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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:39:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Not advocating a specific side of the discussion here, but you guys may want to remember this. Which slice of this pie do you think it's in CCP's best interests to appeal to, if they have no choice but to do it at the expense of other slices?
You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they?
Every single time CCP has given in to the carebears EVE subscriptions have suffered. Every single time they have stood up against them subscriptions have risen. |
Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
73
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:52:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits.
Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
263
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:55:00 -
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Backlash? Isn't that the same backlash that's threatened every hulkageddon but never happens?
Events like these bring Eve back to life again! What it desperately needs. It becomes less grind and more game play. Variation is what it needs. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:02:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits. Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day.
Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they?
CCP caved in to the EVE hating Carebears (again) and should be taken to task for it. In the meantime, just fly cheaper ships and make the pubbies burn. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
263
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:03:00 -
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Xython wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits. Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day. Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they? CCP caved in to the EVE hating Carebears (again) and should be taken to task for it. In the meantime, just fly cheaper ships and make the pubbies burn.
They won't because it is the carebears that bring the money into CCP's bank. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:12:00 -
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Miilla wrote:They won't because it is the carebears that bring the money into CCP's bank.
I question that assertion given how badly the game's subscriptions are affected whenever there's a "Carebear Expansion" put out.
In fact, I even question the idea that there are more Highsec players than Nullsec players. Consider that every single Goon I know has at least one Market alt, often multiples, often combined with several PI or Datacore farming alts (3x PI / Datacore alt will pay for that account + your main), often combined with ten hour hero alts.
And of course, there's the "bot situation." When you have people running 20+ Ice Miner bots at the same time, well, the numbers get a bit skewed as well.
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference.
Asheron's Call under Microsoft used the "The botters pay more" excuse as a justification to allow rampant botting, which eventually destroyed the game. There were more people in Jita tonight than in the entirety of AC across 7 servers, and the games launched relatively close to one another. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
578
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:22:00 -
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I currently have 2 characters in Nullsec (my main game) and 4 in hisec so yeah id go with the fact that hisec has more actual characters for sure, but maybe not that many more actual people behind the accounts.
So yeah, I consider myself to be a nullsec player (as 90% of my time is spent there) but 2/3 of my actual characters are in hisec. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
73
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:44:00 -
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Xython wrote:Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they?
I don't disagree with you fully on this, however the people that were using it to completely avoid CONCORD was the reason it was brought to light.
Only a true Noonga can master the Boomerang. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
145
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:51:00 -
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Brobocop McBro wrote:I will single handedly avenge Goons for every miner killed during Hulkageddon. They should not be able to run rampant like this. What they fail to realized is that I am who CCP cares about. I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them. I don't have any legs anymore so this game is really important to me and my govt actually pays for my gaming lol I have hulkageddon and I will complain if I am not able to punish them in game until they get banned instead. They made this game for me not you guys. Don't ruin this for me please. See kiddies.
Mining. Bad for you.
Takes your legs and leaves you nothing but credit card bills.
Errr and stumps. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
810
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Posted - 2012.04.29 11:20:00 -
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Xython wrote:You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts.
Do you have any statistics to substantiate this claim? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.04.29 11:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yes, exploits.
Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day.
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I'm not sure where people are getting that it was planned with CCP. Here. Have some tinfoil. Sorry its early in the morning here.. Quote:"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay. So CCP knew at least that long ago what was planed. So, all of you who wonder why the Boomerang suddenly became an exploit? There you go
Funny thing: Goons plan Burn Jita Boomerang is suddenly an exploit and fixed. Cooincidence *noms tinfoil*
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:26:00 -
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u r one one mad bad op |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
682
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:34:00 -
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fgft Athonille wrote:u r one one mad bad op
Stupid meme is stupid TBH, saying that an op seemed mad does not mean it had any angry connotation. I will be mad however if suicide ganking in general is nerfed into the floor. And so will you
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Zed Jackelope
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
6
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:46:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess.
Wrong.
1. Warping away from a suicide gank was never an exploit, it was only an exploit if you successfully avoided Concord. You still could not dock, you still could not jump through a gate, you still could not jump through a wormhole. All you could do is stay in warp until they caught up to you and you were popped.
2. Abandoning your drones should never have been an exploit, because Concord should NEVER have shot at abandoned drones in the first place. Abandoned drones are trash, anyone can pick them up, and they do not attack anyone. That is an oversight on the Devs for not thinking of the obvious. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
682
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:48:00 -
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Zed Jackelope wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess. Wrong. 1. Warping away from a suicide gank was never an exploit, it was only an exploit if you successfully avoided Concord. You still could not dock, you still could not jump through a gate, you still could not jump through a wormhole. All you could do is stay in warp until they caught up to you and you were popped. 2. Abandoning your drones should never have been an exploit, because Concord should NEVER have shot at abandoned drones in the first place. Abandoned drones are trash, anyone can pick them up, and they do not attack anyone. That is an oversight on the Devs for not thinking of the obvious.
Now you seem angry. I will offer a **** you, because CCP "fixed" these usable features as a direct result of players bringing more attention to them. Kiss <3.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yes, exploits.
Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day.
Sorry its early in the morning here..
Quote:"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.
So CCP knew at least that long ago what was planed.
So, all of you who wonder why the Boomerang suddenly became an exploit? There you go Funny thing: Goons plan Burn Jita Boomerang is suddenly an exploit and fixed. Cooincidence *noms tinfoil*
Xython wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits. Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day. Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they? CCP caved in to the EVE hating Carebears (again) and should be taken to task for it. In the meantime, just fly cheaper ships and make the pubbies burn.
It was never an expliot till Goons planned "burn Jita" with CCP and CCP figures out you all could avoid CONCORD
Its not hard to figure out whose to blame for that one, Goon
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:25:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:I currently have 2 characters in Nullsec (my main game) and 4 in hisec so yeah id go with the fact that hisec has more actual characters for sure, but maybe not that many more actual people behind the accounts.
So yeah, I consider myself to be a nullsec player (as 90% of my time is spent there) but 2/3 of my actual characters are in hisec.
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:58:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Xython wrote:
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference. .....
Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfu
You are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:15:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:As these events progress and come into their own, it is all to easy to take it somewhere that could have unintended results for you.
Beleive me, they've already forgotten about THE Alliance Panel. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:17:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt
Anyone else ready to declare 'butthurt' one of those verbotten OVERused overly-Geek terms ???? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:20:00 -
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HARD STEEL wrote: Get all your friends together and make a change if you're that butt hurt about this.
The WORD again. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:22:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Original post, I didn't see any butthurt in the comment.
And another. I'm not even to page 2. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:28:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:
Hey Goons, you wanna make a rael impact on the game? Hulkageddon year.
Goons have nothing to do with Hulkageddon as an event, beyond the mittani's co-sponsorship.
Don't give credit where it is not due. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense. What is this about?
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4991&tid=1 There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:34:00 -
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Xython wrote: Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit
You are just full of it.
"GÇ˙If you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid, or warp within the same grid, where you gained that GCC; even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC."
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972
So WHO exactly wants EVE EASY ??? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:36:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote: So yeah, I consider myself to be a nullsec player (as 90% of my time is spent there) but 2/3 of my actual characters are in hisec.
THIS actually seems to be the majority 'situation' in the game. But then a bear is a bear, whether Care- or Null-. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
182
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:37:00 -
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I can clearly see why CCP has "endorsed" both Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Let's face it, both add CONTENT which is sorely lacking at this time.
We need ships destroyed on a large scale and all the null-bears are dug into their respective areas like tics and not willing (or able with current sov, blob, hot drop, bridging mechanics) to make any serious headway in null-wars.
So, as I see it, any content is good content.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:39:00 -
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Kyshonuba wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Xython wrote:
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference. .....
Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfuYou are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ?
I really dont think they want to for some reason or another or they would have by now
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:EVE Stig wrote:
Hey Goons, you wanna make a rael impact on the game? Hulkageddon year.
Goons have nothing to do with Hulkageddon as an event, beyond the mittani's co-sponsorship. Don't give credit where it is not due.
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:43:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:I can clearly see why CCP has "endorsed" both Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Let's face it, both add CONTENT which is sorely lacking at this time.
We need ships destroyed on a large scale and all the null-bears are dug into their respective areas like tics and not willing (or able with current sov, blob, hot drop, bridging mechanics) to make any serious headway in null-wars.
So, as I see it, any content is good content.
Way I see it the Boomerang was "fixed" BECAUSE of Burn Jita lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:43:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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