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Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:58:00 - [1] this is the first time i ever saw this is a MMO. y can't we train multiple account?? isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship so am sure there is a good reason for that , i wanna hear it and am announcing right now i don't like the idea and i wold love to be able to train some skills in my alts without having to buy another account p.s it's good ISK sink Caz if u want your alt to be good u need to spend more ISK then he makes and u can't log 2 toons at the same time so it won't overload the population
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:59:00 - [2] To stop people training up alts to then later sell for isk if you want to do that you have to buy another account.
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:00:00 - [3] Edited by: Jana Clant on 17/03/2009 14:00:24 You know you can pause your training on one character and start on another, right? This is the same as any other MMO. You can't use the same account to level up several characters simultaneously, can you? New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Jana Clant Edited by: Jana Clant on 17/03/2009 14:00:24 You know you can pause your training on one character and start on another, right? This is the same as any other MMO. You can't use the same account to level up several characters simultaneously, can you? Actually yes every other mmo i can think of lets you do this but you haver to remember every other mmo you need to play to lvl.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:03:00 - [5] Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:04:00 - [6] Or just do your drones+armor on your missle+shield char, there's nothing stopping you from training whatever you want on your main to make it skilled in all fields. Secure 3rd party service

Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2009 14:05:11 Originally by: Folen Death y can't we train multiple account?? You can, if you actually have multiple accounts. Can you think of a game that lets you play/train several characters from the same account at the same time? Quote: isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? Unfortunately yes. Quote: eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . Are you kidding me?! EVE encourages alts like there's no tomorrow. Quote: in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) You can do the same thing here. Just change characters. The point you're missing is that, unlike those other games, you train in EVE 24/7 by setting a skill. That is the equivalent of loggin in on another character and playing it in other games. To do the same in EVE, just pick another character and start training it. Quote: in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship …or you can train drones and armour tanking on your caldari. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Jana Clant Edited by: Jana Clant on 17/03/2009 14:00:24 You know you can pause your training on one character and start on another, right? This is the same as any other MMO. You can't use the same account to level up several characters simultaneously, can you? Actually yes every other mmo i can think of lets you do this but you haver to remember every other mmo you need to play to lvl. Really? Last time I checked, WoW forced you to stop leveling your main character and log off so that you can switch to your alt in order to level it. It's the same concept here, except that the "leveling" process continues even when you are logged off. Only one character on the account may progress at a time. You can always stop progression temporarily and progress another character. However, since all skills are available to all characters, the need for alts on a single account is drastically reduced.
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:10:00 - [9] Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because ,
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Folen Death in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship So train them on your main. My Caldari main has excellent missile and drone skills because I took the time to train them :)
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros My Caldari main has excellent missile and drone skills because I took the time to train them :) I'm caldari and I can't use missiles… I also suck at shield tanking. Oh, and as an addendum to the "change faction" complaint — you don't need an alt to change factions in this game. Get your head out of the "race/class/alignment" mindset and stop believing you're limited in what you can do. If you want to try something, just go do it — the door is wide open. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Folen Death this is the first time i ever saw this is a MMO. y can't we train multiple account?? isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship so am sure there is a good reason for that , i wanna hear it and am announcing right now i don't like the idea and i wold love to be able to train some skills in my alts without having to buy another account p.s it's good ISK sink Caz if u want your alt to be good u need to spend more ISK then he makes and u can't log 2 toons at the same time so it won't overload the population You know how while you're playing your Death Knight, that your Hunter doesn't get any XP? Well then.
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:20:00 - [13] It is obvious that you are / were a wow player. First off welcome to eve. Second, take everything you think you know about mmos that you learned from wow and forget it. There is very little, if any, comparison. Your character is just a portrait, you can train anything on any character to do any role / profession. No game will let you progress 2 characters on the same account at the same time (that i know of. There may be some asian games that arent popular here, but meh). Secondly, lose the wow shorthand. third, dont ever compare eve to wow, many people around here get cranky when that happens. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Folen Death Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because , Good grief. How hard is it to type out words fully? Forget it. I know this is going nowhere. Sadly.
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:24:00 - [15] i think were not on the same page: lvling in eve = making ISK. skills != lvls caz u can play and not train your skills and train your skill without playing. in ISK: u need to play to make ISK. and about selling alts for ISK: if u can do this alts prices will go down , so it will stay the same , but pple will tain alts so if your bored with the caldari u can try other faction and about training drones + armor tank: will most lowbie caldari ships don't have drone bay or good ability to armor tank. so u say : train other races ships and use them will am a nob and am still learning basic skills and need couple of months to start experimenting. and one more advantage to alts that in every other MMO and is helpful to CCP: alts make u try the different races and diced what kind of game play u want, so u won't get bored as fast. now if am bored with my main i won't last for long and i will quit, but if i have an alt i will spend couple more months training him so i may miss my old main or like the new play style and can continues playing and making the game fun for other gamers and more profitable for CCP (even thought i think that CCP likes the game 2 much so it's not all about $$ , caz this is the most invested MMO i ever played , with news and videos and blogs...)
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2009 14:33:31 Originally by: Folen Death lvling in eve = making ISK. No. There are no levels. Quote: skills != lvls Correct. There are no levels. Quote: caz u can play and not train your skills and train your skill without playing. in ISK: u need to play to make ISK. Incorrect. You can make ISK without playing. Also, there are no levels. Quote: will am a nob and am still learning basic skills and need couple of months to start experimenting. Ugh… Yes, starting with learning skills is a good way to optimize. It's a thoroughly useless way to play EVE, though. If you actually want to play the game, you should wait a while with those skills until you know what you want and what you need. Nothing will make you bored of EVE faster than spending your first couple of weeks training learning skills. Quote: alts make u try the different races and diced what kind of game play u want, so u won't get bored as fast. And for that reason you don't actually need alts in EVE (or, well… it's rather the opposite: you need alts in EVE, but not for those reasons) — you can do it all on one character. Again: take everything you've learned from other MMOs — especially the fantasy kind — and throw it in the bin. It does not apply here. If you've played Planetside, then some tiiiiiiny details may be retained, but not enough to matter. There are no levels that restrict you. There are no races to restrict you. There are no classes that restrict you. There are no alignments that restrict you. You are free to make any and every choice you would like to make and run with it. It's all your choice. Oh, did I mention that there are no levels? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:35:00 - [17] Originally by: brinelan It is obvious that you are / were a wow player. First off welcome to eve. Second, take everything you think you know about mmos that you learned from wow and forget it. There is very little, if any, comparison. Your character is just a portrait, you can train anything on any character to do any role / profession. No game will let you progress 2 characters on the same account at the same time (that i know of. There may be some asian games that arent popular here, but meh). Secondly, lose the wow shorthand. third, dont ever compare eve to wow, many people around here get cranky when that happens. lol 1) i consider my self a anarchy-online player u think a wow kid cold like this game . 2) i have played WOW for about a month , heard so much bad stuff about it i had to try it (Had a lvl 36 warlock ) u can training anything on your char but from what i have hared even the toon that started from beta don't have all skills maxed and that in eve u need to specialize , so i won't stop my training or start training bull**** stuff tell i have all my combat skills at least to lvl 4. and i agree eve is different from any other MMO i have ever played , it's acutely good for me , not 2 simple and doesn't discriminate against casual players and it's even trying to force me to play with other chars. instead of my solo player mentality witch is nice
Corwain	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:42:00 - [18] There are many people that enjoy EVE so much that they pay money to buy an additional account to play when their main becomes "boring" or if they just want to experience a new role. You can train whatever you want on any character, but to train everything on one character would take more than 20 years last I heard. You can cut this down to 10 years with 2 characters, and 5 years with 4. CCPs game design forces you to work together with other players to accomplish even the most simple tasks, often with one character doing something very mundane repetitive. This encourages one player to just use an alt for that half of the task. This pattern has repeated itself throughout CCPs game design to the point that it is common for everyone to have at least 1 alt. I have 3 accounts myself, I had a friend tell me that he could barely afford to play anymore now that he has a girlfriend. I thought he only had 2-3 accounts (from the alts I had interacted with him through ingame). Turns out he has like 6 accounts. I knew his probing/scouting, combat and combat capital pilots but he had manufacturing pilots, research pilots, mining pilots, and freighter pilots as well. So you may leave over something like this and claim it is bad game design, but for every 1 newbie that closes his 1 account there is a vet with 6 accounts. I think CCP is doing fine! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2009 14:33:31 Originally by: Folen Death lvling in eve = making ISK. No. There are no levels. Quote: skills != lvls Correct. There are no levels. Quote: caz u can play and not train your skills and train your skill without playing. in ISK: u need to play to make ISK. Incorrect. You can make ISK without playing. Also, there are no levels. Quote: will am a nob and am still learning basic skills and need couple of months to start experimenting. Ughà Yes, starting with learning skills is a good way to optimize. It's a thoroughly useless way to play EVE, though. If you actually want to play the game, you should wait a while with those skills until you know what you want and what you need. Nothing will make you bored of EVE faster than spending your first couple of weeks training learning skills. Quote: alts make u try the different races and diced what kind of game play u want, so u won't get bored as fast. And for that reason you don't actually need alts in EVE (or, wellà it's rather the opposite: you need alts in EVE, but not for those reasons) ù you can do it all on one character. Again: take everything you've learned from other MMOs ù especially the fantasy kind ù and throw it in the bin. It does not apply here. If you've played Planetside, then some tiiiiiiny details may be retained, but not enough to matter. There are no levels that restrict you. There are no races to restrict you. There are no classes that restrict you. There are no alignments that restrict you. You are free to make any and every choice you would like to make and run with it. It's all your choice. Oh, did I mention that there are no levels? 1) i like your kisses , i think your funny 2)can u please define lvling??
Nessaden Minmatar The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:48:00 - [20] I think many on EVE would appreciate it if you would write with proper grammar and spelling, and not use shorthands for words such as "y" and "u."
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:48:00 - [21] y cnt u lern 2 spel do0d ????????????
X3R0N Caldari Sacred Templars Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:52:00 - [22] Edited by: X3R0N on 17/03/2009 14:52:14 Originally by: Gneeznow y cnt u lern 2 spel do0d ???????????? Oh Gawd my eyes Oh and, pay for some more accounts, it will make your life in EVE easier and funnier Reading these forums is kinda like watching a car crash is super slo-mo. Fascinating at first, but rapidly becoming appalling... yet you can't quite tear yourself away!
Nigel Sheldon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:53:00 - [23] passes dummy back to disgruntled WoW player
Folen Death Caldari Titanium Guard Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Folen Death on 17/03/2009 15:00:43 Originally by: Nessaden I think many on EVE would appreciate it if you would write with proper grammar and spelling, and not use shorthands for words such as "y" and "u." lol your rigth of-course English isn't even my 2nd language and being on line for more that 10 years will leave a Mark on my writing (net slang) p.s i have been trying to improve my English but habits die hard ;) now back to the topic at hand please (so wanted to write plz ).
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Folen Death 1) i consider my self a anarchy-online player u think a wow kid cold like this game . 2) i have played WOW for about a month , heard so much bad stuff about it i had to try it (Had a lvl 36 warlock ) u can training anything on your char but from what i have hared even the toon that started from beta don't have all skills maxed and that in eve u need to specialize , so i won't stop my training or start training bull** stuff tell i have all my combat skills at least to lvl 4. you are right, nobody had completed all skills to max, and yes you should specialise. That dosen't mean drone are only for gallente, and yes drones on a caldari boat (even 1) have their use. Armor tanking, drones, railguns etc arent bs at all. I am a caldari pilot, pretty specced out, however I am doing some training into other races command ships. Its all about flying what you like to fly, and not necesarily sticking to one race. Quote:** and i agree eve is different from any other MMO i have ever played , it's acutely good for me , not 2 simple and doesn't discriminate against casual players and it's even trying to force me to play with other chars. instead of my solo player mentality witch is nice It does decriminate against people who A) dont pay attention and B) cant think for themselves. However, paying attention and not falling into the trap of thinkign that any part of space is safe and you be on your way to enjoyign the game. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:11:00 - [26] in WoW can you train on both alts at the same time? No, didnt think so either Though, in hindsight; I really should put in some sort of spacer between my post and signature
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Corwain I had a friend tell me that he could barely afford to play anymore now that he has a girlfriend. I thought he only had 2-3 accounts (from the alts I had interacted with him through ingame). Turns out he has like 6 accounts. Amen to that, although I only have one account and I find time is the big issue, let alone money. I dunno, but I want to play games to enjoy myself and have a laugh - having 6 accounts to worry about and fret over just seems to much like work for me :)
SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:17:00 - [28] Quote: now back to the topic at hand please What is the topic at hand? There are no levels in Eve. You cant (and shouldn't) train two characters at once on the same account, which is no different than any other MMO. Thuh end. Everything is skill based, and there are a billion different skills. Mix and match the ones you like or need. There are no parallels to Wow...EVE is about as different as you can get while staying in the MMO genre. (Reunification is Coming)
MidnightMartyr Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Folen Death Edited by: Folen Death on 17/03/2009 15:00:43 Originally by: Nessaden I think many on EVE would appreciate it if you would write with proper grammar and spelling, and not use shorthands for words such as "y" and "u." lol your rigth of-course English isn't even my 2nd language and being on line for more that 10 years will leave a Mark on my writing (net slang) p.s i have been trying to improve my English but habits die hard ;) now back to the topic at hand please (so wanted to write plz ). Protip: If you had written like this in the first place you would have gotten more serious responses.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:25:00 - [30] Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 17/03/2009 15:26:07 I didn't bother to read your post. You know why? Two things: 1. You obviously didn't bother enough to type it correctly. I don't bother to read what people do not bother to present to me in a readable manner. Netslang, contrary to popular belief, does not make you look cool. 2. It's obvious you do not grasp the concept of sandbox. (3). Yes I am an *****. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.**
Brema Gangrel Caldari b.b.k Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Folen Death Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because , Strange, i always thought that "cos" was net slang/shortcut for because.... maybe its just me.
charming wanderer	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:43:00 - [32] In 'other mmo's' you cannot simultaneously level your flamedaddy along with your whackersmacker, which is just like how it is in eve. I cannot see how you are not seeing that? As for the 'omg im bored of my main..' argument, well maybe eve is not the right game for someone of such a limited attention span hmmmm? And anyway, if you get bored of something that your main is training, you STILL have to take the time to train whatever else it is you wanted to do on that alt, so why not just train it on the main instead?
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:44:00 - [33] With the new influx of "ooh shiny" people buying the box it's gonna be difficult to distinguish between real ret@rds and trolls, moreso than usual. Gonna vote 'troll' on this one. Self-proclaimed idiot
Billy Sastard Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:48:00 - [34] y can't u USE FREAKING ENGLISH!!!!. If you want to get some sort of intelligent discourse in this topic you could at least try to convey your point using proper english, hell I am not even asking for perfect grammar, just something that is understandable that doesn't make you look like a 13 year old who is too lazy to type the 2 extra letters in the words 'you' and 'why'... <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Folen Death u think a wow kid cold like this game . 2) i have played WOW for about a month ... ...Had a lvl 36 warlock ) ..... u can training anything on your char but from what i have hared even the toon that started from beta don't have all skills maxed and that in eve u need to specialize , so i won't stop my training or start training bull**** stuff tell i have all my combat skills at least to lvl 4. 3 things. So obviously a wowtard. If you are embarrased why are you proud of your 'achievement'. and now to be nice... You could train a few levels of learning AND your gunnery skills to 4 in less time than it would take if you didn't train your learning skills. Thats more SP over less time. One other thing. Although people have tried to explain this already... unless you like to roleplay in game, whatever race and background you start eve with ONLY AFFECTS YOUR PORTRAIT. You can start as Amarr and never use one of their ships in your life. In a couple of years would you rather have one character with 25-30m skillpoints, or three characters with 9m sp each and mostly the same basic and support skills trained 3x. That's stupid. Once you go beyond the basic skills needed, you can train for any ship / industry / activity you like. You are not locked into a career like some fantasy MMO character. Any skill in the game is available to you.
Mithos Victus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.03.17 16:03:00 - [36] I call shenanigans. The OP has received corroborating testimony from a group of his peers on why simultaneous training in EVE is not allowed but persists in arguing against a straw man stance that no one here has taken. He is either fishing for attention in general, as he does not really seem to actually be interested in the answer, or he is a troll, and is fanning the flames for his own personal amusement. Either way, it does not belong here. You have your answer. Logging different characters is to traditional MMOs as pausing and resuming training is to EVE Online. /thread _______________________________________________ [...a lion lurking in the plain]
Free Folen	Posted - 2009.03.17 16:56:00 - [37] Edited by: Free Folen on 17/03/2009 16:58:00 Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 17/03/2009 16:00:19 3 things. So obviously a wowtard. If you are embarrased why are you proud of your 'achievement'. and now to be nice... You could train a few levels of learning AND your gunnery skills to 4 in less time than it would take if you didn't train your learning skills. Thats more SP over less time. One other thing. Although people have tried to explain this already... unless you like to roleplay in game, whatever race and background you start eve with ONLY AFFECTS YOUR PORTRAIT. You can start as Amarr and never use one of their ships in your life. In a couple of years would you rather have one character with 25-30m skillpoints, or three characters with 9m sp each and mostly the same basic and support skills trained 3x. That's stupid. It actually means you can do LESS than if you put all the points into training your main since, like I said, you are doing all the prerequisite training on each of your alts, so a 28 day skill done once on your main, or 3x for your alts. how does that help? Once you go beyond the basic skills needed, you can train for any ship / industry / activity you like. You are not locked into a career like some fantasy MMO character. Any skill in the game is available to you. lol you obviously haven't played WOW wow is easy game , u can reach lvl 80 in a month , it took me a month to reach lvl 36 am not proud of my 'achievement' because it's not an 'achievement' ;) and am arguing because i want to lvl my alt so much am fishing for a good reason ;) and again being an inter-web veteran and forums fan makes me immune to flames so am for the trolls like superman is for lex Luther but you guys got a good point ;) i still want to lvl my alt without buying another account ;) have fun and take it easy.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.03.17 17:01:00 - [38] for the $$$ simultaneous training --> you needn't to sign for a 2nd account --> ccp loses potential $$$ u want to play 3 ubertrained awesome characters, u sign for 3 accounts. You may pay them with isk (600-700m a month for 2 characters)
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2009.03.17 17:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Free Folen lol you obviously haven't played WOW wow is easy game , u can reach lvl 80 in a month , it took me a month to reach lvl 36 am not proud of my 'achievement' because it's not an 'achievement' ;) and am arguing because i want to lvl my alt so much am fishing for a good reason ;) and again being an inter-web veteran and forums fan makes me immune to flames so am for the trolls like superman is for lex Luther but you guys got a good point ;) i still want to lvl my alt without buying another account ;) have fun and take it easy. I dont remember seeing leveling added in the last patch.. did I miss that in the patch notes? Besides, the point of alts is not for a different race, but a utility character like a cyno alt, or a research alt, or industry alt or mining alt.. basically a different profession. but hey whatever. youre hung up on wow... we get that. Whatever you do, please dont go making posts abotu how you want the game to be more like wow.. theres already a few posts like that from new players already that I saw today. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Ivan Kinsikor Amarr Void Engineers	Posted - 2009.03.17 17:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Free Folen lol you obviously haven't played WOW wow is easy game , u can reach lvl 80 in a month , it took me a month to reach lvl 36 am not proud of my 'achievement' because it's not an 'achievement' ;) and am arguing because i want to lvl my alt so much am fishing for a good reason ;) and again being an inter-web veteran and forums fan makes me immune to flames so am for the trolls like superman is for lex Luther but you guys got a good point ;) i still want to lvl my alt without buying another account ;) have fun and take it easy. HOW I MINE FISH???? ---------------------------------------- *****es don't know 'bout my nano'd Titan ----------------------------------------
Scyala	Posted - 2009.03.17 17:58:00 - [41] Edited by: Scyala on 17/03/2009 17:58:02 Originally by: brinelan I dont remember seeing leveling added in the last patch.. did I miss that in the patch notes? Really? you missed that? It said clearing "In this version we give you the option to level your character. You can get as high as level 80. You must download this new version of the client at www.wow.com and GET OUT OF MY GAME YOU LEVELING B$$TARDS"
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII To stop people training up alts to then later sell for isk if you want to do that you have to buy another account. This is a stupid response - and I agree with the Op .. its a money grab. Think about it for a second .. we all have 3 characters ... per account. If we all trained characters to sell - what would happen the market? Thats right - it would become saturated and the bottom would fall out. Remember supply/demand? Fact is there is a market for characters simply because we can't train more than one per account - and that is stupid.
Holy Lowlander Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:04:00 - [43] so this is what happens if you put eve in a box ?
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:08:00 - [44] Edited by: Ms Delerium on 17/03/2009 18:07:59 No, its not stupid. You dont want to pay for play. That annoys you. You want to get the ultimate "toons team" and make awesome profits ingame. A miner, a pvper, a trader, a hauler, an industrialist... and so on. All this for free. Fail. You want that advantage you gonna pay for it. Many people do. I heard of a dude who got 11 accounts and affords them all with isk. Its relatively easy to pay some characters with isk when your main is about 1 year old. (6 months if you are active enough at gaming) And finally, many "useful alts" dont require too much training skill time. And now you got the 2x speed bonus for new characters... c'mon its fair enough imo. cheers.
Virum Acuedalla Amarr Darkstar Industrial SIRRIUS.	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:08:00 - [45] Originally by: brinelan It is obvious that you are / were a wow player. First off welcome to eve. Second, take everything you think you know about mmos that you learned from wow and forget it. There is very little, if any, comparison. Your character is just a portrait, you can train anything on any character to do any role / profession. No game will let you progress 2 characters on the same account at the same time (that i know of. There may be some asian games that arent popular here, but meh). Secondly, lose the wow shorthand. third, dont ever compare eve to wow, many people around here get cranky when that happens. QFT. And to quote a wise old friend, "You must unlearn what you have learned." or "I'm not afraid!"...../menacing "You will be....you will be...." Under new ownership
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:19:00 - [46] Edited by: Eventy One on 17/03/2009 18:20:05 What's somewhat silly about the 'defenders' of this obvious money grab .. is the claim that some how the critics of it are being selfish. That's not the case. The reason I'm a critic of it has a number of facets: No one yet has shown why its necessary (the market idea defence doesn't cut it) It is reasonable, for the human paying for the account, to want to experience different aspects to the game without having to purchase more accounts EVE rocks - but even so, looser games like Wow and Guild Wars are able to provide additional characters It is a money grab - plain and simple - designed to boost the apparent size of the player base I wouldn't be against it if there where legitimate reasons. If it technically weren't possible, or something else, but the reasons CCP gives, and players defend are often shallow and poorly thought out - and obviously contrived. As a player, although I like my primary character, I do want to try out the Amarr, or the Minmatar, without having to purchase a second account. I already commit a great deal of time to developing my character, and to develop a second or third character simultaneously would not detract from that, or reduce my playing time. The only reason it is not permitted currently, is because CCP gets additional accounts from me, if I'm serious about experiencing other races or playing styles in EVE. It is this that causes there to be a need for the marketing and sale of trained characters. If this arbitrary rule did not exist - that market for characters would disappear largely.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Eventy One What's somewhat silly about the 'defenders' of this obvious money grab .. is the claim that some how the critics of it are being selfish. How is it a money grab? Or, rather, so what if it's a money grab? It's how MMOs work — why do you expect CCP to do it any differently than everyone else? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Sillas Cov Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:30:00 - [48] We gamers approach eve to maximize our fun. Eve is a business and will do whatever it takes to maximize its profits while providing you, the gamer, just enough Fun, to both stay in business and increase revenues. EVERYTHING IN THE GAME DESIGN, OVER THE LONG RUN, WILL SUCCUMB TO THIS FINANCIAL IMPERATIVE. Eve bean counters know this and use GTCs and multi accounts to pull revenue from us, regardless of how it potentially compromises our wallets or freedom within the game. I love this game and understand how much it actually costs to run a busines.... its a huge expense!! So I want CPP to be profitable, but I get frustrated when I see that they are being manipulative of their customers. I would suggest a compromise in that we could train at 1/2 speed on our other chars.... Onward
Mithos Victus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.03.17 20:50:00 - [49] CCP coded EVE so your skills, which takes hours, days, weeks, and months to train will continue to train while you are not even playing the game. Anyone who thinks this is not enough (and not a generous system), should really consider just not posting, period. It waters the forums down with dribble. _______________________________________________ [...a lion lurking in the plain]
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Holy Lowlander so this is what happens if you put eve in a box ? Sir, you have my respect.
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:34:00 - [51] This is why Boxed eve was a bad idea
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:34:00 - [52] Originally by: Sillas Cov We gamers approach eve to maximize our fun. Eve is a business and will do whatever it takes to maximize its profits while providing you, the gamer, just enough Fun, to both stay in business and increase revenues. EVERYTHING IN THE GAME DESIGN, OVER THE LONG RUN, WILL SUCCUMB TO THIS FINANCIAL IMPERATIVE. Eve bean counters know this and use GTCs and multi accounts to pull revenue from us, regardless of how it potentially compromises our wallets or freedom within the game. I love this game and understand how much it actually costs to run a busines.... its a huge expense!! So I want CPP to be profitable, but I get frustrated when I see that they are being manipulative of their customers. I would suggest a compromise in that we could train at 1/2 speed on our other chars.... Onward False. That is only one way to market a business. It's very clearly the design of mass-market productions, like WalMart, McDonalds, Ford and WoW. However, there are others. I know, they don't make as much sense to someone who only sees 'MOAR MONEY' as the only reason to make a business. But plenty of businesses take pride in their product, and produce high-quality services for niche markets. Specialty stores, actual restaurants, even small business gaming. Red Lobster doesn't have near as many customers as McDonalds, but do you think it's not successful? Or do you consider that it will start selling burgers and open up a drive thru window in order to get a piece of that McD's business? CCP can be entirely successful by producing a product true to their ideals and goals, a high-quality and amazing product. A product that appeals to MANY consumers who have kept and supported this game for years, and many more who haven't realize just yet what EvE is and how much they'll love it. You don't have to cut you're nuts off to be profitable. Nor do you have to sell out. If you make a solid, well-done product ... you will continue to be profitable. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Eventy One Edited by: Eventy One on 17/03/2009 18:20:05 What's somewhat silly about the 'defenders' of this obvious money grab .. is the claim that some how the critics of it are being selfish. That's not the case. The reason I'm a critic of it has a number of facets: No one yet has shown why its necessary (the market idea defence doesn't cut it) It is reasonable, for the human paying for the account, to want to experience different aspects to the game without having to purchase more accounts EVE rocks - but even so, looser games like Wow and Guild Wars are able to provide additional characters It is a money grab - plain and simple - designed to boost the apparent size of the player base I wouldn't be against it if there where legitimate reasons. If it technically weren't possible, or something else, but the reasons CCP gives, and players defend are often shallow and poorly thought out - and obviously contrived. As a player, although I like my primary character, I do want to try out the Amarr, or the Minmatar, without having to purchase a second account. I already commit a great deal of time to developing my character, and to develop a second or third character simultaneously would not detract from that, or reduce my playing time. The only reason it is not permitted currently, is because CCP gets additional accounts from me, if I'm serious about experiencing other races or playing styles in EVE. It is this that causes there to be a need for the marketing and sale of trained characters. If this arbitrary rule did not exist - that market for characters would disappear largely. You can do all that. Simply stop training the one character, and start training the second or third. You can't level more than one charater per account at the exact same time in any other game. Think of it like this way: If you want, don't start training a character until you log into them. Stop training when you log out. Then, you can treat it exactly like any other game. The character only progresses when you're online, since having one character progress at a time while your NOT online seems to be the breaking point in understanding for you. There's no difference, not really. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon You can do all that. Simply stop training the one character, and start training the second or third. You can't level more than one charater per account at the exact same time in any other game. Think of it like this way: If you want, don't start training a character until you log into them. Stop training when you log out. Then, you can treat it exactly like any other game. The character only progresses when you're online, since having one character progress at a time while your NOT online seems to be the breaking point in understanding for you. There's no difference, not really. A tired argument. What rationale do you use for NOT allowing players to train any or all of the characters they pay for simultaneously?
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:43:00 - [55] Edited by: Ruze Ahkor''Murkon on 17/03/2009 22:44:03 Originally by: Eventy One Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon You can do all that. Simply stop training the one character, and start training the second or third. You can't level more than one charater per account at the exact same time in any other game. Think of it like this way: If you want, don't start training a character until you log into them. Stop training when you log out. Then, you can treat it exactly like any other game. The character only progresses when you're online, since having one character progress at a time while your NOT online seems to be the breaking point in understanding for you. There's no difference, not really. A tired argument. What rationale do you use for NOT allowing players to train any or all of the characters they pay for simultaneously? In what MMO on the market can you progress two or more characters simultaneously? On the same account, that is. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Eventy One Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon You can do all that. Simply stop training the one character, and start training the second or third. You can't level more than one charater per account at the exact same time in any other game. Think of it like this way: If you want, don't start training a character until you log into them. Stop training when you log out. Then, you can treat it exactly like any other game. The character only progresses when you're online, since having one character progress at a time while your NOT online seems to be the breaking point in understanding for you. There's no difference, not really. A tired argument. What rationale do you use for NOT allowing players to train any or all of the characters they pay for simultaneously? You don't pay for characters though you pay for an account and access to the servers.
Mr Ignitious R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:48:00 - [57] CBA to read this thread that seems fail, but here is the easiest argument: You CAN train up your alts like any other MMO. In wow if you have alts on your account you can still only be logged into it in one place which means you can ONLY play ONE of your characters at any given moment. This has the EXACT same effect as what you saw in Eve, you can only advance one character at a time. In WoW if you COULD train both simultaneously it would mean you could have 2 different comps on the same account playing 2 of your toons at the same time, which isn't the case for obvious reasons (stops people from sharing their account so someone doesn't have to pay) The DIFFERENCE is that advancement in eve is FAR slower and less noticeable. Thus it means the advantage of surrendering training time on your "main" isn't worth it in eve where as in WoW you can cap out your character in like... a month. Noone in eve has reached the SP cap yet, the closest someone is is i think 150m? or so. Point is though, because of the rate at which you progress in eve is so different to WoW it isn't usually worth it. Exceptions I have found are giving up a month or so to make an alt that can fly transport ships or something. Nice for pirates so they can have an alt that can move ships for them through high sec without issues =) Oh, and clones get DAMN expensive. If you don't mind having to redo learning then you could essentially get 50m SP or so and start a new character to keep pod cost down. Ofc this ruins the whole epeen effect of "i gots a bamillion spzorsss" which really doesn't actually mean anything because its actually pretty easy to cap out in a specific role... i digress: Reason you can't train 2: It would effectively mean you're playing 2 characters on 1 account at the same time which is silly. Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.18 08:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Eventy One A tired argument. What rationale do you use for NOT allowing players to train any or all of the characters they pay for simultaneously? So what if it's tired? It's the industry standard for MMOs. Why do you expect CCP to act differently? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.18 08:50:00 - [59] The real questin I'd say is: Can you train skills while you mantrain? --- Need a new signature?
Belmarduk Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.18 08:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon In what MMO on the market can you progress two or more characters simultaneously? On the same account, that is. This and a single post that has "y" and "caz" and "wow" is considered unclean on these holy Forums.Dear OP please return to Wow.Thankyou Greetings Belmarduk Mainchar:
Ralle030583 Eve Service Corp	Posted - 2009.03.18 08:59:00 - [61] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 18/03/2009 09:06:41 Originally by: Mr Ignitious CBA to read this thread that seems fail, but here is the easiest argument: You CAN train up your alts like any other MMO. In wow if you have alts on your account you can still only be logged into it in one place which means you can ONLY play ONE of your characters at any given moment. This has the EXACT same effect as what you saw in Eve, you can only advance one character at a time. In WoW if you COULD train both simultaneously it would mean you could have 2 different comps on the same account playing 2 of your toons at the same time, which isn't the case for obvious reasons (stops people from sharing their account so someone doesn't have to pay) The DIFFERENCE is that advancement in eve is FAR slower and less noticeable. Thus it means the advantage of surrendering training time on your "main" isn't worth it in eve where as in WoW you can cap out your character in like... a month. Noone in eve has reached the SP cap yet, the closest someone is is i think 150m? or so. Point is though, because of the rate at which you progress in eve is so different to WoW it isn't usually worth it. Exceptions I have found are giving up a month or so to make an alt that can fly transport ships or something. Nice for pirates so they can have an alt that can move ships for them through high sec without issues =) Oh, and clones get DAMN expensive. If you don't mind having to redo learning then you could essentially get 50m SP or so and start a new character to keep pod cost down. Ofc this ruins the whole epeen effect of "i gots a bamillion spzorsss" which really doesn't actually mean anything because its actually pretty easy to cap out in a specific role... i digress: Reason you can't train 2: It would effectively mean you're playing 2 characters on 1 account at the same time which is silly. best post sofar :-) nothing to add you cant lvl different chars on some account in any game...
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.03.18 09:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Folen Death this is the first time i ever saw this is a MMO. y can't we train multiple account?? isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship so am sure there is a good reason for that , i wanna hear it and am announcing right now i don't like the idea and i wold love to be able to train some skills in my alts without having to buy another account p.s it's good ISK sink Caz if u want your alt to be good u need to spend more ISK then he makes and u can't log 2 toons at the same time so it won't overload the population Its the first time you've ever seen this in an MMO? Please tell me, what MMOs have you been playing that allow you to "level" multiple characters on the same account at the EXACT same time? I'm curious. -Karlemgne My sig don't fracking work.
Primnproper	Posted - 2009.03.18 09:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Billy Sastard y can't u USE FREAKING ENGLISH!!!!. If you want to get some sort of intelligent discourse in this topic you could at least try to convey your point using proper english, hell I am not even asking for perfect grammar, just something that is understandable that doesn't make you look like a 13 year old who is too lazy to type the 2 extra letters in the words 'you' and 'why'... Its an international game the guy has already said english is not his first language. So why don't you leave the poor trolls language skills alone. Oh and Originally by: Billy Sastard that doesn't make you look like a 13 year old who is too lazy to type the 2 extra letters in the words 'you' and 'why'... Pot, kettle black Originally by: Billy Sastard y can't u ... Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Ranik Sandaris Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.18 10:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Folen Death Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because , Hey baby....fancy seeing you here.
Bethulsunamen Viziam	Posted - 2009.03.18 10:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Folen Death this is the first time i ever saw this is a MMO. y can't we train multiple account?? isn't it normal for any MMO that u have alts??? eve is the only game that doesn't want u to get alts . in all other MMO , if your bored u can go and try an alt in different faction (even in wow where u can change faction even in pvp server (u just change server)) in eve my main in caldari and the first toon i made was gal..(whatever) , so if am bored from missile and shield tanking i can't go drones + armor tanks Caz my alt can't train skills so he is still using the nob ship so am sure there is a good reason for that , i wanna hear it and am announcing right now i don't like the idea and i wold love to be able to train some skills in my alts without having to buy another account p.s it's good ISK sink Caz if u want your alt to be good u need to spend more ISK then he makes and u can't log 2 toons at the same time so it won't overload the population Boring answer: "Because they want to prevent players from having 3 characters, one uber in industry, one uber in pvp and one uber in something else." Real answer: "So you become forced to pay for a second or third account, giving more real-life-isk to CCP and increasing the subscription number, to hide the fact that like half of all subscribers are just alts from the same person" I made most of that up, but im sure its accurate, thats the fun part.
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2009.03.18 10:48:00 - [66] Originally by: FlyinS Originally by: Folen Death Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because , Good grief. How hard is it to type out words fully? Forget it. I know this is going nowhere. Sadly. What's worrying is that they don't seem to be intelligent enough in their 60s-concrete-high-rise-inner-city-slum part of the internet (innit) to realise that 'as' can be substituted for 'because' in all cases. So it's nothing to do with being a 'shortcut'. And I have never seen that, it confused me. He also seems to have lost a lot of letters from his Scrabble bag. Actually, I doubt he knows what Scrabble is, unless it's via Facesmack. </vitriol> -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Kalazar Amarr The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.18 10:56:00 - [67] Wow, 3 pages of replies to an obvious troll. The OP is far too stupid to be serious tbh.
H0RZA	Posted - 2009.03.18 11:21:00 - [68] Edited by: *ZA on 18/03/2009 11:21:26 http://dictionary.reference.com/
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.18 15:33:00 - [69] Originally by: Eventy One Edited by: Eventy One on 17/03/2009 18:20:05 What's somewhat silly about the 'defenders' of this obvious money grab .. is the claim that some how the critics of it are being selfish. That's not the case. The reason I'm a critic of it has a number of facets: No one yet has shown why its necessary (the market idea defence doesn't cut it) It is reasonable, for the human paying for the account, to want to experience different aspects to the game without having to purchase more accounts EVE rocks - but even so, looser games like Wow and Guild Wars are able to provide additional characters It is a money grab - plain and simple - designed to boost the apparent size of the player base I wouldn't be against it if there where legitimate reasons. If it technically weren't possible, or something else, but the reasons CCP gives, and players defend are often shallow and poorly thought out - and obviously contrived. As a player, although I like my primary character, I do want to try out the Amarr, or the Minmatar, without having to purchase a second account. I already commit a great deal of time to developing my character, and to develop a second or third character simultaneously would not detract from that, or reduce my playing time. The only reason it is not permitted currently, is because CCP gets additional accounts from me, if I'm serious about experiencing other races or playing styles in EVE. It is this that causes there to be a need for the marketing and sale of trained characters. If this arbitrary rule did not exist - that market for characters would disappear largely. Didn't read past the 2nd bullet... you can experience every aspect of the game with the same character... that's the difference between EVE and other MMO's you don't need alts for that... plenty of other reasons for em though. There's no difference in trying out Amarr, or Minmatar other then roleplaying reasons... and even then, Caldari joining the Minmatar fight for freedom makes for a good story anwyay. If you want different highly specialized characters, then you pay for it. You can even play em at the same time then.
Discrodia Gallente Independent Miners Guild	Posted - 2009.03.18 15:35:00 - [70] Originally by: Chribba Or just do your drones+armor on your missle+shield char, there's nothing stopping you from training whatever you want on your main to make it skilled in all fields. QFT Also quoting a Chribba post ^_^ ______________________________________________ Discrodia > SILENCE! I KILL YOU! Northern Fall > They're just sleepers disc...
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.03.18 15:49:00 - [71] /me dies. ------------------------ Please do not discuss moderation in your sig - Mitnal
Kaya Ironwood State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.18 16:33:00 - [72] !, listen to what Chribba said. He posted six minutes after you did. Feel honored. As for people not having basic skills maxed blah, blah, check out ineve.net. Click on any of those names on the right side of the page, and you can see that you don't have to be specialized. Welcome to Eve, enjoy the sights, update your clone, and don't fly what you can't afford to loose. Fly safe /o. --------------- "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine
Dyre Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.18 16:46:00 - [73] OP: Did you see the game box at WalMart and go "oooh, shiny spaceships?" Also, did you buy a new flightstick for use with it?
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.18 16:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Dyre OP: Did you see the game box at WalMart and go "oooh, shiny spaceships?" Also, did you buy a new flightstick for use with it? Why ruin, what had been a reasonably intelligent debate with a troll? Some people should learn, "if you have nothing to contribute - remain silent."
P00P	Posted - 2009.03.18 16:53:00 - [75] From my perspective, I like the fact that I have to train only one character. In games like WoW, I would get bored with the quests and grinding and would want to do something else, so I would roll a new character, with which I would get bored, etc., until I had six characters, all with different roles and crafting professions. In Eve, I got bored with mining slow, so I trained mining barge. I got bored with minerals so I trained ice mining. I wanted more so I trained Exhumers, I got bored with mining altogether so I trained my battleship and went into 0.0, where i learned not to go into 0.0 with a shiny new bs with no insurance or backup money. :) I then learned tanking and got my guns up so I could run bigger missions and rat. Then I learned to salvage because that looked like fun too. Exploration looked interesting so I trained that and found all kinds of stuff. Now I am training to hack so I can open stuff that I find when exploring. So now, with ONE character, I can scan a system, kill the rats there, salvage the ships, mine the minerals in peace, and make money at the same time, without having to change characters. Someday I may be interested in PvP or trading, or ten other things that I could do and I will train for these as well. Or I will stick with what I have and make them better. The best part is that my character can do ALL of those things. WoW gave me 6 different roles. Eve gives me ALL roles. You just have to decide how good you want to be at them. I guess what I am saying is that having more than one character is mandatory in other MMO's if you want more than one or two roles. Not so in Eve
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.18 17:03:00 - [76] Just train your main to use gel ships and mods. Sure it will take you a bit. but once its done, you will be able to fly 2 different ships. ---
Arch Miner	Posted - 2009.03.18 17:30:00 - [77] haha, this game incourages alts and cross training more than any other MMO. You can stop training on your main, make a second toon and have him running 9 lines in ~a week.
Dyre Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.18 17:58:00 - [78] Originally by: Eventy One Why ruin, what had been a boring replay of what was an intelligent debate 5 years ago with a troll? Some people should learn, "before you whine about something - eve-search is your friend." Fixed. Sorry I've been seeing this same whine for years from every idiot who buys this game and does not actually think AT ALL about how the game works. Yes, there are a lot of whines about this game that get repeated over and over, but of them all this one really gets under my skin as it shows no only a massive misunderstanding about the nature of eve, but also the "hand me everything on a silver platter" entitlement mentality that has gripped our younger generations. Valid responses were fast. People explained both why it was the way it was AND why it didn't matter anyway (Chribba)... and yet the thread still lives. This never should have made it past page 1. God I'm turning into a grumpy old fart. Damn kids these days.... /em toddles off to find a puppy to kick
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Dyre Originally by: Eventy One Why ruin, what had been a boring replay of what was an intelligent debate 5 years ago with a troll? Some people should learn, "before you whine about something - eve-search is your friend." Fixed. Sorry I've been seeing this same whine for years from every idiot who buys this game and does not actually think AT ALL about how the game works. No doubt you have .. .. simply because there's no business or technological reason to prohibit the training of more than one character per account, and the excuses for prohibiting this have been weak at best. This whine keeps appearing, I suppose, in the faint hope that the idiots who think such prohibitions are awesome and reasonable will one day wake up. They likely won't and so the debate continues.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:17:00 - [80] Originally by: Eventy One Originally by: Dyre Originally by: Eventy One Why ruin, what had been a boring replay of what was an intelligent debate 5 years ago with a troll? Some people should learn, "before you whine about something - eve-search is your friend." Fixed. Sorry I've been seeing this same whine for years from every idiot who buys this game and does not actually think AT ALL about how the game works. No doubt you have .. .. simply because there's no business or technological reason to prohibit the training of more than one character per account, and the excuses for prohibiting this have been weak at best. This whine keeps appearing, I suppose, in the faint hope that the idiots who think such prohibitions are awesome and reasonable will one day wake up. They likely won't and so the debate continues. Hahahah ... you still haven't answered my question. In what MMO on the market can you simultaneously level and advance two characters on the same account? Please, if you know one that I don't, enlighten me. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:23:00 - [81] Edited by: Eventy One on 18/03/2009 18:25:33 Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Hahahah ... you still haven't answered my question. In what MMO on the market can you simultaneously level and advance two characters on the same account? Please, if you know one that I don't, enlighten me. Ya, sorry about that Ruze - I missed it. Take Guild Wars .. a sub-par MMO at best, where you can play for free and develop multiple characters at once. Yes, initially its true you can train, what train, play, develop, 6 or something , but if you buy the expansions its more - that is their business model, but still, you are not restricted to developing a single character at a time. About this idea that you must be online to do it, is not, IMO an argument. This comparison breaks down simply because EVE is the only persistent MMO that I'm aware of (thank you very much stack-less python). EVE is exceptional in that regard, and unique. That the universe continues to exist, that your character does, when you are logged off. Technically, if you can train one character while off-line, you can train more than one - the game mechanics support this feature. The restriction to a single account is arbitrary. In Guild Wars again, you can equally develop multiple characters all the same level, at the same time. Now its not fair to compare EVE to Guild Wars, EVE is simply superior. How about City of Heroes, City of Villians? Same thing applies. There are many MMO's where you are forced to develop only one character and the remainder remain noobs effectively. I can't speak for WoW, as I've never been even mildly interested .. but you get the idea.
Scyala	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Eventy One Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Hahahah ... you still haven't answered my question. In what MMO on the market can you simultaneously level and advance two characters on the same account? Please, if you know one that I don't, enlighten me. Ya, sorry about that Ruze - I missed it. Take Guild Wars .. a sub-par MMO at best, where you can play for free and develop multiple characters at once. Yes initially its what 6 or something, but if you buy the expansions its more - that is their business model, but still, you are not restricted to developing a single character at a time. About this idea that you must be online to do it, is not, IMO an argument. This comparison breaks down simply because EVE is the only persistent MMO that I'm aware of (thank you very much stack-less python). EVE is exceptional in that regard, that the universe continues to exist, that your character does, when you are logged off. Technically, you can train one character while off-line, you can train more than one. In Guild Wars again, you can equally develop multiple characters all the same level, at the same time. Now its not fair to compare EVE to Guild Wars. How about City of Heroes, City of Villians? Same thing applies. I can't speak for WoW, as I've never been even mildly interested .. but you get the idea. So in guild wars when your playing one character and skilling one character (how ever this is done) all you other characters are gaining equil skill levels?
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Scyala So in guild wars when your playing one character and skilling one character (how ever this is done) all you other characters are gaining equil skill levels? It means you can have 6, 20 level characters all at the same time. In City of Heroes in fact that is what most people do .. they have multiple heroes or villians so that the game doesn't get boring, and often they play them at the same time.
Scyala	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Eventy One Edited by: Eventy One on 18/03/2009 18:27:53 Originally by: Scyala So in guild wars when your playing one character and skilling one character (how ever this is done) all you other characters are gaining equil skill levels? It means you can have 6, 20 level characters all at the same time. In City of Heroes in fact that is what most people do .. they have multiple heroes or villians all roughly trained to the same proficiency, so that the game doesn't get boring. You can do the same thing in Eve. You stop skilling one and start skilling a second. You can have them all roughly the same skills. Just like in most MMO's you log out of one character and start playing another. The difference is in Eve there is no point because all characters can learn all skills.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:34:00 - [85] Originally by: Eventy One Edited by: Eventy One on 18/03/2009 18:25:33 Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Hahahah ... you still haven't answered my question. In what MMO on the market can you simultaneously level and advance two characters on the same account? Please, if you know one that I don't, enlighten me. Ya, sorry about that Ruze - I missed it. Take Guild Wars .. a sub-par MMO at best, where you can play for free and develop multiple characters at once. Yes, initially its true you can train, what train, play, develop, 6 or something , but if you buy the expansions its more - that is their business model, but still, you are not restricted to developing a single character at a time. About this idea that you must be online to do it, is not, IMO an argument. This comparison breaks down simply because EVE is the only persistent MMO that I'm aware of (thank you very much stack-less python). EVE is exceptional in that regard, and unique. That the universe continues to exist, that your character does, when you are logged off. Technically, if you can train one character while off-line, you can train more than one - the game mechanics support this feature. The restriction to a single account is arbitrary. In Guild Wars again, you can equally develop multiple characters all the same level, at the same time. Now its not fair to compare EVE to Guild Wars, EVE is simply superior. How about City of Heroes, City of Villians? Same thing applies. There are many MMO's where you are forced to develop only one character and the remainder remain noobs effectively. I can't speak for WoW, as I've never been even mildly interested .. but you get the idea. Wait: I've played COV/COH, and I've played Guild Wars. There is no way possible for me to be using more than one character from the same account. If I'm logged in, I'm only logged in to one at a time. In order for me to progress ANY of those characters, I have to be logged into those characters. What you're asking for is the same as me saying that in GW, no matter what character I am logged in as, all of my toons should get identical exp gain. Doesn't matter what zone, what mission, etc. As long as I'm leveling one, I should level them all. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.18 18:36:00 - [86] Originally by: Eventy One Edited by: Eventy One on 18/03/2009 18:27:53 Originally by: Scyala So in guild wars when your playing one character and skilling one character (how ever this is done) all you other characters are gaining equil skill levels? It means you can have 6, 20 level characters all at the same time. In City of Heroes in fact that is what most people do .. they have multiple heroes or villians all roughly trained to the same proficiency, so that the game doesn't get boring. Start a new EvE account. Spend a month training SP on Eventy Two. Then spend a month doing it on the second character on that account, Eventy Three. Then spend a month doing it on the third character, Eventy Four. You'll do exactly what you can do in any other game. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:16:00 - [87] Originally by: Eventy One there's no business or technological reason to prohibit the training of more than one character per account, and the excuses for prohibiting this have been weak at best. …and you still haven't answered the question: why do you expect CCP to act any different than the rest of the industry in this matter? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kary Savage Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:19:00 - [88] gb2wow
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:37:00 - [89] Been over a week since Apoc launched, now the trolls are getting hungry again. Bets on which dead horse gets flogged next? Mine is on unfairness of PvP. Originally by: Dreximus Originally by: Alowishus These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th
Rivey Osoru Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:39:00 - [90] Originally by: Folen Death Originally by: FlyinS Can someone please tell me what "Caz" means? it's a net slang / shortcut for because , I thought Caz was the name of his alt tbh
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:43:00 - [91] Originally by: Junko Togawa Been over a week since Apoc launched, now the trolls are getting hungry again. Bets on which dead horse gets flogged next? Mine is on unfairness of PvP. That one's a double edged sword .. those who complain about getting ganked anytime/anyplace/anyhow .. and those who complain they can't gank anytime/anyplace/anyhow. Lets pretend you didn't just mention it ok?
Apoctasy The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:44:00 - [92] Troll 2/10 for effot.
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2009.03.18 19:58:00 - [93] Edited by: brinelan on 18/03/2009 20:06:13 Originally by: Eventy One Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon You can do all that. Simply stop training the one character, and start training the second or third. You can't level more than one charater per account at the exact same time in any other game. Think of it like this way: If you want, don't start training a character until you log into them. Stop training when you log out. Then, you can treat it exactly like any other game. The character only progresses when you're online, since having one character progress at a time while your NOT online seems to be the breaking point in understanding for you. There's no difference, not really. A tired argument. What rationale do you use for NOT allowing players to train any or all of the characters they pay for simultaneously? Here you go, in one of the ghost training threads, at least one person (theres more out there im sure) that admitted to having, what, over 10 accoutns solely to train up characters to sell, and they used ghost training to minimise the amount of rl cash they needed to run their operation. THAT is a pretty compelling reason to only allow 1 at a time to train, it discourages that stuff from happening to all but the most dedicated people. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.03.18 22:39:00 - [94] []PvP should be 100% consentual with no real consequences for loss! []PvP should be 100% anytime anywhere and cause your character to get deleted and give me free gametime with each win! []Both because I wanna see people argue more! Check what applies. Originally by: Dreximus Originally by: Alowishus These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th

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