order is just my preference) 1) Vexor (this is my personal favorite for gangs, provided you can use Ogres II) 2) Thorax (best solo with ECM Drones, great Tank + Damage for gang with HH II) 3) Rupture (If your skills do not let you fly a Thorax this is the closest thing, but smaller Drone Bay and less damage at close range) 4) Arbitrator (Amarr's version of Vexor, cannot use Heavy Drones but still a nice ship) 5) Blackbird (Poor or young man's Falcon)
Yashiri	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:55:00 - [10] Thorax.
Tara Wilde	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:20:00 - [11] I like the Omen. It can mine quite a bit, and is the cheapest cruiser sized vessel of them all.
Ambrosious Martin Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Ig Neus A Thorax with 1600mm Plate, a full set of Medium Electrons II and 5 medium ECM Drones is the king of solo. The effect of 5 tech 2 medium ECMs on a normal Tech 1 Cruiser means that you will not even need your tank in most cases. However, since solo Cruiser PvP is a relatively rare thing and it is hard to name a Cruiser best overall, here is a small list (order is just my preference) 1) Vexor (this is my personal favorite for gangs, provided you can use Ogres II) 2) Thorax (best solo with ECM Drones, great Tank + Damage for gang with HH II) 3) Rupture (If your skills do not let you fly a Thorax this is the closest thing, but smaller Drone Bay and less damage at close range) 4) Arbitrator (Amarr's version of Vexor, cannot use Heavy Drones but still a nice ship) 5) Blackbird (Poor or young man's Falcon) Post with your main, so we know what idiot is behind the picture. You cant fit a thorax with 1600plate and MED blasters without using a fitting mod, and if your putting a ACR on a T1 cruiser your really dumb. If your sacrificing the lowslot for it your stupid but understood. WTB T2 ECM drones!!! Last I checked, which was just before new expansion, there was no T2 ewar drones. Now lets get all technical, your thorax is slower than the rupture. With a scram and web, youll still not be able to keep up. And Oh yeah you'll cap out real fast! The rupture easily outpaces the thorax, puts down more DPS at better range. And has 2 utility highs for all those good things to reek havoc on your opposition, such as NOS and NUETS, smartbombs, missles, tractor and salvager, what ever you feel nessacary. For the one who says that theres no bast cruiser just best pilots, your right! Thats why all the best pilots say the Rupture is just pure evil in the cruiser world. How many other T1 cruisers have a chance to beat a T2 HAC?
Tara Wilde	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Ambrosious Martin Originally by: Ig Neus Post with your main, so we know what idiot is behind the picture. You cant fit a thorax with 1600plate and MED blasters without using a fitting mod, and if your putting a ACR on a T1 cruiser your really dumb. If your sacrificing the lowslot for it your stupid but understood. WTB T2 ECM drones!!! Last I checked, which was just before new expansion, there was no T2 ewar drones. Now lets get all technical, your thorax is slower than the rupture. With a scram and web, youll still not be able to keep up. And Oh yeah you'll cap out real fast! The rupture easily outpaces the thorax, puts down more DPS at better range. And has 2 utility highs for all those good things to reek havoc on your opposition, such as NOS and NUETS, smartbombs, missles, tractor and salvager, what ever you feel nessacary. For the one who says that theres no bast cruiser just best pilots, your right! Thats why all the best pilots say the Rupture is just pure evil in the cruiser world. How many other T1 cruisers have a chance to beat a T2 HAC? LOL sweetie, I think you are the idiot. An Omen will win against a Rupture every time. I have mined a lot in belts in low security systems (0.5 or 0.6), and I have not been attacked by people pirates ever. Including your fabled Ruptures. You realize why this is? I will let you figure it out
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:43:00 - [14] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 12/03/2009 23:44:08 Originally by: Ambrosious Martin For the one who says that theres no bast cruiser just best pilots, your right! Thats why all the best pilots say the Rupture is just pure evil in the cruiser world. How many other T1 cruisers have a chance to beat a T2 HAC? Honestly? A Thorax with ECM drones is the only one with a chance, and even then you'll need some jamming luck and a good warp in to keep them from just kiting you all day. Anything without ECM drones is just going to be massacred by a non-comedy HAC pilot. As for the OP's question? Stabber or Blackbird. All of the rest are made completely redundant by their battlecruiser counterparts. Originally by: Tara Wilde An Omen will win against a Rupture every time. I have mined a lot in belts in low security systems (0.5 or 0.6), and I have not been attacked by people pirates ever. Including your fabled Ruptures. You realize why this is? I will let you figure it out 1/10 for trolling. It might have been a decent effort if you hadn't included the part about .5/.6 being "low security", but that bit of painful stupidity just ruins the whole thing. -----------
Psiri	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Psiri on 13/03/2009 00:10:17 Cruisers can be effective but some fits come dangarously close to being too expensive for what they do. If you're going to spend 20 mil on modules and drones alone, why not fit a BC or AF instead? ' That's not however to say that a cruiser can't be fitted cheaply, I find that ECM drones and named midslot modules help alot with this. Some of my personal favourites, 1) Vexor - whilst drones are expensive it's still deadly with neuts 2) Stabber - >4s align time, one of the best lowsec cruisers for flashies 3) Thorax - cool and oldschool, good cheapfit 4) Caracal - fit assault lauchers and reap in kills, why bother with HML/HAM's?
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:05:00 - [16] Fleet Issue Stabber As for vanilla T1 cruisers, Thorax, Rupture, Arbitrator and Blackbird are strong PvP ships from every race. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Ig Neus	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:10:00 - [17] Edited by: Ig Neus on 13/03/2009 00:12:34 Originally by: Ambrosious Martin Post with your main, so we know what idiot is behind the picture. You cant fit a thorax with 1600plate and MED blasters without using a fitting mod, and if your putting a ACR on a T1 cruiser your really dumb. If your sacrificing the lowslot for it your stupid but understood. WTB T2 ECM drones!!! Last I checked, which was just before new expansion, there was no T2 ewar drones. Now lets get all technical, your thorax is slower than the rupture. With a scram and web, youll still not be able to keep up. And Oh yeah you'll cap out real fast! The rupture easily outpaces the thorax, puts down more DPS at better range. And has 2 utility highs for all those good things to reek havoc on your opposition, such as NOS and NUETS, smartbombs, missles, tractor and salvager, what ever you feel nessacary. For the one who says that theres no bast cruiser just best pilots, your right! Thats why all the best pilots say the Rupture is just pure evil in the cruiser world. How many other T1 cruisers have a chance to beat a T2 HAC? A) Generally pointing an obvious typing mistake followed up with "smart" comments means you should be in bed sleeping for school tomorrow. B) I am sacrificing the Low Slot for it. My Thorax still gets 30.5k EHP and 265 Turret DPS without it, I can spare it for being able to fit such a tank + bonused guns. Not that fitting any rig on any ship is as big a deal as you make it seem. It may be more expensive than the rest of the ship, but I am not flying a Cruiser solo because that's the only thing I can afford, I do so because I like it. You are welcome to try to find a Thorax setup with that much Tank and Damage. Best I can come up with is the 1600mm Thorax with MAR II, small neutrons and a Medium Nos, that deal 120 DPS less than my version but is able to tank 106 as long as cap holds (which will be a short time if you have to run your MWD). However there is a reason Buffer Tanks are preferred to active ones. C) For the let's get technical part, a Plated Rupture is indeed faster than a Plated Thorax and can theoritically do more damage using Hail M (+Assault Missile Launchers for last 2 slots). However Thorax is more cap stable while running the MWD (even without Hail) and has 20m3 bigger Drone Bay. D) If Thorax gets into close range, chances are it will win, simply because 5 medium ECM drones play a much bigger role than anything a Rupture can put in its Drone bay. So when they get a Jam, Thorax is no longer webed, it closes range and opens some holes to your rupture. The word chances is here because ECM is chance based. E) I know the theory crafting can go on and on but I am not really interested. Fly whatever you like. Rupture is a nice ship and is comparable with Thorax for gangs (even if its DPS is lacking because of Drone bay differences and awful tracking with Hail). I wish you the best of luck if a Thorax with this setup warps next to you in a low sec belt however, you will really need it. I would bet some isk on your Rupture not managing to get it to half Armor. Edit : By the way, the fact that idiots manage to lose HACs to a Rupture or to a Taranis or to an Ishkur (have seen kill mails from those 2 myself) only proves that they are idiots.
Kingwood Amarr Defile.	Posted - 2009.03.13 01:17:00 - [18] Edited by: Kingwood on 13/03/2009 01:18:03 dblpoast
Kingwood Amarr Defile.	Posted - 2009.03.13 01:18:00 - [19] Rupture is awesome, but it can't kill HACs unless the HAC pilots really screw up. If you're referring to Garmon and his extensive use of the Ruppie - keep in mind he used HG Slaves. That's what might distort your view of it. My personal preference is Rupture > Thorax though.
Bloody Puppy Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.03.13 01:44:00 - [20] m8 there are no best ships.... but you can be the best pilot in the duel except the bellicose... ♫♪♪♫♫♪♫♪♪♫♪♪ (SAD CELLO SONG) ♫♪♪♫♫♪♫♪♪♫♪♪ cute rusty ship, noone wants you ------------------------------------------------- The puppy -- yarr WHY EVERYONE LOVES ME BUT NOONE UNDERSTAND ME? Albert Heinstein
Ambrosious Martin Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.13 01:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 12/03/2009 23:44:08 Originally by: Ambrosious Martin For the one who says that theres no bast cruiser just best pilots, your right! Thats why all the best pilots say the Rupture is just pure evil in the cruiser world. How many other T1 cruisers have a chance to beat a T2 HAC? Honestly? A Thorax with ECM drones is the only one with a chance, and even then you'll need some jamming luck and a good warp in to keep them from just kiting you all day. Anything without ECM drones is just going to be massacred by a non-comedy HAC pilot. As for the OP's question? Stabber or Blackbird. All of the rest are made completely redundant by their battlecruiser counterparts. Originally by: Tara Wilde An Omen will win against a Rupture every time. I have mined a lot in belts in low security systems (0.5 or 0.6), and I have not been attacked by people pirates ever. Including your fabled Ruptures. You realize why this is? I will let you figure it out 1/10 for trolling. It might have been a decent effort if you hadn't included the part about .5/.6 being "low security", but that bit of painful stupidity just ruins the whole thing. Merin I still think you are an absolute RE-TARD! A thorax will spend more time trying to MWD into range than it will applying damage. Oh and just to confirm, the pilots name is Gauss Belloid he used to fly with ALTZ( thats the corp ticker) and he killed numerous vagas with ruppie. You can ask RA, Stain Empire, -A-, Xenobytes... they have all receivd killmails in this fashion.
Ambrosious Martin Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.13 01:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Kingwood Rupture is awesome, but it can't kill HACs unless the HAC pilots really screw up. If you're referring to Garmon and his extensive use of the Ruppie - keep in mind he used HG Slaves. That's what might distort your view of it. My personal preference is Rupture > Thorax though. Yes I have flown with Garmon and his dangerous Ruppy o' Doom. No thats not who I was referring to, I was referring to the pilot I mention in the above post.
UMEE Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.03.13 02:20:00 - [23] dont wanna argue with people about this, but i will state my opinion. vexor is the best t1 pvp cruiser-sized boat.
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.03.13 02:31:00 - [24] that's the beauty of EVE; there is no best, it's all situational. sure, some cruisers can be considered to be better than others but choose a role and what you want to accomplish and pick a ship after that criteria.. ________________________________________ "I robbed a goon and I liked it" - Suas
Aurora IV	Posted - 2009.03.13 02:32:00 - [25] Depends on what you want. Sniper: Rupture Raw DPS: Thorax / Vexor / Rupture Utility: Blackbird Solo: Vexor / Rupture This is how they rank IMO. Rupture is a beast, and so is the Vexor /w T2 drones. I use the Rupture in just about every situation. Load up the barrage and you have like 15km falloff, or load up the hail and do like 600+ dps. As mentioned above if you can afford upgrading to a battlecruiser, then do so. The Hurricane, Harbinger, and Mymidon are far better in nearly every situation. Outside of the Blackbird, battlecruisers are where its at. As for the Stabber, it works nice as a solo boat since you should be able to stay at range, but your dps is horrid. Better off just busing in there with a Rupture and hoping for the best.
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.03.13 02:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Aurora IV Depends on what you want. Sniper: Rupture Raw DPS: Thorax / Vexor / Rupture Utility: Blackbird Solo: Vexor / Rupture This is how they rank IMO. Rupture is a beast, and so is the Vexor /w T2 drones. I use the Rupture in just about every situation. Load up the barrage and you have like 15km falloff, or load up the hail and do like 600+ dps. As mentioned above if you can afford upgrading to a battlecruiser, then do so. The Hurricane, Harbinger, and Mymidon are far better in nearly every situation. Outside of the Blackbird, battlecruisers are where its at. As for the Stabber, it works nice as a solo boat since you should be able to stay at range, but your dps is horrid. Better off just busing in there with a Rupture and hoping for the best. I hope you're not implying that the rupture isn't great for solo work because imo it's the best cruiser when running solo ________________________________________ "I robbed a goon and I liked it" - Suas
Aurora IV	Posted - 2009.03.13 02:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Aurora IV on 13/03/2009 02:38:48 Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Aurora IV Depends on what you want. Sniper: Rupture Raw DPS: Thorax / Vexor / Rupture Utility: Blackbird Solo: Vexor / Rupture This is how they rank IMO. Rupture is a beast, and so is the Vexor /w T2 drones. I use the Rupture in just about every situation. Load up the barrage and you have like 15km falloff, or load up the hail and do like 600+ dps. As mentioned above if you can afford upgrading to a battlecruiser, then do so. The Hurricane, Harbinger, and Mymidon are far better in nearly every situation. Outside of the Blackbird, battlecruisers are where its at. As for the Stabber, it works nice as a solo boat since you should be able to stay at range, but your dps is horrid. Better off just busing in there with a Rupture and hoping for the best. I hope you're not implying that the rupture isn't great for solo work because imo it's the best cruiser when running solo Lol I have it listed as second to the Vexor, I mean seriously what more do you want from me?
Ambrosious Martin Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.13 02:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Aurora IV I mean seriously what more do you want from me? Just to admit that the Rupture is the BEST!!!!
Mahke Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.13 09:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Mahke on 13/03/2009 09:13:26 General note on t1 cruisers: If you're flying a t1 cruiser hull you should be fitting cheaply (meta items, maybe a t2 mod or two but not full prices ship: fly something bigger or t2 if you're going to spend). If you want to fly an expensive ship, use a better base hull. So you shouldn't be judging T1 cruisers on which has the best T2 fit. Thankfully, the best two cruisers can be fitted pretty cheaply (incidentally if you are using t2 guns then the rupture can easily compete as one of the best). number 1 (gangs only duh) BLACKBIRD: You can shut down hacs and BS not problem. Far and away the best. Problem: you're primary and WILL die, if you're okay with that then their power on the field and annoying people who you ecm is awesome. Also dirt cheap. If you don't like ecm THORAX: vexor is almost as good, but, a thorax with 5x ecm mediums is a sick, sick ship: lots of dps and the drones can easily shut down an enemy cruiser. Also dirt cheap For fun ARBY: almost infitinite fitting possibilities and just really fun to fly. Also pretty darned good.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.13 09:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Ambrosious Martin Merin I still think you are an absolute RE-TARD! A thorax will spend more time trying to MWD into range than it will applying damage. Oh and just to confirm, the pilots name is Gauss Belloid he used to fly with ALTZ( thats the corp ticker) and he killed numerous vagas with ruppie. You can ask RA, Stain Empire, -A-, Xenobytes... they have all receivd killmails in this fashion. Sorry, but you're an idiot. Read my post and try again. The only way a T1 cruiser is going to win against a HAC, short of the HAC pilot screwing up impressively, is to jam it with ECM drones. And guess what that means: 50m3 drone bay, minimum, and the Thorax is the only T1 cruiser that can carry a full set of ECM drones and still have enough dps from guns to actually kill the HAC once it's jammed. Obviously range is a problem, that's why the Thorax is really just the least-bad option, not a good one. It's borderline suicidal no matter how you look at it, but at least the Thorax might get lucky. Originally by: Aurora IV As for the Stabber, it works nice as a solo boat since you should be able to stay at range, but your dps is horrid. Better off just busing in there with a Rupture and hoping for the best. The problem with the Rupture is it's completely redundant if you can fly a Hurricane. The Stabber, on the other hand, at least has a huge speed advantage that the Hurricane can't duplicate. -----------

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