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Apollo Gabriel	Posted - 2009.03.16 17:13:00 - [31] so I should email CCP and say you broke my video card? Heh, I wish it were that simple. Fly Safe.
Jabezhane	Posted - 2009.03.16 19:06:00 - [32] Edited by: Jabezhane on 16/03/2009 19:06:48 The thing to be wary of laptop folks is that often GPUs in laptops arent cooled with a heatsink and fan. Often its just the chip with a fan over it a couple of mm above or just a heatsink. You rarely get both. I found that enabling vsync and triple buffering in the GPU menu thereby reducing the fps to a pretty much fixed 60fps worked a treat some time ago. This is with an old 7900GTX.
eFart	Posted - 2009.03.16 19:42:00 - [33] lol @ yo laptop but u can write 2 ccp say u hav evidence
Ordais	Posted - 2009.03.17 05:55:00 - [34] i suggest using "profiles" for EVE (video card options). Best way to get heat-problems under control. I can play 3x EVE premium clients with my 4870 tuned DOWN (underclocked) and with that saving power and the card running cooler. To switch modes is just a hotkey combination. I would suggest that for laptops too, but the problem here is that the GFX probably doesnt have enough power.
John Hollow Minmatar Afterisk	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Cors HINT: When idleing in a station, hit ESC. If you listen, you'll hear your GPU's Fan slow down. Something in the station environments kicks all my video card's fans up to max. I assume it's something in the station is taxing the GPU heavily. CCP: Find out what it is that's causeing this, and fix it please. When in space, my vid card temps are around 35C. When in station it ramps up to 80C. This is on a GTX 260 896 megs of ram, in an Antec 900 case with 3 120mm fans on high, and 1 200mm fan on high. My CPU temps are between IDLE 30C and 40C Max load. My "Old" PC does the same.. sorta.. It has a passive heatsink, in the same antech 900 case with the same fans on max speed. Its GPU normally idles at 37C and max's at 43C in space. In stations it "idles" at 82C. CPU Temps on this PC are 28C and 39C Idle/max. Running over 80 degrees can definetally be dangerous for some cards. Keep in mind ATI are more prone to breaking at high temps, so be extra careful with these. I would suggest to anyone playing eve to download rivatuner and watch your temps. You can also underclock your card with the program to help save the life when running something as intensive as the polygon count of eve :).
Jephir	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:53:00 - [36] EVE killed my laptop video card too. I believe it is caused by uncapped framerates, since the same problem in a different game fried my card too.
Xalabaster	Posted - 2009.03.17 19:18:00 - [37] Same here...! Although the expansion is exciting, I got the exact same problems which never occured with the older client. My laptop (Dell XPS M1710) emergency shuts down due to overheating after a couple minutes of playtime, especially when docked on station. Interestingly, I never have this effect with any other games such as MS Flight Simulator X or other graphic intensive games. @CCP, the current "lowest" settings are not enough, please give us the possibility to disable the station lights and any other settings. I just bought this laptop half a year ago and don't accept that Eve is the only game crashing the machine like that. Something is definitely wrong here...
Amida Ta German Mining and Manufacture Corp.	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Grez Interval one has a major flaw though. If your graphics card cannot output one frame every time your monitor refreshes, then it will half the frames, so one every two refreshes, and if it cant do that, it'll half it again, like so. 60 > 30 > 15 > 8 > 4 > 2 > 1 Thats wrong. It will be 60 > 30 > 20 > 15 > 12 > 10 Also note that these are theoretical values that you would only get if your scene is constant. However this is quite unlikely in eve. Originally by: Grez So if your machine isn't powerful enough to draw 30, it'll draw 15, if it can't draw 15, it'll draw 8, etc, etc. Interval default doesn't do this, and ends up more like: 60, 55, 71, 51, 34, 15, 71, 57, 41, 81 - ie, it just depends how fast your graphics card is working. But, it will work your graphics card as hard as it possibly can. Interval one will let your graphics card 'rest' whilst it waits for the next screen refresh. You should also mention that you can get tearing (because of half-finished frames) with interval immediate. So if you compare interval default and immediate then a 30fps immediate is really visually equal to 15fps default. I don't really understand why CCP has interval immediate as default. It simply does not make much sense except in some corner cases. _________________________ EveAI.Live - The EVE-Online API/class library for .Net, C# and VB.Net
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Jephir EVE killed my laptop video card too. I believe it is caused by uncapped framerates, since the same problem in a different game fried my card too. Laptops especially shouldn't run in interval immediate... the heat is bad for the hardware.
Anton Marx Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Xalabaster Same here...! Although the expansion is exciting, I got the exact same problems which never occured with the older client. My laptop (Dell XPS M1710) emergency shuts down due to overheating after a couple minutes of playtime, especially when docked on station. Interestingly, I never have this effect with any other games such as MS Flight Simulator X or other graphic intensive games. @CCP, the current "lowest" settings are not enough, please give us the possibility to disable the station lights and any other settings. I just bought this laptop half a year ago and don't accept that Eve is the only game crashing the machine like that. Something is definitely wrong here... I feel your pain mate. I totally agree with you and I also struggle to even type in chat windows when docked.... My laptop is a year and a half old too. Was mid-high specced when I bought it @ September 2007. Fortunately, my GPU hasn't fried yet, but I am unable to play EVE because I am getting a severe FPS drop the second I initiate warp. After much investigation (and no, CCP doesn't lift a finger to help out - my bugreport is still unfiltered and my petition got a classic copypasta "upgrade your drivers response") I figured out it's because of non-optimized engine on CCP's part. As I said in a few other threads about Apocrypha and laptops: EVE-ONLINE is all but playable on laptops right now. Which, (and I beg the laptop-hater trolls to excuse me) is simply stupid and irresponsible. DESTROYED Against ALL Authorities ?????! (c) Ivan Wise

Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Xalabaster Same here...! Although the expansion is exciting, I got the exact same problems which never occured with the older client. My laptop (Dell XPS M1710) emergency shuts down due to overheating after a couple minutes of playtime, especially when docked on station. Interestingly, I never have this effect with any other games such as MS Flight Simulator X or other graphic intensive games. @CCP, the current "lowest" settings are not enough, please give us the possibility to disable the station lights and any other settings. I just bought this laptop half a year ago and don't accept that Eve is the only game crashing the machine like that. Something is definitely wrong here... I feel your pain mate. I totally agree with you and I also struggle to even type in chat windows when docked.... My laptop is a year and a half old too. Was mid-high specced when I bought it @ September 2007. Fortunately, my GPU hasn't fried yet, but I am unable to play EVE because I am getting a severe FPS drop the second I initiate warp. After much investigation (and no, CCP doesn't lift a finger to help out - my bugreport is still unfiltered and my petition got a classic copypasta "upgrade your drivers response") I figured out it's because of non-optimized engine on CCP's part. As I said in a few other threads about Apocrypha and laptops: EVE-ONLINE is all but playable on laptops right now. Which, (and I beg the laptop-hater trolls to excuse me) is simply stupid and irresponsible. Unless it's a gaming laptiop you really have nothing to moan about.
Anton Marx Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Xalabaster Same here...! Although the expansion is exciting, I got the exact same problems which never occured with the older client. My laptop (Dell XPS M1710) emergency shuts down due to overheating after a couple minutes of playtime, especially when docked on station. Interestingly, I never have this effect with any other games such as MS Flight Simulator X or other graphic intensive games. @CCP, the current "lowest" settings are not enough, please give us the possibility to disable the station lights and any other settings. I just bought this laptop half a year ago and don't accept that Eve is the only game crashing the machine like that. Something is definitely wrong here... I feel your pain mate. I totally agree with you and I also struggle to even type in chat windows when docked.... My laptop is a year and a half old too. Was mid-high specced when I bought it @ September 2007. Fortunately, my GPU hasn't fried yet, but I am unable to play EVE because I am getting a severe FPS drop the second I initiate warp. After much investigation (and no, CCP doesn't lift a finger to help out - my bugreport is still unfiltered and my petition got a classic copypasta "upgrade your drivers response") I figured out it's because of non-optimized engine on CCP's part. As I said in a few other threads about Apocrypha and laptops: EVE-ONLINE is all but playable on laptops right now. Which, (and I beg the laptop-hater trolls to excuse me) is simply stupid and irresponsible. Unless it's a gaming laptiop you really have nothing to moan about. Unless you provide some proof and logic to your one-liner, you can simply hide in in your e-cave. DESTROYED Against ALL Authorities ?????! (c) Ivan Wise
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Xalabaster Same here...! Although the expansion is exciting, I got the exact same problems which never occured with the older client. My laptop (Dell XPS M1710) emergency shuts down due to overheating after a couple minutes of playtime, especially when docked on station. Interestingly, I never have this effect with any other games such as MS Flight Simulator X or other graphic intensive games. @CCP, the current "lowest" settings are not enough, please give us the possibility to disable the station lights and any other settings. I just bought this laptop half a year ago and don't accept that Eve is the only game crashing the machine like that. Something is definitely wrong here... I feel your pain mate. I totally agree with you and I also struggle to even type in chat windows when docked.... My laptop is a year and a half old too. Was mid-high specced when I bought it @ September 2007. Fortunately, my GPU hasn't fried yet, but I am unable to play EVE because I am getting a severe FPS drop the second I initiate warp. After much investigation (and no, CCP doesn't lift a finger to help out - my bugreport is still unfiltered and my petition got a classic copypasta "upgrade your drivers response") I figured out it's because of non-optimized engine on CCP's part. As I said in a few other threads about Apocrypha and laptops: EVE-ONLINE is all but playable on laptops right now. Which, (and I beg the laptop-hater trolls to excuse me) is simply stupid and irresponsible. Unless it's a gaming laptiop you really have nothing to moan about. Unless you provide some proof and logic to your one-liner, you can simply hide in in your e-cave. I dont have to it's a fact that gaming laptops are made for playing games hence the name if your trying to play games on a non gaaming laptop you have noone to moan to except yourself.
Anton Marx Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I dont have to it's a fact that gaming laptops are made for playing games hence the name if your trying to play games on a non gaaming laptop you have noone to moan to except yourself. That's both arrogant and ignorant. So you're saying that no "normal" laptop (and I don't even want to stress that it's a dual-core laptop with 2 GB RAM and 256MB dedicated video memory) should be able to run any graphic-"intensive" game? Or simply an MMO for that matter? You've never seen WOW run on a 500Ç laptop? DESTROYED Against ALL Authorities ?????! (c) Ivan Wise
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:44:00 - [45] Gaming Laptop ??? Are there such things. Next people will tell us that Eve has sound. Regards Al "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I dont have to it's a fact that gaming laptops are made for playing games hence the name if your trying to play games on a non gaaming laptop you have noone to moan to except yourself. That's both arrogant and ignorant. So you're saying that no "normal" laptop (and I don't even want to stress that it's a dual-core laptop with 2 GB RAM and 256MB dedicated video memory) should be able to run any graphic-"intensive" game? Or simply an MMO for that matter? You've never seen WOW run on a 500Ç laptop? Not at all I am saying though, that if you have a non gaming laptop and it doesnt play a game you want to play you have no one to moan at except yourself.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Al Thorr Gaming Laptop ??? Are there such things. Next people will tell us that Eve has sound. Regards Al It continually amazes me the amount of people who have never heard of google or any similar search engine.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:48:00 - [48] Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 18/03/2009 00:48:34 http://www.rockdirect.com/ top result when googling gaming laptop You even get a 30 day trial of eve when buying a gasp GAMING LAPTOP.
Anton Marx Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I dont have to it's a fact that gaming laptops are made for playing games hence the name if your trying to play games on a non gaaming laptop you have noone to moan to except yourself. That's both arrogant and ignorant. So you're saying that no "normal" laptop (and I don't even want to stress that it's a dual-core laptop with 2 GB RAM and 256MB dedicated video memory) should be able to run any graphic-"intensive" game? Or simply an MMO for that matter? You've never seen WOW run on a 500Ç laptop? Not at all I am saying though, that if you have a non gaming laptop and it doesnt play a game you want to play you have no one to moan at except yourself. You are missing the point. There are certain things/issues/problems that render the game unplayable. Playable = executing everyday ingame tasks without any apparent tech-related difficulty Everyone with a (non-gaming) laptop experiences it in a different fashion and this all came down when Apocrypha ironically and literally "hit the shelves". Not to mention that my specs fall under the RECOMMENDED specs for running EVE-ONLINE: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124 I don't see a "YOU NEED TO HAVE A GAMING LAPTOP IF YOU WANT TO PLAY EVE-ONLINE NORMALLY" DESTROYED Against ALL Authorities ?????! (c) Ivan Wise
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I dont have to it's a fact that gaming laptops are made for playing games hence the name if your trying to play games on a non gaaming laptop you have noone to moan to except yourself. That's both arrogant and ignorant. So you're saying that no "normal" laptop (and I don't even want to stress that it's a dual-core laptop with 2 GB RAM and 256MB dedicated video memory) should be able to run any graphic-"intensive" game? Or simply an MMO for that matter? You've never seen WOW run on a 500Ç laptop? Not at all I am saying though, that if you have a non gaming laptop and it doesnt play a game you want to play you have no one to moan at except yourself. You are missing the point. There are certain things/issues/problems that render the game unplayable. Playable = executing everyday ingame tasks without any apparent tech-related difficulty Everyone with a (non-gaming) laptop experiences it in a different fashion and this all came down when Apocrypha ironically and literally "hit the shelves". Not to mention that my specs fall under the RECOMMENDED specs for running EVE-ONLINE: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124 I don't see a "YOU NEED TO HAVE A GAMING LAPTOP IF YOU WANT TO PLAY EVE-ONLINE NORMALLY" Recommended specs are generally tailored towards desktops which arte completely different beasts when comapared to laptops you will find that most GAMINGLAPTOPS are composed of desktop components whereas most 'general laptops' aren't.

Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Chribba So interval levels do what? Interval level 1 = same max FPS as your v-snyc of your monitor. As most flatscreen run with 59 or 60 hz your max FPS will be 59 or 60. Interval 2 doubles the posible FPS. You still can max see 59 or 60 but internal your GPU renders 118 or 120 max. Default = 0 = disable. So if your card can render 1232134234 FPS ... it will do ... and die . ------------- But I have the same problem. Before the patch I nearly never heared the fan of my grafix. Now it starts to twist even while doing nothing sitting at a station :(. 8800 GT here. Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 00:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Jack Jombardo Originally by: Chribba So interval levels do what? Interval level 1 = same max FPS as your v-snyc of your monitor. As most flatscreen run with 59 or 60 hz your max FPS will be 59 or 60. Interval 2 doubles the posible FPS. You still can max see 59 or 60 but internal your GPU renders 118 or 120 max. Default = 0 = disable. So if your card can render 1232134234 FPS ... it will do ... and die . ------------- But I have the same problem. Before the patch I nearly never heared the fan of my grafix. Now it starts to twist even while doing nothing sitting at a station :(. 8800 GT here. Interval 2 actually halves your fps not doubles it
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2009.03.18 01:12:00 - [53] Yes thank you very much changed my interval to 1 and now run cool and a solid 60 FPS. CCP you should sticky this and tell people to change there settings if need be.
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2009.03.18 01:20:00 - [54] Sigh.. I shouldnt get involved but what the heck :) quoted"Recommended specs are generally tailored towards desktops which arte completely different beasts when comapared to laptops you will find that most GAMINGLAPTOPS are composed of desktop components whereas most 'general laptops' aren't." Actually , with the greatest respect you will find that the higher end laptops have more specific modules attached. As to them being "desktop components" - you will find that they have been throttled back to stop the afformention components generating the laptop killer - ie heat.(usually why they stick the obligatory "M" some where near their names.) Just because you see the same number involved in their description for example 9800 does not mean thay have the same performance of their desktop bretheren. eg A Porsche 911 limited to 50mph , although still a Porsche - could still be beaten by a fiat punto. Well Im off to do other stuff. Regards Al "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.18 01:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Al Thorr Sigh.. I shouldnt get involved but what the heck :) quoted"Recommended specs are generally tailored towards desktops which arte completely different beasts when comapared to laptops you will find that most GAMINGLAPTOPS are composed of desktop components whereas most 'general laptops' aren't." Actually , with the greatest respect you will find that the higher end laptops have more specific modules attached. As to them being "desktop components" - you will find that they have been throttled back to stop the afformention components generating the laptop killer - ie heat.(usually why they stick the obligatory "M" some where near their names.) Just because you see the same number involved in their description for example 9800 does not mean thay have the same performance of their desktop bretheren. eg A Porsche 911 limited to 50mph , although still a Porsche - could still be beaten by a fiat punto. Well Im off to do other stuff. Regards Al No sorry your completely wrong i'm sorry you and so many others are unable to use search engines.
Apollo Gabriel	Posted - 2009.03.18 05:15:00 - [56] hmmm I was joking when I said Eve killed my card, but I was getting oddly high frame rates and sitting in station got my machine super hot so I turned off Eve. An hour later my card stopped functioning... That really sucks that a game can crash my hardware. I can't really blame CCP, but I am not sure I want to risk another laptop to this game. Is this type of thing common? or is this an Eve exclusive?
Ordais	Posted - 2009.03.18 05:47:00 - [57] Edited by: Ordais on 18/03/2009 05:50:33 @guy with the "gaming-laptop" tic: its a marketing frase invented when they started giving laptops real GPUs (nvidia/ati). they are not designed to run this at maximum, normally they are severly tuned down, and even then they run hot and the laptop has to throttle back. As long as laptops dont have fluid-cooling this will always be a problem. I salute you for beeing glued by marketing. @rest Blame your hardware, not CCP. The problem is that laptops (and other hardware) are not designed to run at 100% output for a long time, with the right programms you can kill any normal desktop, too. PPL can build their rigs to be prime-stable, needs good cooling and good components. Force your GPUs to render in v-sync mode, or ingame with interval 1, thats the only way. If that doesnt help, UNDERCLOCK your hardware even further. You can do this all software side, use your grafic-settings, or if nothing else helps, rivatuner. @guys with broken down laptops go to your store and show them that the laptop cant handle EVE, demand a refund or a better model. Blame it on them, if you have prove they will change it (dont let them talk you into a repair, wont solve the problem).
Hopey Gallente L.O.S.T. Industries	Posted - 2009.03.18 16:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel hmmm I was joking when I said Eve killed my card, but I was getting oddly high frame rates and sitting in station got my machine super hot so I turned off Eve. An hour later my card stopped functioning... That really sucks that a game can crash my hardware. I can't really blame CCP, but I am not sure I want to risk another laptop to this game. Is this type of thing common? or is this an Eve exclusive? are you still able to get ingame, Apollo, or was that your only machine? \|~~~~~~~~~~~\| Hopey CEO & Founder, L.O.S.T. Industries \|~~~~\|
Apollo Gabriel	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:57:00 - [59] Hello Hopey Sadly it was my only machine with a nice enough video card to run Eve, so I thought. I have another machine which allows me to log on and do some tasks, but isn't a gaming machine. I am traveling atm, so when I return I will see what I can't figure out, perhaps a motherboard replacement is possible, not sure. I really was amazed that it just died after I was playing Eve, I had no idea it was over heating etc, first time with that headache. Apollo
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:43:00 - [60] Yeah, ccp should set interval 1 as default. My old graphics card burned out due to this. Its a pretty serious problem imo considering how much people spend on graphics cards. Fortunately my old card was crappy so it didn't make much difference to me



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