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Useful Alt
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:54:00 -
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nothing more to say
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:57:00 -
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can i have your isk?
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:13:00 -
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Have you tried shooting other players, I heard that can be a great way to do it.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:16:00 -
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PvP.
EvE's only necessary isk sink.
Before Wormholes
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superlolzz
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:19:00 -
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actually thats not an isksink, the opposite since when ur ship dies u get paid out insurance :P
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus Have you tried shooting other players, I heard that can be a great way to do it.
/Fail
That's not an isk sink.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: superlolzz actually thats not an isksink, the opposite since when ur ship dies u get paid out insurance :P
I've yet to have the cost of my modules and ship paid back in full. I'm always losing some money.
On the other hand, it's not an isk sink per se. Just a way to transfer isk for the purchase of ships and modules.
Still, PvP is all we need. Just need more reason to pvp.
Before Wormholes
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:32:00 -
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Isk is too easy to make these days. When I started in '05, it was a slower march towards owning a BS as a noob, and the game had a better feeling of accomplishment than it does now.
Insurance needs to be revamped, or removed for everything over a cruiser. The real problem is that because T2 prices are low now from invention, even losing a T2 fit BS is only 30-40 mil or so.
In other words, losing a BS (the standard PvP ship) takes only 30-60 minutes of ratting to recover from, which is too easy for a hardcore game like eve.
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Andrea Erlang
Caldari Erlang Biolabs
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Erlang on 15/03/2009 19:33:22
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: superlolzz actually thats not an isksink, the opposite since when ur ship dies u get paid out insurance :P
I've yet to have the cost of my modules and ship paid back in full. I'm always losing some money.
On the other hand, it's not an isk sink per se. Just a way to transfer isk for the purchase of ships and modules.
Still, PvP is all we need. Just need more reason to pvp.
In before MD vets, Akita or whoever sees this first, but PvP is not an isk sink, since modules do not generate ISK by themselves, minerals are mined and ISK is only transfered between parties, but it doesn't actually exit the game. Unless you only use faction fittings that you buy from LP stores.
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:45:00 -
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Examples of ISK sinks: Sales Tax Contract Fees Buying insurance and letting it expire buying items from NPCs (BPOs, etc) Broker fees etc etc
ISK faucets: NPC rat bounties NPC buy orders Insurance payouts etc etc
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Inhumation Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Examples of ISK sinks: Sales Tax Contract Fees Buying insurance and letting it expire buying items from NPCs (BPOs, etc) Broker fees etc etc
ISK faucets: NPC rat bounties NPC buy orders Insurance payouts etc etc
Indeed, and I don't think anyone who gets the above is in doubt that isk fonts by far outpace isk sinks. This is necessary, to a certain extent, as there's an ever increasing number of individuals that the isk has to be spread around over, but the current balance seems excessively skewed against the sinks.
This would seem to be detrimental to the eve economy, but I don't believe we've heard from CCP's eve-economy watchers as to if they see this as problematic, and if so, what they may consider viable options for implementing; removing isk from the game in a player driven economy isn't as easy as it seems without introducing item vendors, which is very much against the eve-economy model.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I've yet to have the cost of my modules and ship paid back in full. I'm always losing some money.
But the guy you bought them off still has the ISK. The ISK does not leave the system, so it isn't a sink.
I agree with the OP, Eve really does need more ISK sinks, or less potential for generation.
アニメ漫画です
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.15 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I've yet to have the cost of my modules and ship paid back in full. I'm always losing some money.
But the guy you bought them off still has the ISK. The ISK does not leave the system, so it isn't a sink.
I agree with the OP, Eve really does need more ISK sinks, or less potential for generation.
Maybe in ambulation we will get sofas and loose change down the back of them.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.15 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso
Maybe in ambulation we will get sofas and loose change down the back of them.
アニメ漫画です
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James Malice
Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats
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Posted - 2009.03.15 20:58:00 -
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Maybe fewer people should play eve like a job and instead only play a couple hours a day. :D Isk would be a lot harder to come by if we all did that.
Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Shea Klant
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:29:00 -
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Isk is too easy to make these days. When I started in '05, it was a slower march towards owning a BS as a noob, and the game had a better feeling of accomplishment than it does now.
Well there's you problem right there, it's not 2005 anymore. So what you are saying is that getting a BS ship should be as painful as getting a carrier is now. Yeah that'll encourage even more people to PvP won't it?
I don't remember the sense of achievement in busting my hump for several months just to be able to pick up a Domi and fit it with medium guns (back when you started with practically zero skills, it was sheer terror, and nausea every time I went into hull.
I'm sorry but that month you just spent grinding for the ship and mods lasted all of 37 seconds to that roving gank squad, now get your butt back into that asteroid belt and mine yourself up another Mega. Isn't Eve fun?
The only reason I'm willing to sacrifice BSs, like burnt offerings to the Fleet PvP gods, is that I know that I can go crank out another one with less than a day of half hearted ratting in 0.0. Of course when the Thanatos get's into hull those feelings of nausea do come back.
If we are ever going to get people to be willing to fight and loose often, the price (difficulty, isk has nothing to do with it since that is just simple money supply economics) needs to come down even more.
Double the output of mining in 0.0, quadruple it in low sec, and add in faction points that are given out from faction agents similar to the way research agents dole out RPs that are specifically used for getting faction ships/mods and we will see massive wars kick off once people loose there fear of making pretty fireworks with the gutted hull of their favorite ship.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech Isk is too easy to make these days. When I started in '05, it was a slower march towards owning a BS as a noob, and the game had a better feeling of accomplishment than it does now.
Insurance needs to be revamped, or removed for everything over a cruiser. The real problem is that because T2 prices are low now from invention, even losing a T2 fit BS is only 30-40 mil or so.
In other words, losing a BS (the standard PvP ship) takes only 30-60 minutes of ratting to recover from, which is too easy for a hardcore game like eve.
maybe thats because you was a noob in 2005 and youre an advanced player in 2009?
dude, Ive been playing for 5 months and no way I can earn those numbers you are telling us. 30-40mil in 30-60min? WTF? Im happy if I get 10millions per day, and I play a lot of hours.
I can do lvl3 missions and fly a BC and a Retriever. Biggest rats I can do are 100k or so. But you know time is wasted, fitting the ship, flying through systems, and so on... I will be happy when earning 1mil/minute like you!!!
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 15/03/2009 23:46:18
Originally by: Shea Klant Isk is too easy to make these days. When I started in '05, it was a slower march towards owning a BS as a noob, and the game had a better feeling of accomplishment than it does now.
Well there's you problem right there, it's not 2005 anymore. So what you are saying is that getting a BS ship should be as painful as getting a carrier is now. Yeah that'll encourage even more people to PvP won't it?
I don't remember the sense of achievement in busting my hump for several months just to be able to pick up a Domi and fit it with medium guns (back when you started with practically zero skills, it was sheer terror, and nausea every time I went into hull.
I'm sorry but that month you just spent grinding for the ship and mods lasted all of 37 seconds to that roving gank squad, now get your butt back into that asteroid belt and mine yourself up another Mega. Isn't Eve fun?
The only reason I'm willing to sacrifice BSs, like burnt offerings to the Fleet PvP gods, is that I know that I can go crank out another one with less than a day of half hearted ratting in 0.0. Of course when the Thanatos get's into hull those feelings of nausea do come back.
If we are ever going to get people to be willing to fight and loose often, the price (difficulty, isk has nothing to do with it since that is just simple money supply economics) needs to come down even more.
Double the output of mining in 0.0, quadruple it in low sec, and add in faction points that are given out from faction agents similar to the way research agents dole out RPs that are specifically used for getting faction ships/mods and we will see massive wars kick off once people loose there fear of making pretty fireworks with the gutted hull of their favorite ship.
I don't want the days of mining for months for a BS, but I do think it's a bit too easy now. It's nice to stop along every ship class on the way to a BS. The ship I most enjoyed was a Wolf (Assault Frigate). I killed pirate BCs for a couple of weeks to afford a Thorax BPO and kick start my industry career.
I think removing most loot drops from missions would be a step in the right direction.
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Nooto
Caldari Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:51:00 -
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my wallet is a great isk sink just drop the isk in and i will ensure that u wont see them again BEWARE!!!
All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance |
Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nooto my wallet is a great isk sink just drop the isk in and i will ensure that u wont see them again
not a sink as you will put them in the market...
but implants are. Get them, plug in, and be podded. Great isk sink there :) make podding a "legal" activity even in high sec and you got a nice isk sink lol
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:54:00 -
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If there was much less isk then more people would fly smaller ships, you wouldn't need as much isk. So it wouldn't matter as much that you couldn't afford to throw away battleships.
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.16 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Fulbert on 16/03/2009 00:09:27 More ISK in games means : => inflation. Prices get higher and higher (cause people are ready to spend more ISK for the same item) = more taxes and more broker fees => People learn skills they wouldn't afford otherwise (Freighters, capitals, every single T2 class)
= destruction of ISKs
The system DO regulate itself ____________________________________ Fulbert Peon |
Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 02:32:00 -
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Get rid of insurance. *fixed*
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 02:36:00 -
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forum trolling doesn't pay
please give isk to me
that Armoured C
yeah capital A and a u in there as well with that space and capital C yep thanks
to be not flamed by me read this instructional video
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Rac Blanco
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Posted - 2009.03.16 02:43:00 -
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You can not go back to mining like it use to be because it would take months of group mining to make a capital, not to mention years to make a titan.
Instead of isk sinks, why not just give out lower bounties for rats in non-empire space, or no bonuses at all! Make the 0.0 people truly earn their isk the old fashion way. Of course this would cut way down on pvp and cause more cooperation by players. But then that would be something like reality and no-one wants that (except carebears that is they say).
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Apoctasy
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.03.16 04:11:00 -
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Confirming that I am the isk sink. Send all isks to me.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Erlang
In before MD vets, Akita or whoever sees this first, but PvP is not an isk sink, since modules do not generate ISK by themselves, minerals are mined and ISK is only transfered between parties, but it doesn't actually exit the game. Unless you only use faction fittings that you buy from LP stores.
OMG *Rabble rabble rabble*
Insurance is an ISK faucet.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:14:00 -
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If there was a way to customize color schemes and post ads on billboards, it could serve as major isk sink
For billboards - allow people to create animated GIFs with limited size and queue in time slots and systems.
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Karr Blanch
The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:18:00 -
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I am EVE's biggest ISK sink. Give me money you'd like taken out of the economy and I will horde it and count it and never spend it.
EVER.
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Noriko Sakai
Gallente DC1 Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:26:00 -
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Simple solution.
Docking Fees
Common! Every Space station in every Sci-Fi Books, Movies charges docking fees. Fees should be based on the size of the ship and you faction standings.
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