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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
263
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well.
We should make it a year long. Every year. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:46:00 -
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Miilla wrote:[quote=Krixtal Icefluxor]
We should make it a year long. Every year.
Again, you would be horrible to play Monopoly with. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
211
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:48:00 -
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Kyshonuba wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Xython wrote:
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference. .....
Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfuYou are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ?
Just a note on this, I have something like 18 characters across 8 accounts. Currently, a mere 7 of them reside in nullsec and that's only recently, before that it was 3. Many nullsec players have at least one alt in highsec if for no other reason than to be able to check market prices in jita or purchase items in jita to have shipped to 0.0. Basically, that statistic is garbage because there's far too much unknown about it. if CCP is basing design choices on it, they're idiots. |

Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. You sure of that I dont remember it being more than normal
corestwo wrote:CCP ... idiots.
Youre Goon... you dont know this already?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |

Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. It was never for one week. Hulkageddon I 111.10.16 - 111.10.19
Hulkageddon III was July 9th, 2010 through July 18th, 2010.
Hulkageddon IV was "the last week of feb + 1 extra weekend." According to Helicity
was two a month then? Thats the only one I cant find a date for
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:04:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. It was never for one week. Hulkageddon I 111.10.16 - 111.10.19 Hulkageddon III was July 9th, 2010 through July 18th, 2010. Hulkageddon IV was "the last week of feb + 1 extra weekend." According to Helicity was two a month then? Thats the only one I cant find a date for
Indeed correct The cancelled November 2011 H'geddon was to be a month long. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. It was never for one week. Hulkageddon I 111.10.16 - 111.10.19 Hulkageddon III was July 9th, 2010 through July 18th, 2010. Hulkageddon IV was "the last week of feb + 1 extra weekend." According to Helicity was two a month then? Thats the only one I cant find a date for Indeed correct  The cancelled November 2011 H'geddon was to be a month long. Regardless, it's Helicity's event, not the Goons.
Didnt really mean it was, I meant if the GOONS want to influence things hold a year long hulkageddon TYPE event lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:36:00 -
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Kyshonuba wrote:Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfuYou are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ?
I would love to see that. Specifically, I would like to see 2 new data mines be done and made available to the playerbase:
Data Mine 1: Number of accounts that ONLY have characters in highsec / nullsec / characters in both
Data Mine 2: Number of Unique Class C networks that ONLY have characters in Highsec / Nullsec / characters in both
Because Data Mine 1, while useful, would not catch players that have an entire other account in highsec, like dual boxing a market alt or whatnot.
I would also like to know if that data dump includes canceled accounts, say characters that have not logged in in > 3-6 months. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:45:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:I can clearly see why CCP has "endorsed" both Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Let's face it, both add CONTENT which is sorely lacking at this time.
We need ships destroyed on a large scale and all the null-bears are dug into their respective areas like tics and not willing (or able with current sov, blob, hot drop, bridging mechanics) to make any serious headway in null-wars.
So, as I see it, any content is good content.
They "endorsed" Burn Jita and Hulkageddon because they have people with Doctorates and Masters Degrees in Economics working for them, who took one look at the raw EVE economy data and fainted dead away. After they woke up they started rocking to themselves chanting "Oh god, oh god, the Inflation." They didn't come back from the dark unhappy place until someone started chanting the Fibonacci sequence nearby in a calm, soothing voice.
Burn Jita and Hulkageddon are absolutely necessary to help reboot the EVE economy after literally years of damage due to bot miners, drone alloys, and other completely abused mechanics.
Consider that they made a rather big deal about talking about wanting to fix the "neglected other 2 tiers of EVE" -- Harvesting for Minerals and Crafting -- in the upcoming months. No doubt this will include a fix for bot mining, which will further fix the economy.
Personally, if they can find a way to restore glory to the Nullsec miner, and help reboot the Nullsec PVP ecosystem it would be even better, but you know how it is -- baby steps.
I think that would have the carebears up in arms even more than anything else, to be honest. "What, you mean I have to actually coordinate and play with others if I want to make pantloads of money in the game? That's stupid~~~!!!" |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:03:00 -
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You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. |

Alain Kinsella
104
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:05:00 -
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Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null.
It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. 
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:12:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee.
You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:17:00 -
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Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons.
You seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should post some more words. That'll show us.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:19:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons. You seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should post some more words. That'll show us.
Nah, best not to feed the trolls, even when they're cute widdle ones like you. :) |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:22:00 -
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Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons. You seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should post some more words. That'll show us. Nah, best not to feed the trolls, even when they're cute widdle ones like you. :)
Still mad, broh? Try being condescending, that'll show us who's boss!
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
625
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:25:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. 
High Sec Bears will never go to null.
Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that.
Any more game killing ideas ? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
286
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:30:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt strikes again. Are you still harping on about all this? EDIT: I just realised why you are so butthurt over all this Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess. You rely on the loopholes and flaws in the game don't you? Scams, little "tricks" that few people know about? And then when the Goons or people like them, bring these things to CCP's attention and they get removed, well that just totally messes up your "fun" doesn't it? If it weren't for them old nasty Goons, you could keep using those little known exploits and a**hole tactics in order to keep feeling superior. Well well well, poor little Captain Butthurt really is hurting now isn't he. And that is the reason for all your anti-goon sentiment. You are a sad and lonely little man, and you have my pity.
I read this and I thought, Cutter Isaacson is the one that reads like he's butthurt  ... |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:36:00 -
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A little friendly reminder to everyone.
CCP actually enjoyed events like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon. As for the idea of players trying to destroy the economy using the in-game tools provided, what do they intend to do about it? As CCP said, they are just going to sit back and watch. That's it. And they will watch with a smile as they eat popcorn.  Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
626
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:41:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:As CCP said, they are just going to sit back and watch. That's it. And they will watch with a smile as they eat popcorn. 
This has faint echoes of the orchestra on the Titanic. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
762
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back.  High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ?
Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships.
I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:02:00 -
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Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back.  High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ? Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours.
"Real EVE"? Kid, give us a break. You're in GSF, which means don't even play EVE - you play SomethingAwful.com. You don't even know what it's like to play EVE; IE, starting with nothing and building yourself up. You come onto this game and instantly get free ships, 1 on 1 apprentice tutoring, safe access to null-sec resources, and all the cushy protection from your nandydandy null-sec carebear alliance. You've never even logged onto EVE Online.
And then you come onto the forums and have a cryfest about hardbears mining in hi-sec. You realize that Hi-Sec is open to you, right? Instead of getting all butthurt about hardbears scraping some ISK together in hi-sec, why not HTFU, fit a tank on a Hulk, and go out and join them? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
632
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:03:00 -
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Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Any more game killing ideas ?
Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships.
I'm only gonna grab this one idiotic point here.
THIS DOES NOT WORK. YOU KNOW THIS.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
741
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:04:00 -
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Nah keep exhumers in highsec, it's great seeing some crybaby fit his hulk with 6000 ehp out of greed and then cry crocodile tears when some nobody in a destroyer crumples his paper tank |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:04:00 -
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Xython wrote:And you know what: I never quite agreed with the idea of killing "the game," but the more I realize that you guys are playing something other than EVE and trying to force the rest of us to play along, the more eager I am to kill YOUR game.
Again: You're in GSF. You don't play EVE. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:05:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Any more game killing ideas ?
Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I'm only gonna grab this one idiotic point here. THIS DOES NOT WORK. YOU KNOW THIS.
No dude, having escorts totally prevents alphaganking. All you have to do is fly really close together so your shields merge. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:05:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nah keep exhumers in highsec, it's great seeing some crybaby fit his hulk with 6000 ehp out of greed and then cry crocodile tears when some nobody in a destroyer crumples his paper tank
I don't think you know what "crocodile tears" means. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
763
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:00:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:No dude, having escorts totally prevents alphaganking. All you have to do is fly really close together so your shields merge.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
How about a scout at the gate. You see a bunch of ganking ships warp in, you warn your fleet and they warp the miners out.
In Nullsec, you bubble the gate. Gives you more time to warp out. Maybe a scout a gate out as well. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
499
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:07:00 -
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Goons have a manifesto to destroy MMO's and their leader has openly admitted to breaking the EULA. CCP is a reactive company and not proactive, and won't do anything until people quit.
And enough people have to quit to **** their investors off.
Thats their MO. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:08:00 -
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Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:No dude, having escorts totally prevents alphaganking. All you have to do is fly really close together so your shields merge. You have no idea what you're talking about. How about a scout at the gate. You see a bunch of ganking ships warp in, you warn your fleet and they warp the miners out. In Nullsec, you bubble the gate. Gives you more time to warp out. Maybe a scout a gate out as well. That's why highsec is more risky than nullsec, right? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
632
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:15:00 -
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Xython wrote: How about a scout at the gate. You see a bunch of ganking ships warp in, you warn your fleet and they warp the miners out.
High Sec traffic is too high for this to ever work. You don't play in high Sec so you would not know.
FLEE every single time someone jumps in system ? I think not.
Only defense is to add to Contact every possible idiot Alliance in the game, yours included, and keep eyes on Local for Red. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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