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XJennieX Minmatar Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2009.03.14 13:22:00 - [1] i think its not playing the game if you get all your ingame money for your alliance with buying GTC for 100k dollars and selling them for isk.. its just not how the games are played. all in all i think it might be best to CCP to monitor this or stop the option of GTC to isk trade..
Pride NL Caldari Eve Defence Force Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.03.14 13:29:00 - [2] EVE is about ISK. If people want to invest real money into EVE then that is WIN for CCP. No One Better
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 13:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 14/03/2009 13:47:21 Originally by: Pride NL EVE is about ISK. If people want to invest real money into EVE then that is WIN for CCP. I thought that too, but someone pointed out to me that the money CCP gets doesn't change much, as the timecards are sold in-game for ISK and then used instead of subscription fees. In other words, the real-life cash used for timecards replaces real-life cash would have been used for subscription fees if the timecards had not been bought. I think we all just have to accept it though. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
SwindonBadger Gallente 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.03.14 14:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Pride NL EVE is about ISK. If people want to invest real money into EVE then that is WIN for CCP. eve is about isk to those who want to become Bankers ^^ eve is about griefing if u like being a wan ..... eve is about bones if u like only corpses eve is about build ques if like makeing torpes so for the bad ryme but its true ^^ One day u will all have a day where u wont be playing, be it boardem, ur own death or u wont take anything that u make with ya,,, better to have spent time making ur own memories. Eat Them all, let the digestion sort em out
Raging Knight Caldari Judgement.	Posted - 2009.03.14 16:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch I thought that too, but someone pointed out to me that the money CCP gets doesn't change much, as the timecards are sold in-game for ISK and then used instead of subscription fees. In other words, the real-life cash used for timecards replaces real-life cash would have been used for subscription fees if the timecards had not been bought. I think we all just have to accept it though. THIS! People don't seem to understand this at all. GTC's are just used on accounts that would otherwise be payed on a subscription with one of the other methods of payment, so doesn't mean any extra cash for CCP, it use to mean less with the 30day cards and exchange rates. The only argument is that there is probably a percentage of people that wouldn't play the game at all if they couldn't pay with in game money, but i think this would be a very small amount in the scale of things.
Thomina Yorke Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:05:00 - [6] Originally by: SwindonBadger Originally by: Pride NL EVE is about ISK. If people want to invest real money into EVE then that is WIN for CCP. eve is about isk to those who want to become Bankers ^^ eve is about griefing if u like being a wan ..... eve is about bones if u like only corpses eve is about build ques if like makeing torpes so for the bad ryme but its true ^^ One day u will all have a day where u wont be playing, be it boardem, ur own death or u wont take anything that u make with ya,,, better to have spent time making ur own memories. Haha, did you guys seriously form an alliance named "Krautbreak"? That's awesome. Mad props. Seriously.
Sirius A Caldari StarFleet Enterprises StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Sirius A on 14/03/2009 17:05:39 The point is not that is causes issues to the economy. The root of the problem is it creates an uneven playing field. "I am expendable"
Junkie Beverage Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:06:00 - [8] im rich irl
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:08:00 - [9] I don't think it's bull****, but it sure is very pathetic.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:11:00 - [10] I too, am an aluminimum tycoon. lol, money. We don't recruit anyone, go away.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Raging Knight People don't seem to understand this at all. GTC's are just used on accounts that would otherwise be payed on a subscription with one of the other methods of payment, so doesn't mean any extra cash for CCP, it use to mean less with the 30day cards and exchange rates. The only argument is that there is probably a percentage of people that wouldn't play the game at all if they couldn't pay with in game money, but i think this would be a very small amount in the scale of things. bolded and underlined the assumptions, I don't really have a stance on the whole GTC issue to be honest. I have purchased a GTC once, but I was drunk at the time so I'm using that as an excuse. Though after you buy a GTC you want to buy another one it's easy isk if you can afford to dump your expendable cash on GTC's I however prefer to spend it on good scotch or whiskey thus I have not purchased another one. Without GTC's people need to realise that you would have less expensive fit faction ships killed in lowsec/0.0 who's owners didn't know how to properly fit said ship. It would be a tragic loss as I always feel a bonus amount of happy knowing I just griefed real live money from someone.
Kaitou Shiroi Gallente Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2009.03.14 17:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Proxay I too, am an aluminimum tycoon. lol, money. Here to confirm that Proxay is indeed an aluminiumiumimum tycoon. --- Unless specifically stated otherwise, the opinions expressed in my posts do not reflect those held by my corporation or alliance.
Anela Cistine Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 20:48:00 - [13] Note: I'm not rich, and I'll probably never sell a time card. Originally by: Sirius A Edited by: Sirius A on 14/03/2009 17:05:39 The point is not that is causes issues to the economy. The root of the problem is it creates an uneven playing field. Some players being in school or unemployed and being able to play 12 hours a day while others can only play 12 hours a week also creates an uneven playing field. As does some guy multi-boxing and running 6 accounts at the same time. And so does inviting several thousand of your closest internet friends to come play in a corp with you. Or getting in on the Beta and then sticking with the game for years so that no new player can ever match your skill points. The playing field is not even. Life is not fair.
Yaay Amarr Reikoku KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.15 00:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Yaay on 15/03/2009 00:12:47 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 14/03/2009 13:47:21 Originally by: Pride NL EVE is about ISK. If people want to invest real money into EVE then that is WIN for CCP. I thought that too, but someone pointed out to me that the money CCP gets doesn't change much, as the timecards are sold in-game for ISK and then used instead of subscription fees. In other words, the real-life cash used for timecards replaces real-life cash would have been used for subscription fees if the timecards had not been bought. I think we all just have to accept it though. it actually changes significantly as more players play when they don't have to invest actual money... it also helps ccp that the money for GTC sales is reliable and faster income that is more certain than someone's actual willingness to pay 15 a month the moment their time runs out. and this is really the wrong forum for this discussion anyways DD changes Docking PVP games
Ackaroth Gallente Digital assassins The Foray Project	Posted - 2009.03.15 00:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Anela Cistine Some players being in school or unemployed and being able to play 12 hours a day while others can only play 12 hours a week also creates an uneven playing field. As does some guy multi-boxing and running 6 accounts at the same time. And so does inviting several thousand of your closest internet friends to come play in a corp with you. Or getting in on the Beta and then sticking with the game for years so that no new player can ever match your skill points. The playing field is not even. Life is not fair. Quoting for truthiness. EVE isnt supposed to be about fair. Adapt, or die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leader of Gay Ops since '05
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 00:39:00 - [16] If only they were just buying and selling GTCs and not real money trading and getting tons of assets banned for it. looks longingly at the moon sighs
fugazii Minmatar the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.03.15 01:17:00 - [17] Originally by: XJennieX i think its not playing the game if you get all your ingame money for your alliance with buying GTC for 100k dollars and selling them for isk.. its just not how the games are played. all in all i think it might be best to CCP to monitor this or stop the option of GTC to isk trade.. darius JOHNSON admitting Goons were run by GTCs for a long time. post 205 btw. Thanks all, come again.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Republic War Machine Industries Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.03.15 01:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Anela Cistine Note: I'm not rich, and I'll probably never sell a time card. Originally by: Sirius A Edited by: Sirius A on 14/03/2009 17:05:39 The point is not that is causes issues to the economy. The root of the problem is it creates an uneven playing field. Some players being in school or unemployed and being able to play 12 hours a day while others can only play 12 hours a week also creates an uneven playing field. As does some guy multi-boxing and running 6 accounts at the same time. And so does inviting several thousand of your closest internet friends to come play in a corp with you. Or getting in on the Beta and then sticking with the game for years so that no new player can ever match your skill points. The playing field is not even. Life is not fair. /thread, really. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Panzram Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 05:03:00 - [19] Originally by: SwindonBadger Originally by: Pride NL EVE is about ISK. If people want to invest real money into EVE then that is WIN for CCP. eve is about isk to those who want to become Bankers ^^ eve is about griefing if u like being a wan ..... eve is about bones if u like only corpses eve is about build ques if like makeing torpes so for the bad ryme but its true ^^ One day u will all have a day where u wont be playing, be it boardem, ur own death or u wont take anything that u make with ya,,, better to have spent time making ur own memories. whats a wan? how do i know if i am one? im afraid i might be
Nick Curso Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.15 05:16:00 - [20] Who gives a **** tbh, someone wants to spend that kinda money on a game what business is it of ours? I just wish I was in a similar position.
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 05:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Nick Curso Who gives a **** tbh, someone wants to spend that kinda money on a game what business is it of ours? I just wish I was in a similar position. Bring rich or being in a space holding alliance?
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 06:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Petar Quaresma Originally by: Nick Curso Who gives a **** tbh, someone wants to spend that kinda money on a game what business is it of ours? I just wish I was in a similar position. Bring rich or being in a space holding alliance? ahahahaha
Interconnector Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 08:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Interconnector on 15/03/2009 08:11:40 Originally by: fugazii Originally by: XJennieX i think its not playing the game if you get all your ingame money for your alliance with buying GTC for 100k dollars and selling them for isk.. its just not how the games are played. all in all i think it might be best to CCP to monitor this or stop the option of GTC to isk trade.. darius JOHNSON admitting Goons were run by GTCs for a long time. This is far from being the same thing as we get referral money just as many corps do from time card sellers who pass a few dollars back to the swarm when someone uses a link to buy cards from them. He didn't say that we turned and sold that for in game money and used it to put up towers, but even if we did it would be a far cry from dropping 50K+ RL money to fund your space war.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.15 09:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Anela Cistine Note: I'm not rich, and I'll probably never sell a time card. Originally by: Sirius A Edited by: Sirius A on 14/03/2009 17:05:39 The point is not that is causes issues to the economy. The root of the problem is it creates an uneven playing field. Some players being in school or unemployed and being able to play 12 hours a day while others can only play 12 hours a week also creates an uneven playing field. As does some guy multi-boxing and running 6 accounts at the same time. And so does inviting several thousand of your closest internet friends to come play in a corp with you. Or getting in on the Beta and then sticking with the game for years so that no new player can ever match your skill points. The playing field is not even. Life is not fair. Originally by: Nick Curso Who gives a **** tbh, someone wants to spend that kinda money on a game what business is it of ours? I just wish I was in a similar position. QFT Also, i for one approve of anything that lowers the ISK cost of GTC, and someone buying 110k USD worth definitely qualifies =) (yeah i know he only bought like 60k worth, but whatever) If people want to whine about eve being unfair or unbalanced etc, why don't you take a look at the 500 billion ISK a month PL make off moon mining ? That's more than the entire north + drone regions combined produce
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.15 10:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Junkie Beverage im rich irl This.
Leeham Gallente Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.15 11:00:00 - [26] Well my stance on the whole GTC market is. Would you prefer scamming isk sellers in every system in Eve rather than just the new player systems?
Syk0 Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 18:40:00 - [27] Edited by: Syk0 on 15/03/2009 18:42:11 Edited by: Syk0 on 15/03/2009 18:41:56 Edited by: Syk0 on 15/03/2009 18:41:12 CCP knows that EVE is ran off isk. Unlike other MMOs, if you do not have any money in EVE you can't do anything, and there will always be a market for people wanting to "buy" isk, so CCP has two choices A) Run a well regulated system that is safe for all parties involved and where the person buying the GTC is buying it from a source where CCP is making money off it, or B) Do not support it and let the players take the chance of dealing with isk selling sites where they can be potentially scammed and CCP receives NO real life money from it. Or they could just sell isk for money right here on the site but that would draw a lot of backlash, especially for people who are curious but not yet playing the game, and will give isk a face value. Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall reading issues with laws when this was brought up in relation to other games.
thelung187 Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.15 19:38:00 - [28] Originally by: XJennieX i think its not playing the game if you get all your ingame money for your alliance with buying GTC for 100k dollars and selling them for isk.. its just not how the games are played. all in all i think it might be best to CCP to monitor this or stop the option of GTC to isk trade.. Indeed, I foresee CCP investing many manhours into the curbing the disturbing trend of capital revenue influx. Who are you to police a person's real-life wealth? Maybe next I should buy a bike instead of a car; I mean, operating under your logic, it's not fair that I can afford a car but others can't.
fugazii Minmatar the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.03.15 20:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Interconnector Edited by: Interconnector on 15/03/2009 08:11:40 Originally by: fugazii Originally by: XJennieX i think its not playing the game if you get all your ingame money for your alliance with buying GTC for 100k dollars and selling them for isk.. its just not how the games are played. all in all i think it might be best to CCP to monitor this or stop the option of GTC to isk trade.. darius JOHNSON admitting Goons were run by GTCs for a long time. This is far from being the same thing as we get referral money just as many corps do from time card sellers who pass a few dollars back to the swarm when someone uses a link to buy cards from them. He didn't say that we turned and sold that for in game money and used it to put up towers, but even if we did it would be a far cry from dropping 50K+ RL money to fund your space war. That's just splitting hairs m8. RL cash is rl cash regardless of where it comes from. However, honestly I don't really get what the issue is here. He works at a job, and makes an income. Isn't the whole purpose of working to be able to afford a roof, food, and to have money to spend on things you enjoy? Aslong as he isn't sacrificing the first 2 to achieve the 3rd, then there isn't anything to laugh at him about. Not to mention money is relative to wage. 100k seems like allot to people not making allot, just as starving Ethiopians would be puzzled at each of us spending 15$/mo on spaceships.
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.15 20:22:00 - [30] Of course it's not illegal. Christ. It doesn't mean that the people who do something like that aren't tremendous and pathetic idiots, nor does it mean that the people who do this and then stir up false ethnic hatreds in a video game in order to cover up their greed aren't also tremendous idiots. Also, they don't just buy and sell game time cards, they RMT. Maybe you missed that when it was admitted that numerous valuable assets were removed from game.

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