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Binah 369
Multiverse Corporation
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.03.16 11:48:00 -
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Little secret for you guys.....
People who need the bpc will definitely pay 5mil per 5run copy. The copying and reselling of Cap Ship Component BPO's is a highly specialized industry. Not everyone can afford the initial 15-20billion isk that it takes to get a full set of Cap Ship Component BPO's. Therefore, the ball is in our court. They will pay, pretty much, whatever price we set for them. (within reason).
The reason why I am saying this is because I see alot of resellers thinking that they are "crafty" and smart by undercutting everyone else and selling them for 3.5mil, 2.7mil (I have even seen them as low as 1.4mil) a piece. Did you forget how much you paid for them in the first place??!! Or did you get your set off ebay? If you got your set off ebay, or by buying isk, I can see why you might not care how much you sell them for. But, for those of us who worked hard to get that start up capital to buy/research the BPO's, we DO care.
If each of us hold strong to our prices (and don't budge), believe me....you will get 5mil (or God forbid more) for your hard earned bpc. It might take a FEW days to sell, and you may have to resubmit a FEW contracts....but, in the end you will be making WAY more money than if you would sell them for 3.5mil and think that you are a market genius.
What? Are ppl gonna stop losing and buying cap ships? Highly unlikely. Get a clue and lets work together to make some of our hard earned isk back; rather, than have ppl chuckle to themselves every time they get a steal (and that is what it is, a steal) when they pick up a Cap Ship Component BPC for 3.5mil, the whole time thinking, "sucker, i would have paid 8mil".
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Frosty Nuggetz
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:13:00 -
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I'll share a secret, too. Like any other consumer product -- the best price wins.
My main worked hard, too, for years to achieve "his" collection of Cap Ship Component BPO's...but, as I see it, supply is currently greater than demand as more and more players are able to afford the cost of getting into this kind of venture.
You might also consider another strategy to your business, too. Like going direct to potential customers (eg, 0.0 alliances) and offering to get some sort of supply deal going.
Innovation is key!
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:50:00 -
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As last poster pointed out best price wins. I would also like to add, that often the alternative is having those BPO's sitting in station and doing outright nothing.
Ofc it would be outright dumb to sell very cheap if one would be able to sell at 5 mil per print. The question is however will it sell certainly over that 2 week period your contract can last. Depending on the answer to that question you opposition is either dumb or smarter.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:52:00 -
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Another thing to consider. Price your BPCs high enough and your prospective customer will be far more motivated to not produce or get a BPO of their own.
If by some miracle you managed to get all the component BPO owners to price fix you'd simply accelerate the rate of migrating customers to BPO ownership. And at that point you're back to undercut, stockpile, or gather dust.
Just like with other markets you have the option to buy out the "fools" and re-price. If this doesn't seem appealing then you know the lowball prices are fair and you were simply enjoying unrealistically high profits caused by lack of competition before.
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Shintai
Gallente
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.03.16 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 16/03/2009 14:40:39
As already started there is a few issues:
A: When finished goods are cheaper than BPC+build.
B: When the ROI on a BPO is within reason instead of BPCs.
I also want 500mio for each Ishtar I make..sadly I dont get that anymore. The capital market is becoming mainstream and hence lower margins.
Anyway your issue is primary A. Since I can make 10-20mio a day on a component BPO in profit making parts (Or a ROI in matter of a few months). How many 5 run BPCs can you make a day? Haw haw...
Capital BPCs will always be the loser due to copy time vs manufactoring time.
So to the OP *hint hint* Start build instead of copying.
You will NEVER get the old value on BPCs back. BPCs will only be made when you for some reason cant manufactor yourself for higher profit.
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:56:00 -
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I started off buying the BPC to manufacture from, then as people like you tried to raise the prices or there just wasn't any copies I moved to buy my own. Now I have all the capital BPO components myself.
So be careful on how you price things as you can not only lose your customers but also push those former customers into competition.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:54:00 -
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A lot of people in EVE Price themselves out of the market, this is one of them.
Don't be mistaken, if you're selling 5 run BPCs for 5mil you'll quickly find that people that need them the most will eventually just buy the BPO.
This is something I've noticed for a lot of items. while the price is very high and people are selling small amounts at high prices. This not only paints a big fat juice target on your product by others wanting to get in on the action. It also breeds contempt with your customers. Eventually they will simply bypass you altogether.
Recently I became very aggressive in an area of EVE that was suffering from price gouging. After polling local for a week I found out that the local market just doesn't buy these products they make them themselves, because it's cheaper. So I started my marketing and dropped the price on a lot of items some down 300% over regional average.
What happened? After about two weeks I now have almost a 5 jump radius around me buying those products from me. When I asked some of the people they said "I use to make them but at these prices why bother...." I've been slowly raising the price to what I believe is the "Sweet-Spot", the area where, other marketers/manufactures say "Not worth the effort" and Customers say "Yeah that's worth my time savings"
While you think people will buy 5runs for 5mil, I would bet MORE people would buy 5run for 2.5mil. Never EVER assume that just because someone buys something at one price doesn't mean EVERYONE will. I'd rather sell 100 5 run BPCs for 2.5mil then 30 5run BPCs for 5mil.
Volume Volume Volume, if you have slow movement you're doing it all wrong.
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Xeoniya
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Posted - 2009.03.16 18:13:00 -
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Note: Based on watching Everyshore Market, experiences may vary by region
A lot of it is expectation: 4.5 mil per 5 run for most of the common parts has become the norm, so must buyer will not pay 5 mil. At 4.5 mil you will prob get a sale within a few days (waiting to see if they can pick it up in the high 2's or 3's), and anything lower (high 2's and 3's) will get a more timely sale as it perceived to be a good value.
Many of the bulk sales surprisingly end up costing as much or more per unit than individually, and auctions don't really seem to really work as capital bpc are a fairly common item with a stable price.
I am unsure how the packaged sets sell, but they seem like a nice idea though mostly they are for Charons while the market here is more tuned to Oblisks.
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