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Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:58:00 - [1] this is the first time i ever saw this is a MMO. y can't we train multiple account?? isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship so am sure there is a good reason for that , i wanna hear it and am announcing right now i don't like the idea and i wold love to be able to train some skills in my alts without having to buy another account p.s it's good ISK sink Caz if u want your alt to be good u need to spend more ISK then he makes and u can't log 2 toons at the same time so it won't overload the population
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:59:00 - [2] To stop people training up alts to then later sell for isk if you want to do that you have to buy another account.
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:00:00 - [3] Edited by: Jana Clant on 17/03/2009 14:00:24 You know you can pause your training on one character and start on another, right? This is the same as any other MMO. You can't use the same account to level up several characters simultaneously, can you? New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Jana Clant Edited by: Jana Clant on 17/03/2009 14:00:24 You know you can pause your training on one character and start on another, right? This is the same as any other MMO. You can't use the same account to level up several characters simultaneously, can you? Actually yes every other mmo i can think of lets you do this but you haver to remember every other mmo you need to play to lvl.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:03:00 - [5] Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:04:00 - [6] Or just do your drones+armor on your missle+shield char, there's nothing stopping you from training whatever you want on your main to make it skilled in all fields. Secure 3rd party service

Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2009 14:05:11 Originally by: Folen Death y can't we train multiple account?? You can, if you actually have multiple accounts. Can you think of a game that lets you play/train several characters from the same account at the same time? Quote: isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? Unfortunately yes. Quote: eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . Are you kidding me?! EVE encourages alts like there's no tomorrow. Quote: in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) You can do the same thing here. Just change characters. The point you're missing is that, unlike those other games, you train in EVE 24/7 by setting a skill. That is the equivalent of loggin in on another character and playing it in other games. To do the same in EVE, just pick another character and start training it. Quote: in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship …or you can train drones and armour tanking on your caldari. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Jana Clant Edited by: Jana Clant on 17/03/2009 14:00:24 You know you can pause your training on one character and start on another, right? This is the same as any other MMO. You can't use the same account to level up several characters simultaneously, can you? Actually yes every other mmo i can think of lets you do this but you haver to remember every other mmo you need to play to lvl. Really? Last time I checked, WoW forced you to stop leveling your main character and log off so that you can switch to your alt in order to level it. It's the same concept here, except that the "leveling" process continues even when you are logged off. Only one character on the account may progress at a time. You can always stop progression temporarily and progress another character. However, since all skills are available to all characters, the need for alts on a single account is drastically reduced.
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:10:00 - [9] Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because ,
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Folen Death in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship So train them on your main. My Caldari main has excellent missile and drone skills because I took the time to train them :)
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros My Caldari main has excellent missile and drone skills because I took the time to train them :) I'm caldari and I can't use missiles… I also suck at shield tanking. Oh, and as an addendum to the "change faction" complaint — you don't need an alt to change factions in this game. Get your head out of the "race/class/alignment" mindset and stop believing you're limited in what you can do. If you want to try something, just go do it — the door is wide open. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Folen Death this is the first time i ever saw this is a MMO. y can't we train multiple account?? isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship so am sure there is a good reason for that , i wanna hear it and am announcing right now i don't like the idea and i wold love to be able to train some skills in my alts without having to buy another account p.s it's good ISK sink Caz if u want your alt to be good u need to spend more ISK then he makes and u can't log 2 toons at the same time so it won't overload the population You know how while you're playing your Death Knight, that your Hunter doesn't get any XP? Well then.
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:20:00 - [13] It is obvious that you are / were a wow player. First off welcome to eve. Second, take everything you think you know about mmos that you learned from wow and forget it. There is very little, if any, comparison. Your character is just a portrait, you can train anything on any character to do any role / profession. No game will let you progress 2 characters on the same account at the same time (that i know of. There may be some asian games that arent popular here, but meh). Secondly, lose the wow shorthand. third, dont ever compare eve to wow, many people around here get cranky when that happens. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Folen Death Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because , Good grief. How hard is it to type out words fully? Forget it. I know this is going nowhere. Sadly.
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:24:00 - [15] i think were not on the same page: lvling in eve = making ISK. skills != lvls caz u can play and not train your skills and train your skill without playing. in ISK: u need to play to make ISK. and about selling alts for ISK: if u can do this alts prices will go down , so it will stay the same , but pple will tain alts so if your bored with the caldari u can try other faction and about training drones + armor tank: will most lowbie caldari ships don't have drone bay or good ability to armor tank. so u say : train other races ships and use them will am a nob and am still learning basic skills and need couple of months to start experimenting. and one more advantage to alts that in every other MMO and is helpful to CCP: alts make u try the different races and diced what kind of game play u want, so u won't get bored as fast. now if am bored with my main i won't last for long and i will quit, but if i have an alt i will spend couple more months training him so i may miss my old main or like the new play style and can continues playing and making the game fun for other gamers and more profitable for CCP (even thought i think that CCP likes the game 2 much so it's not all about $$ , caz this is the most invested MMO i ever played , with news and videos and blogs...)
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2009 14:33:31 Originally by: Folen Death lvling in eve = making ISK. No. There are no levels. Quote: skills != lvls Correct. There are no levels. Quote: caz u can play and not train your skills and train your skill without playing. in ISK: u need to play to make ISK. Incorrect. You can make ISK without playing. Also, there are no levels. Quote: will am a nob and am still learning basic skills and need couple of months to start experimenting. Ugh… Yes, starting with learning skills is a good way to optimize. It's a thoroughly useless way to play EVE, though. If you actually want to play the game, you should wait a while with those skills until you know what you want and what you need. Nothing will make you bored of EVE faster than spending your first couple of weeks training learning skills. Quote: alts make u try the different races and diced what kind of game play u want, so u won't get bored as fast. And for that reason you don't actually need alts in EVE (or, well… it's rather the opposite: you need alts in EVE, but not for those reasons) — you can do it all on one character. Again: take everything you've learned from other MMOs — especially the fantasy kind — and throw it in the bin. It does not apply here. If you've played Planetside, then some tiiiiiiny details may be retained, but not enough to matter. There are no levels that restrict you. There are no races to restrict you. There are no classes that restrict you. There are no alignments that restrict you. You are free to make any and every choice you would like to make and run with it. It's all your choice. Oh, did I mention that there are no levels? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:35:00 - [17] Originally by: brinelan It is obvious that you are / were a wow player. First off welcome to eve. Second, take everything you think you know about mmos that you learned from wow and forget it. There is very little, if any, comparison. Your character is just a portrait, you can train anything on any character to do any role / profession. No game will let you progress 2 characters on the same account at the same time (that i know of. There may be some asian games that arent popular here, but meh). Secondly, lose the wow shorthand. third, dont ever compare eve to wow, many people around here get cranky when that happens. lol 1) i consider my self a anarchy-online player u think a wow kid cold like this game . 2) i have played WOW for about a month , heard so much bad stuff about it i had to try it (Had a lvl 36 warlock ) u can training anything on your char but from what i have hared even the toon that started from beta don't have all skills maxed and that in eve u need to specialize , so i won't stop my training or start training bull**** stuff tell i have all my combat skills at least to lvl 4. and i agree eve is different from any other MMO i have ever played , it's acutely good for me , not 2 simple and doesn't discriminate against casual players and it's even trying to force me to play with other chars. instead of my solo player mentality witch is nice
Corwain	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:42:00 - [18] There are many people that enjoy EVE so much that they pay money to buy an additional account to play when their main becomes "boring" or if they just want to experience a new role. You can train whatever you want on any character, but to train everything on one character would take more than 20 years last I heard. You can cut this down to 10 years with 2 characters, and 5 years with 4. CCPs game design forces you to work together with other players to accomplish even the most simple tasks, often with one character doing something very mundane repetitive. This encourages one player to just use an alt for that half of the task. This pattern has repeated itself throughout CCPs game design to the point that it is common for everyone to have at least 1 alt. I have 3 accounts myself, I had a friend tell me that he could barely afford to play anymore now that he has a girlfriend. I thought he only had 2-3 accounts (from the alts I had interacted with him through ingame). Turns out he has like 6 accounts. I knew his probing/scouting, combat and combat capital pilots but he had manufacturing pilots, research pilots, mining pilots, and freighter pilots as well. So you may leave over something like this and claim it is bad game design, but for every 1 newbie that closes his 1 account there is a vet with 6 accounts. I think CCP is doing fine! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2009 14:33:31 Originally by: Folen Death lvling in eve = making ISK. No. There are no levels. Quote: skills != lvls Correct. There are no levels. Quote: caz u can play and not train your skills and train your skill without playing. in ISK: u need to play to make ISK. Incorrect. You can make ISK without playing. Also, there are no levels. Quote: will am a nob and am still learning basic skills and need couple of months to start experimenting. Ughà Yes, starting with learning skills is a good way to optimize. It's a thoroughly useless way to play EVE, though. If you actually want to play the game, you should wait a while with those skills until you know what you want and what you need. Nothing will make you bored of EVE faster than spending your first couple of weeks training learning skills. Quote: alts make u try the different races and diced what kind of game play u want, so u won't get bored as fast. And for that reason you don't actually need alts in EVE (or, wellà it's rather the opposite: you need alts in EVE, but not for those reasons) ù you can do it all on one character. Again: take everything you've learned from other MMOs ù especially the fantasy kind ù and throw it in the bin. It does not apply here. If you've played Planetside, then some tiiiiiiny details may be retained, but not enough to matter. There are no levels that restrict you. There are no races to restrict you. There are no classes that restrict you. There are no alignments that restrict you. You are free to make any and every choice you would like to make and run with it. It's all your choice. Oh, did I mention that there are no levels? 1) i like your kisses , i think your funny 2)can u please define lvling??
Nessaden Minmatar The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:48:00 - [20] I think many on EVE would appreciate it if you would write with proper grammar and spelling, and not use shorthands for words such as "y" and "u."
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:48:00 - [21] y cnt u lern 2 spel do0d ????????????
X3R0N Caldari Sacred Templars Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:52:00 - [22] Edited by: X3R0N on 17/03/2009 14:52:14 Originally by: Gneeznow y cnt u lern 2 spel do0d ???????????? Oh Gawd my eyes Oh and, pay for some more accounts, it will make your life in EVE easier and funnier Reading these forums is kinda like watching a car crash is super slo-mo. Fascinating at first, but rapidly becoming appalling... yet you can't quite tear yourself away!
Nigel Sheldon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:53:00 - [23] passes dummy back to disgruntled WoW player
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Folen Death on 17/03/2009 15:00:43 Originally by: Nessaden I think many on EVE would appreciate it if you would write with proper grammar and spelling, and not use shorthands for words such as "y" and "u." lol your rigth of-course English isn't even my 2nd language and being on line for more that 10 years will leave a Mark on my writing (net slang) p.s i have been trying to improve my English but habits die hard ;) now back to the topic at hand please (so wanted to write plz ).
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Folen Death 1) i consider my self a anarchy-online player u think a wow kid cold like this game . 2) i have played WOW for about a month , heard so much bad stuff about it i had to try it (Had a lvl 36 warlock ) u can training anything on your char but from what i have hared even the toon that started from beta don't have all skills maxed and that in eve u need to specialize , so i won't stop my training or start training bull** stuff tell i have all my combat skills at least to lvl 4. you are right, nobody had completed all skills to max, and yes you should specialise. That dosen't mean drone are only for gallente, and yes drones on a caldari boat (even 1) have their use. Armor tanking, drones, railguns etc arent bs at all. I am a caldari pilot, pretty specced out, however I am doing some training into other races command ships. Its all about flying what you like to fly, and not necesarily sticking to one race. Quote:** and i agree eve is different from any other MMO i have ever played , it's acutely good for me , not 2 simple and doesn't discriminate against casual players and it's even trying to force me to play with other chars. instead of my solo player mentality witch is nice It does decriminate against people who A) dont pay attention and B) cant think for themselves. However, paying attention and not falling into the trap of thinkign that any part of space is safe and you be on your way to enjoyign the game. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:11:00 - [26] in WoW can you train on both alts at the same time? No, didnt think so either Though, in hindsight; I really should put in some sort of spacer between my post and signature
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Corwain I had a friend tell me that he could barely afford to play anymore now that he has a girlfriend. I thought he only had 2-3 accounts (from the alts I had interacted with him through ingame). Turns out he has like 6 accounts. Amen to that, although I only have one account and I find time is the big issue, let alone money. I dunno, but I want to play games to enjoy myself and have a laugh - having 6 accounts to worry about and fret over just seems to much like work for me :)
SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:17:00 - [28] Quote: now back to the topic at hand please What is the topic at hand? There are no levels in Eve. You cant (and shouldn't) train two characters at once on the same account, which is no different than any other MMO. Thuh end. Everything is skill based, and there are a billion different skills. Mix and match the ones you like or need. There are no parallels to Wow...EVE is about as different as you can get while staying in the MMO genre. (Reunification is Coming)
MidnightMartyr Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Folen Death Edited by: Folen Death on 17/03/2009 15:00:43 Originally by: Nessaden I think many on EVE would appreciate it if you would write with proper grammar and spelling, and not use shorthands for words such as "y" and "u." lol your rigth of-course English isn't even my 2nd language and being on line for more that 10 years will leave a Mark on my writing (net slang) p.s i have been trying to improve my English but habits die hard ;) now back to the topic at hand please (so wanted to write plz ). Protip: If you had written like this in the first place you would have gotten more serious responses.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:25:00 - [30] Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 17/03/2009 15:26:07 I didn't bother to read your post. You know why? Two things: 1. You obviously didn't bother enough to type it correctly. I don't bother to read what people do not bother to present to me in a readable manner. Netslang, contrary to popular belief, does not make you look cool. 2. It's obvious you do not grasp the concept of sandbox. (3). Yes I am an *****. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.**

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