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colonel kurz
New Rome corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:54:00 -
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look at Evemarket data reports (in the part with the "history" of turnovers of the last week) in order to search for answers on which could have been "jita burn" actual impact
for the rest, enjoy the fourm drama |

Vulcan23
New Eden Advanced Experiments
6
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:09:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vulcan23 wrote: You are citing a killboard that gives all the kills in Jita for the WHOLE MONTH OF APRIL  Erm..........nope. That EVE Kill "Burn Jita" Special custom link was created by the organizers to be a total count of Jita only for a limited time. You derped all over your new shirt.
I see. So presumably the reason that the page says Month 04, has links to 'previous month' and, most importantly, lists its first kill for the 1st of April mean nothing to you. Or did the goons also develop time travel? The special custom link to which you refer just says Burn Jita but links to the monthly board.
Allow me to help you: Pay Attention!
If you look towards the bottom of the page you will see that all the kills listed on the page happened on the 1st of April. |

Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:56:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:I love when carebears get all butt hurt and cry 'but they didn't make any isk what a fail!!!1111'
I think you might be confusing butt-hurt for amusement.
It was an interesting diversion. Lots of things going boom and local looked like a teleprompter with tourettes.
But, at the end of the day, it was business as usual all over Eve. |

stoicfaux
982
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:49:00 -
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IMO, I think the real impact was being able to pop-lock the Jita node thus impacting Jita's ability to perform as a trade hub. The ganking was just icing.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
55
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:02:00 -
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Where's Jita and should I have ever gone there? |

stoicfaux
983
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:09:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Where's Jita and should I have ever gone there? It's in Nepal. And I wouldn't go there unless you're really, really, really, really bored or are in desperate need to get away from it all.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
234
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:24:00 -
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I was expecting much more from Burn Jita....thought it would go on much longer at least. Shrug. I guess it got over hyped. |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
65
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Welp, now that Hulkageddon is on and the 'official' part of Burn Jita is apparently over, the results from the EVE Kill board are a bit interesting. Of the ships that are use for major transportation of goods, there were destroyed: 25 Freighters 9 Jump Freighters 1 Orca That's IT for major cargoholds that actually haul a descent amount worth halting from trading. Remaining are: 272 T1 Industrial class 87 T2 Transport (smallest cargoholds of these classes) That's a grand total of 394 trade ships with only 35 of them being major ships. I hardly think that broke our economy, especially if you follow CCP Diagoras and the scale of numbers in EVE, which are astonishingly LARGE. This is powdered toast comparatively. The other 9200 losses are combat ships not used for major trade hauling anyway, mainly BC's and Destroyers. More than 1/4 are Capsules. http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143
We'll have to see how this compares with Hulkageddon... |

Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:09:00 -
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I was very disappointed that I was only popped one time in Jita over the weekend. Jarna Civire (GoonWaffe) & Maimakterion (Dreddit) both decided to Smartbomb Perimeter Gate in JITA. Not sure if they realized or even care but a bunch of noob scavengers were there and they popped a few of us. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13200972 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13201567
Good Times!!! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:32:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:From reading several save Jita battle reports, it consists mainly of "We killed several Goon Tech 1 Kamikaze Destroyers using Tech 3 Cruisers, had to leave the field, and the Goons continued to interdict the system within minutes. Op Success".  Winning the battle by getting on killmails! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
726
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:21:00 -
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Nothing was revealed. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Mr Stow
Stow Transport and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:56:00 -
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I don't see this event as something ccp needs to respond to. But I do think it is a game changer to some degree. As a trade person, I and my associated corps have had to perform a serious re-assessment of how our trade is handled and navigational proceedures associated with it. Maybe this is a good thing. It sure hasn't been boring. I suppose if I had lost a capital ship I'd be howling along with the rest, but I remain calm. It's probably fair to say that many of us have been too complacent about trade hubs for too long. I have also visualized of a variation on the Goon gank formula that could be short-term terrifying for hi-sec trade. In all probability, Goon has thought of it too. Going forward, I see a couple of things happening. Depending on how Goon wishes to behave for their next act, I see increased pressure for the developements of spot markets. (Think Arab Oil Embargo) This would be hugely beneficial to traders in response to the Jita blockade. But it wouldn't stop the Goons, just diminish the impact. I could be wrong; human nature is hard to predict. But I do see a some major changes to trade on the horizon. |

Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
11
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:17:00 -
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I must say I had the most fun in jita.. I'm happy to see anything burn.. Especially goons.. Yet I have to give them credit. They did put on a great show.. Thanks for that. Great fun.. Gotta do it again sometime..
Till next time goonies.. 

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:34:00 -
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When you put all of your eggs in one basket and call it Jita, you make yourself vulnerable.
Now perhaps you see why people have been repeatedly stating that developing multiple regional markets is important, even if it means making travel more difficult to encourage them. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Alara IonStorm
2056
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:When you put all of your eggs in one basket and call it Jita, you make yourself vulnerable.
Now perhaps you see why people have been repeatedly stating that developing multiple regional markets is important, even if it means making travel more difficult to encourage them. To be fare Hi Sec has literally dozens of Hubs stocked with Battlecruisers, Battleships, Cruisers, Popular T2 Ships and Modules.
They don't have every little thing, sometimes they are understocked on items and some items are sold at a higher price.
These regional Hubs supply a lot of people but as long as there are 11 billion modules in this game there will be a centralized hub to cater to every need. The problem isn't the sellers market more in the buyers market. People sell there wares in the main hubs because they know they will get a fare price for everything in there hold in comparison to regional hubs where the 80% of crap Meta dropped modules don't have buy orders or they are those 1% there actual worth lets hope people are lazy buy orders.
When people need just one rare item not in there regional hub they will take all there current business to the main hub and buy everything there. Half the time they will also purchase everything they need at the hub while selling there garbage loot.
Last time I was in Jita there was 10 Myrmidons a two dozen Apocs, three dozen Harbingers and four Typhoons. Divide that over 10 regional hubs. The reason Regional Hubs as effective as Jita don't exist is not a fluke of the map. There isn't enough trade to sustain them. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
220
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:02:00 -
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Krixtal blew his load early, as has been pointed out at some length. Here's some real numbers as well as mails for record kills and so on for you to peruse.
All information came from this page on eve-kill. Ship filters made it easier.
Things that make these numbers probably low: Eve-kill underestimates ship prices. I corrected freighter and jump freighter hull values for this, which is why you'll see they don't match below, but didn't bother with cargo except in certain cases. I also assumed that every kill scored had at least one pilot from GSF on it, and I'm sure that there are a handful of smaller kills that were TEST only or Razor only or whatever.
So! On to the numbers!
Total Destruction: 518.47 Billion Isk
By class?
Jump Freighters: 140.7 Billion, 14 kills. Average value: 10.05 Billion Most valuable kill: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13190958
Freighters: 258.445 Billion, 57 kills. Average value: 4.534 Billion Most valuable kill: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13225358
Tech 1 Industrials: 15.308 billion, 97 kills. Average value: 157.8m Most valuable kill: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13211762
Note that this category includes noctii or noctum or whatever.
Tech 2 Industrials: 12.399 billion, 25 kills. Average value: 495.9m Most valuable kill: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13190591
Exhumers: 8.84 billion, 26 kills. Average value: 340 million. Most valuable kill: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13217357
Just a note to any aspiring Hulkageddon pilot - a solo catalyst can easily take down a normal hulk and even when they start tanking, three overheated catalysts is enough to kill them regardless of the tank, or so I'm told. The loot dropped by even a normal hulk, much less one like our MVK here, can pay for your ships alone, and when combined with a 100m isk prize per ten hulks destroyed, you'll be compensated quite handsomely for harvesting the tears of the carebears that are destroying our game. So pilots, go forth and die (while killing) |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
220
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:03:00 -
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Other Notable Kills http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13188433 - Nightmare, 2b even http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13191461 - Abaddon, 1.8b. "Surely if I supertank a battleship I'll be safe!" http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13199698 - Machariel, 1.9b http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13215843 - Disco Bhaalgorn, 1.3b. I don't even know what the heck is with this fit. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13221679 - Machariel, 1.6b
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13216551 - 1.19b. Quite the name there, buddy.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13185671 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13185864 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13185864 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13187614 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13200452 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13201070 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13209235 All our strategic cruiser kills were wardecs doing dumb things to the tune of 6.3 billion isk lost. One of them also lost his full slave pod.
Speaking of pods with slaves, our victim AlaCasio also had them, who for some reason was piloting one of our less notable freighter kills. Maybe this keeps him safe from the more surgical gankers of Niarja or Uedama, but overkill was the name of the game so it didn't work here.
How about some more pods?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13219577 - This guy got smartbombed with a full set of crystals. Nightmare pilot, if I had to guess. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13219362 - Another smartbomb victim, with +5s and 5% gunnery implants. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13220695 - Wardec with a billion isk pod. Whoops!
For your viewing pleasure, here are the rest of the pods that exceed half a billion isk in value. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13209862 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13219572 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13186886 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13226645 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13212149 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13229475 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13230192 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13219958 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13187968 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13199618 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13186726
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
220
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:03:00 -
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So, what did this cost us? Like kills, I'm sure these are low, since no doubt some people didn't bother posting losses to Eve-Kill. Best I can do, so sue me.
Thrashers Thrashers (Fatal Ascension): 132 Thrashers (Fidelas Constans): 35 Thrashers (Test Alliance Please Ignore): 195 Thrashers (SpaceMonkey's Alliance): 47 Thrashers (Executive Outcomes): 6 Thrashers (Gentlemen's Agreement): 39 Thrashers (Goonswarm Federation): 661 Thrashers (Get Off My Lawn): 20 Thrashers (RAZOR Alliance): 23 Thrashers (Total): 1158 Reimbursement cost (GSF Only): 6.61 billion Reimbursement Cost (TEST, 5m/hull): 975m Cost (Everyone else, 5m/hull): 1.51b Thrasher Total: 9.095B
Tornados Tornados (Fatal Ascension): 59 Tornados (Fidelas Constans): 7 Tornados (Test Alliance Please Ignore): 224 Tornados (SpaceMonkey's Alliance): 23 Tornados (Executive Outcomes): 8 Tornados (Goonswarm Federation): 967 Tornados (Gentlemen's Agreement): 22 Tornados (Get Off My Lawn): 2 Tornados (RAZOR Alliance): 22 Tornados (Total): 1334 Reimbursement Cost (GSF Only): 116.04B Reimbursement Cost (TEST, 90m/hull): 20.16B Everyone else (Assuming 110m hull cost): 13.73B Tornado Total: 149.93B
Battleships I made a few generous assumptions on battleships, specifically that they were all lost to concord after smartbombing. Why else would we have them out? Battleships (Fatal Ascension): 12 Battleships (BLACK-MARK): 2 Battleships (Fidelas Constans): 4 Battleships (Test Alliance Please Ignore): 24 Battleships (SpaceMonkey's Alliance): 5 Battleships (Executive Outcomes): 1 Battleships (Goonswarm Federation): 149 Battleships (Gentlemen's Agreement): 2 Battleships (Get Off My Lawn): 1 Battleships (RAZOR Alliance): 2 Battleships (Total): 202 Reimbursement Cost (GSF Only): 17.88B Everyone Else (assuming average hull cost of 100m): 5.3B Total: 23.18B
GRAND TOTAL SPENT: 182.205B |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
220
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:07:00 -
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Other effects? Well damn, there were other effects too. You can see them in major markets - just look at the volume traded for the day.
http://i.imgur.com/PU7jf.png
See that? Yes, the quantity volume where the traded volume for the 26th and especially the 27th through 29th was way down? Yeah, that one.
That effect is repeated throughout the market, certainly in all the minerals; nocxium, zydrine and megacyte got dumped on hard in particular, as speculators ran in a panic. Isotopes were down, Technetium and other moon minerals were down, you name it. Just about the only thing that didn't suffer massive drops in traded volume were, as you might guess, supplies for ganking. Thrashers, tornadoes, guns & other fittings, all were decidedly UP for the weekend. No surprises there.
CCP stated they'll have a devblog coming up, and I'm sure we'll be able to get some interesting numbers on the market volume the days before as well as during Burn Jita. |

Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:28:00 -
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corestwo wrote: harvesting the tears of the carebears that are destroying our game.
And how exactly are they destroying your game?
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:31:00 -
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corestwo wrote:blahblahblah Hay corestwo! Thanks for the links.
lol my alts Nocti did not fare well
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
220
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:33:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:corestwo wrote: harvesting the tears of the carebears that are destroying our game. And how exactly are they destroying your game? Shoot! I knew that I forgot to include the link for maximum troll factor.
Gogela wrote:corestwo wrote:blahblahblah Hay corestwo! Thanks for the links. lol my alts Nocti did not fare well  Oh hey its the guy too dumb to realize he was being picked on after the second kill.  |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:51:00 -
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corestwo wrote:derpderpderp... What goes around comes around... I was just there to have fun.
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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
259
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:06:00 -
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corestwo wrote:
Total Destruction: 518.47 Billion Isk
And in other news EVE GUP last 18 months:
200 Trillion.
C.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
223
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:33:00 -
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Cailais wrote:corestwo wrote:
Total Destruction: 518.47 Billion Isk
And in other news EVE GUP last 18 months: 200 Trillion. C.
Come now, lets not stoop to trying to throw around Really Big Numbers to try to make this seem insignificant.
That makes the GUP 370,370,370,000 per day, or 1.481T for the four days we operated. In essence, we destroyed 35% of the GUP for the time period. |

VagabondAlt
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:45:00 -
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Cailais wrote:corestwo wrote:
Total Destruction: 518.47 Billion Isk
And in other news EVE GUP last 18 months: 200 Trillion. C. you're one of those "bad at math" morlocks, i see
oogily boogily big number more fearsome
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:When you put all of your eggs in one basket and call it Jita, you make yourself vulnerable.
Now perhaps you see why people have been repeatedly stating that developing multiple regional markets is important, even if it means making travel more difficult to encourage them.
doubt it... itll be fogotten by next weekend
Whats the number of ppl in Jita right now? Whats the number of ppl in Jita last monday at this time?
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle |

Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
14
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Welp, now that Hulkageddon is on and the 'official' part of Burn Jita is apparently over, the results from the EVE Kill board are a bit interesting. Of the ships that are use for major transportation of goods, there were destroyed: 25 Freighters 9 Jump Freighters 1 Orca That's IT for major cargoholds that actually haul a descent amount worth halting from trading. Remaining are: 272 T1 Industrial class 87 T2 Transport (smallest cargoholds of these classes) That's a grand total of 394 trade ships with only 35 of them being major ships. I hardly think that broke our economy, especially if you follow CCP Diagoras and the scale of numbers in EVE, which are astonishingly LARGE. This is powdered toast comparatively. The other 9200 losses are combat ships not used for major trade hauling anyway, mainly BC's and Destroyers. More than 1/4 are Capsules. http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=143
I remember the night of April 26th (about 7:00 PM PDT), I had some minerals to sell in Jita. And then being surprised by the time dilation factor. I made it to a station to dock, sell my stuff and depart. I was heading to my other base and had initiated a jump. As I was aligning and preparing to warp, I noticed some kind of beam hitting my ship, not a weapon, but I thought it might have been some kind of scan. About 3 seconds later, I warped.
I had no idea Burn Jita started early and I guess I'm lucky to have gotten out then. But I didn't go near there for a while, I merely continued to mine and stockpile my ore and minerals until I could fly in. |

Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
14
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:54:00 -
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Sendo Jarix wrote:It hasn't finished yet and you are completely overlooking the surrounding systems where people leaving Jita were caught.
Except I manged to get in and out unscathed.  |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
224
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:55:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:I remember the night of April 26th (about 7:00 PM PDT), I had some minerals to sell in Jita. And then being surprised by the time dilation factor. I made it to a station to dock, sell my stuff and depart. I was heading to my other base and had initiated a jump. As I was aligning and preparing to warp, I noticed some kind of beam hitting my ship, not a weapon, but I thought it might have been some kind of scan. About 3 seconds later, I warped.
I had no idea Burn Jita started early and I guess I'm lucky to have gotten out then. But I didn't go near there for a while, I merely continued to mine and stockpile my ore and minerals until I could fly in. Fear not, you're safe now! Reimbursements for burn jita and thus burn jita itself officially ended at 23:59 on the 29th.  |
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