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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.17 01:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
I'd disagree on that. Sure eve trading can be thought of as full blown business effort with the goal of maximising isk gains, but that's not a general rule, and I would say that although many people no doubtedly agree with you on that, it's still wrong to say that if you're making less trading than you would make doing something else you're not successful.
Having made decent amounts of isk doing what I like, is in my terms, and many others', having been successful. Not everyone thinks trading is all about racking in the absolute most of your time and capital.
Granted one might consider someone who makes more, to be more successful, but not the only one who is.
I think the problem here is 300k doesn't really qualify as decent amounts of isk. If one were to routinely do 300k per 4hours that would make the game increasingly frustrating and the player would eventually leave the game.
I am the same way though in that I trade because I find it more fun, not because I bring in billions of ISK. I am far from a business tycoon. Really, historically I only make slightly more than I would ratting, but I did snatch up a 1 billion deal once when someone dumped a bunch of Moon Materials at "market" price, and market price in Khanid was only about 1-5/isk each. If I hadn't been watching the market I wouldn't have caught that deal. It's those sudden infusions of isk I'd never get missioning or ratting that really make trading fun for me.
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Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.17 05:20:00 -
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learn 2 read...
he said small succes.... 300k is a small success. get over yourselves!
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.17 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
learn 2 read...
he said small succes.... 300k is a small success. get over yourselves!
and I'm saying that 300k doesn't really count as a success. Learn to read yourself.
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Confuzer I
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Posted - 2009.03.17 11:38:00 -
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Stay with it :)
I did the same and now I am at 700m - 1.4bil pure profit a day which costs me 1-2 hours playtime. The rest of the time - or during trading ^^ - I pvp and do alliance stuff, which is a nice isk sink.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.17 12:03:00 -
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im saying that 300k counts as a small succes learn 2 read
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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No Mahdss
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:29:00 -
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Speaking as a trader - I can say one of the reasons I do it is for the fun.
Believe it or not I do have a great time looking at markets, looking for gaps and opportunities - sometimes just simply hauling stuff myself just to remember that its a space game - I even find hauling items 5 jumps away for an extra 10% profit very soothing!!
To me it's a game first - not a business and I would rather spend 3 hours doing something I enjoy than spending 2 hours on something else - less enjoyable but maybe more profitable.
Start small - learn - make more and more profit - enjoy it as you go!!
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glas mir
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:37:00 -
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wait you're having fun playing a game
"you're playing the sandbox game wrong"
yeah right. Way to go man, if you are having fun then even if you lose isk you still win.
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Brisco Smiley
Peppermint Bay Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Success story suggests you managed something, where others have failed, and honestly I don't see anyone failing to make 300k in 4 hours by trading.
Actually, I think most people fail to make 300k by trading because most people fail to attempt it at all. This was a success story insofar as it demonstrates that there are no barriers to entry for trading other than some reading and some doing. Not only is that fact true, it is important to encourage more participants so that the market clears more efficiently for all of us.
Personally, I am a miner. I just figured out pretty quickly that asteroid belts are not the best places to get minerals.
Cheers,
Brisco Smiley
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Ye the MD forum oldies are a pain in teh ***
They are insolent and unpolite...
Like the first time i came to the MD forums was a ! like you and offered them their biggest chance of an IPO shot... 1 trillion invested... epic proportions and maximum profit.
I got burned, and never offered to make an IPO again...
Who suffered?
Today i have complete control of 3 corps. (2 alt corps, one for investment management (currently has around 3,4B invested) and one for information gathering and data analysis. ) its also used as an anonymous contact for special contracts etc.
And my main corp that has 12 members now, most are miners that just wants to be able to get a good steady price on their minerals, we got 2 producers exlc myself.
we specialice in market manipulation and monopoly, we only work inside 1 region and only sell out of 1 system, except with a few (1-4) bases placed on the outer edges of the region. we own 2 large POS'es and have around 2.5 billion lying around in liquid capital in the corp wallet.. we estimate, and its only an estimate because we dont have an exact figure that we have collatoral in the area of 20-30 billion ISK..
i know this is peanuts and that you MD gurus have 1000 of trillions in your alts wallets..
my point with this story, is that you shouldnt listen to the ranting,trolling and snipping in this thread, continue as you are, learn, read, listen, reflect and initiate...
best of luck!
Ji Sama: - If you have a bit of time spare, I would be very interested in a guide or some tips on your specialisations of market manipulation and monopolies. They are usually much better when written by a specialist, rather than someone who has hardly scratched the surface yet. Setting up a monopoly with support from Pandemic Legion 23/7 would be near impossible as far as I can see. With a 12 man mining corp it must require some very fast thinking and inspired gameplay. The best I can come up with, is to find some dead market in some dead backwater that no one else can be bothered with, but I guess that isn't the specialism you are talking about!
'Market manipulation' within a monopoly has also got me stumped. I just can't get passed simple supply and demand here, unless you sneakily buy yourself out while you are offline?
I am also a bit confused about the point you are trying to make in your above post. Is the protracted stroking of your smaller than average e-peen meant to illustrate the folly of not listening to those more successful than yourself?  I don't mean to be rude, and I only ask because it could appear that you really think newer players shouldn't listen to those more successful than you in M.D.
P.S. I think you have made M.D. residents suffer enough now. I think a player with such talent as yourself could be gracious enough as to let the Eve hoi polloi have another crack at that biggest ever chance 1 trillion IPO!
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 21/03/2009 14:27:19
i am no specialist, and there are traders here on the MD forum and in EVE that does alot better than i do...
i have a talent for spotting niches, and i exploit this to the fullest of my capabilities..
the problem is that i could write some thought of guide, but not without revealing specifics. and that would hurt my business.
but ill think about a way to write some tips and pointers, and i would like it to be reviewed by the MD community..
the 12 man corp isnt doing the market manipulation, it is merely a tool...
its the persons behind it... primarily me...
its no secret where i operate, its the tash-murkon prime trade hub...
what i deal with i will not say here...
we currently have monopoly on about 6 t1 items and a couple of other items i cant mention wihtout increasing my risks..
i have learned alot from the MD community, alot more than i would ever been able to accumulate by myself. and while i underestimated the intelligence of the MD community with my first semi RPG business plan, i took it on me to grow from this and learn...
so my advise is that you SHOULD listen to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and the very helpful advise that you can get if you ask nicely here on the MD forum.
what i am saying to the OP is that he shouldnt listen to the asshats that are dissing him because he just started and only made a small profit for himself...
yes some can make billions in a month from 5k... and i respect that. but we arent all like that...
i want the OP to trust himself, and keep doing what he is doing...
i dont think you are rude, i dont know where you got that idea from...
lastly: you sarcasm about my return to the IPO market is duly noted...
I will be comming with a new idea, with an alt corp i have made.. thats all i can say at the time... it wont involve tmp industries or ji sama... (but a seperate account)
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.21 15:47:00 -
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ps: are you saying you cant manipulate the market with monopoly?
monopoly is market manipulation (amongst other)
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:00:00 -
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o// catfight
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:12:00 -
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points taken Ji Sama, and I apologise for my attitude (sorry flakeys).
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