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Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:27:00 - [1] Originally by: Akor Flandres SHUT UP. Perhaps if you would have got off you FAT ARSE and went and looked at the box in GAME you wouldnt have been 'lead to believe' by the voice in your HEAD that you could do something you cannot, given what is clearly printed on the box. Wow, you've just shown how stupid and arrogant you really are! If YOU had taken the time to READ the posts in this thread you would clearly see that it does NOT say ANYWHERE on the box that the InterBus Shuttle is purely for new players. It says it is an "Exclusive" on the box.] It's not until you you open the box and get half way through the manual that is mentions (In extremely small print, no less), that the shuttle is for new players only. I will be petitioning this with CCP.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 11:34:56 Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 11:34:28 Originally by: Akor Flandres WTB ANYTHING that shows CCP advertised the contents of the box for existing players, beyond the fact you can use the GTC inside it. kthnxbai. From your beloved GAME: GAME Official Description Click Product Details: Quote: Special Edition Ship û Players will get an exclusive ship in-game. It is special type of a shuttle that is ideal to move things around due to much increased cargo space. This is the first time CCP has created an exclusive ship, so we believe our current player base will be very interested in this. I have three or four posts on this forum. With people like you on here, what makes you think I want to visit them any more often than I do? It's no wonder I didn't know about CCP's real intentions. PS: Since you WTB, I charge 500m ISK for this information.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Akor Flandres GAME does not a CCP equal. Quote again: Quote: ...so we believe our current player base will be very interested in this. First person speak? Not gonna be GAME writing that. Originally by: Akor Flandres ...at most it implies the ships have value and can be traded. Please back your statement up, that is merely your interpretation.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Akor Flandres The description on the 3rd party retailer website does not say 'This shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts'. Nor does it say it can be used purely by new accounts. In summary: 1. Retail box announces all these Exclusives with no mention that it can only be used by new accounts. 2. Product Description on an admittedly 3rd party retailer website that appears to have been written by CCP (There are other retailers that have the same description, adding credence to my theory), states implicitly that existing players will be very interested in this, implying that they will have access to it too. 3. The only place that CCP stated otherwise was the forums, with posts buried deeply in threads, which not everyone visits. I honestly think that this is enough of a case to take to the Office of Fair Trading...not that I care that much. Oh, and since your reading abilities seem to be lacking, it's Xenoxide, for future reference.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Akor Flandres WTB photograph of BOX where it explicitly says shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts. WTB photograph of box where it says shuttle cannot be claimed by existing accounts.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Akor Flandres So if it says neither, why is your interpretation correct and mine wrong? Hmm? Please quote where I said yours was wrong? I butted in to defend people who you accused of being lazy for not reading things on the box, when the things you told them to read do not exist. However, there is a reason that on every box, poster, advert and packaging item in the UK (And across the world) there is small print. It's to avoid confusion like this. There is also a reason why in the UK there is an Office of Fair Trading. Should anyone care enough, I'm sure they'd be happy to come to ruling decision over this.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 12:14:57 Originally by: Akor Flandres tbfh I am sure they dont give a ** about your imgainary shuttle when the box contains contents every one can use worth the value of the cost. Also, YOU CAN USE THE SHUTTLE ON YOUR EXISTING ACCOUNT. YOU CREATE AN ACCOUNT WITH THE GTC AND THEN YOU CONTRACT THE SHUTTLE TO YOURSELF. THEREFORE ANYONE WHO BUYS THE BOX CAN GET THE SHUTTLE. RIGHT. Technically yes, but this would require additional cost in terms of time and ISK. The box says it is Exclusive to the box, so the logical assumption would be you buy the box, you get the shuttle. So, in short, new players get the shuttle with no additional effort, existing players have to shell out time and ISK. Since we're arguing this fact, doesn't the fact that any player can buy or trade the shuttle mean that it's not Exclusive to the box at all? Originally by:** Akor Flandres Boo Hoo. You lost. Boy, how glad am I the entire world is run by you, and there aren't courts and watchdogs in existence who are much smarter whom we trust to come to fair decisions!
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:25:00 - [8] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 12:26:43 Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 12:25:36 Originally by: Akor Flandres Big Macs are exclusive to McDonalds, does the fact I can buy one and give it to someone outside mean it's not exclusive to McDonalds at all? The ratio is 1:1 though. There are just as many Big Mac's in existence as there are ú1 coins used to purchase said Big Mac's. If everyone who bought the box truly did have access to the shuttle, there would need to be just as many boxes in existence as there would InterBus Shuttles. This wont be true though, as existing players who use the GTC code in the box won't get the shuttle. So there will be less shuttles in existence than boxes. So not everyone who buys the box will have access to the shuttle though, will they?
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Akor Flandres ^By their own choice. It's not through their own choice. If CCP had said when EVE was first released that there would be a box set in the future with a shuttle exclusive to new accounts, then people could have made the choice whether to subscribe then or wait until the box came out. As it stands though, people do have existing accounts, and nowhere did it say that if they bought the box they would not be able to use the shuttle without additional time and ISK to get it through in game trading. As you said however, nowhere did it say that they would. However, a large number of people have interpreted it that way, hence why I think that the OFT would be interested in this case if someone brought it to them. And I don't think they'd lose either. In addition, if your interpretation was how CCP intended it, then by nature the shuttle wouldn't be purely Exclusive to the box.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 12:48:45 Originally by: Destination SkillQueue ...since everyone buying the box can actually get all the content, if they wish to do so. That's my point. It shouldn't be a case of "should they wish to do so". It is being advertised on the box, so it should come in the box. It shouldn't need additional expenditure of time and ISK. That's like buying a ú10 iTunes card, and going to redeem it on iTunes and it saying that it needs an additional ú5 processing fee (Not that it does, this is merely an example). Where did it say that on the card? According to Akor Flandres, it didn't say it didn't need an additional ú5, so it's fine.

Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 13:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 13:24:37 Originally by: Akor Flandres It does NOT explicitly state that all content is accessible by existing accounts. And it doesn't say otherwise either. Not to mention you cut off the rest of his sentence and quoted him out of context.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.15 08:33:00 - [12] Edited by: Xenoxide on 15/03/2009 08:33:11 Originally by: Tractormech It says it in a very tiny * on the back right hand bottom. It is underneath the ESRB logo and further underneath the www.eveonline.com text. Don't think it says that over here in the UK. We don't have the ESBR, we have a different rating system so we have a different box. Can't check at the moment as I'm at work, but will do when I get home.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.15 17:11:00 - [13] Right, I am now home from work, and have checked the back of the box. There is no ESRB logo on the UK box, it is replaced with PEGI ratings info. In addition, I have looked extremely hard, and the text you quoted is NOWHERE to be found on the box, as mentioned by Pottsey.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.15 17:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Kappas. well, ú24.99 is actually cheaper than the $34.99 game time card as of this post. Shopto.net has it for ú16.99, which is where I got my copy.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.15 17:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Akor Flandres THE SHUTTLE IS AVAILABLE TO PLAYERS WITH EXISTING ACCOUNTS. YOU BUY THE BOX AND USE IT FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, YOU CREATE AN ACCOUNT, CLAIM THE SHUTTLE, THEN TRANSFER IT TO YOUR EXISTING CHARACTER. But then you have to waste your 60 days gametime on account that you don't even want.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.19 15:27:00 - [16] Originally by: ry ry but like i said, if you wangle some free crap of CCP i will be at the front of the queue wailing about how distressed i am and how the printed career guide is all i ever played eve for. I don't want free crap. I just want the Interbus Shuttle which the box promised.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.20 07:02:00 - [17] Originally by: ry ry plenty will be turning up for sale in and around the starter areas. since you only wanted the shuttle it seems a good idea to swap the GTC for one. Yeah, because I felt like buying it JUST for the shuttle. I bought it for the GTC AND the shuttle. If I was aware I wasn't getting the shuttle then I would have just bought a GTC online.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.20 16:26:00 - [18] Edited by: Xenoxide on 20/03/2009 16:28:43 Originally by: ry ry the boxed game costs less than a 60day GTC. why are you complaining? No it doesn't. In the UK, the box RRP's at ú29.99. You can get a GTC from Shattered Crystal for around about the ú24 mark taking exchange rates into account. To answer your question though, BECAUSE I WANT THE SHUTTLE. Is this so hard for you to comprehend? The box promised me a shuttle, I want the shuttle. It is one of the reasons I bought the box. I like to have cool things. I consider exclusive things cool, like many other collectors out there. More to the point, what business is it of yours why I want what I was promised?
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.20 21:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Trathen The career guide is indeed exclusive to everyone who has an internet connection. It didn't say "box set exclusive," did it? A clever trick. Technically, the "Advanced Career Guide" is listed under the "Exclusive" section on the front of the box.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.20 22:18:00 - [20] Originally by: ry ry Quote: More to the point, what business is it of yours why I want what I was promised? you post on a public forum, you should probably be prepared to defend your opinion. "none of your business" isn't the most compelling argument. Which I feel I have done, fervently. However, I was promised a shuttle, I therefore want it. What does it matter why I want it or not? It's not an opinion, it's a state of mind. You are of course free to voice your opinion as to whether the shuttle is good value or not, or an excellent ship or not, and I will argue whichever side I come on (In this case I happen to agree that it is merely a cheap reskinning of a Gallente Shuttle, but a pretty one). However that doesn't change how much I want it, nor my state of mind.

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