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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Vested Interest
Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious Yes well I'm 21 in college I couldn't afford multiple accounts. Plus that many accounts is nuts even if you have the money my comp couldn't run it.
Last thread you claimed to have multiple accounts but that you "kept them separate"
link please i would like to read that!
i would to
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vested Interest
Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious Yes well I'm 21 in college I couldn't afford multiple accounts. Plus that many accounts is nuts even if you have the money my comp couldn't run it.
Last thread you claimed to have multiple accounts but that you "kept them separate"
Two accounts, two toons - I keep em seperate besides suplmenting Aera with a little extra from mission running. Part of how I keep constant cash flow. Multiple accounts like 3-4 or more (like you) not possible for me.
Round 3 Announced. See first page.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:38:00 -
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link to original thread!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1001491
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Aeragogos Orycheious on 20/03/2009 15:46:22
Originally by: Ji Sama link to original thread!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1001491
lol, you seem to post this like I am hiding it? If you refer to the first page I have this thread linked multiple times. I re-created the thread because it was getting cluttered (lotta good that did lol)
Hoping you guys get bored eventually as I continue to pay out and payout and payout..> just outa curiousity, how long do I need to endure your bantering and fear mongering until you go away lol... If I continue to payout round after round doesnt your argument lose some effect? Hope so -
Those interested in Round 3 can begin contacting me in-game. If of course you think because Jil etc. says I am scammer that I am by all means pass by. If you have tried me out before and gotten paid and are interested try again. If your new and aren't totally warped by the hostile community on MD try it out - I will pay out, and am an honest fella.
I'm done replying and feeding the sheep. Say what you will, but those that have some trust so far have had pretty good results and I believe I can continue to deliver.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious Edited by: Aeragogos Orycheious on 20/03/2009 15:46:22
Originally by: Ji Sama link to original thread!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1001491
lol, you seem to post this like I am hiding it? If you refer to the first page I have this thread linked multiple times. I re-created the thread because it was getting cluttered (lotta good that did lol)
Hoping you guys get bored eventually as I continue to pay out and payout and payout..> just outa curiousity, how long do I need to endure your bantering and fear mongering until you go away lol... If I continue to payout round after round doesnt your argument lose some effect? Hope so -
Those interested in Round 3 can begin contacting me in-game. If of course you think because Jil etc. says I am scammer that I am by all means pass by. If you have tried me out before and gotten paid and are interested try again. If your new and aren't totally warped by the hostile community on MD try it out - I will pay out, and am an honest fella.
I'm done replying and feeding the sheep. Say what you will, but those that have some trust so far have had pretty good results and I believe I can continue to deliver.
nope only linked for convenience, i am not after you :D i am merely looking after my isk...
i have never said you where a scammer... if you keep running your business like this, you will have to reach 10B i think or even more before i would think you legit.. and still then because of your answers here i would not invest.. but hey, you dont need my investment, you have plenty of investors... old established players that vouch for you...
best of luck, i mean that. i was in the exact same position as you the first time i was here in MD, and i made exactly the same mistakes you are.. the difference is that i was willing to learn from these mistakes, you seem hellbend on not learning.... :D
take care...
btw, im not a sheep...
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Chaanii
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:52:00 -
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I've been playing Eve for over a year, and I just recently decided to try and get into investing. And before I did that, I did a lot of reading on these boards.
And quite frankly, I'll stand with the more experienced players and not invest with someone who so adamantly refuses an audit.
You state you do not "trust" an auditor, and therefore you won't use one. How much "trust" are you then asking for from investors?
Just a little on the hypocritical side there?
With an audit from one of those auditors that has all ready "built their reputation" I will happily invest in a corporation that wishes to "build their reputation".
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious Edited by: Aeragogos Orycheious on 20/03/2009 15:46:22
Originally by: Ji Sama link to original thread!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1001491
If your new and aren't totally warped by the hostile community on MD try it out - I will pay out, and am an honest fella.
so now you are hunting the new members.... thats a good sign.... :D
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:54:00 -
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its an oxymoron...
i dont thrust your auditor, but you should thrust me with your isk!
lmao
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
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Daphne Eveningstar
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Daphne Eveningstar on 20/03/2009 15:59:29
Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious
I invested about 100 mil of my own isk Coming out of this with 300 mil when I pay everyone.
So you tripled your own hundred million and everyone else gets 8.53%? How did you arrive at this figure?
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Chaanii
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:11:00 -
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The stock he bought in his own company was preferred stock not offered publically, paying out 200% interest, and all the saps who bought public stock got 8%.
Well, it is better than a ponzi...
not by enough for me to invest.
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daphne Eveningstar Edited by: Daphne Eveningstar on 20/03/2009 15:59:29
Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious
I invested about 100 mil of my own isk Coming out of this with 300 mil when I pay everyone.
So you tripled your own hundred million and everyone else gets 8.53%? How did you arrive at this figure?
Because almost everyone has told lower my return and keep some more for myself.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious If I continue to payout round after round doesnt your argument lose some effect?
Nope. The whole point is that you will payout round after round, until one round you decide you've raked in enough and disappear, transferring the isk to your undisclosed second account.
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:22:00 -
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I will add that I've played a lot of mmo and without a doubt you guys are the most vicious unrelenting sarcastic mean spirited group of forum members I've ever encountered.You are suceeding only in really turning me off from a part of the game I wanted to work in and enjoy I am seriously considering just dropping it all which is a shame because it has been fun and I would rather not. I truly don't understand why mo one trusts role in this game every other mmo I've played there's a level of respect for peoples business ventures here it's a total shooting gallery.
Congrats all you vets your doing a great job of turning a noobie off of eve.
Feel free to bash this post you seem to enjoy doing it.
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious If I continue to payout round after round doesnt your argument lose some effect?
Nope. The whole point is that you will payout round after round, until one round you decide you've raked in enough and disappear, transferring the isk to your undisclosed second account.
Seriously not everyone is a jerk scammer.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious I will add that I've played a lot of mmo and without a doubt you guys are the most vicious unrelenting sarcastic mean spirited group of forum members I've ever encountered.You are suceeding only in really turning me off from a part of the game I wanted to work in and enjoy I am seriously considering just dropping it all which is a shame because it has been fun and I would rather not. I truly don't understand why mo one trusts role in this game every other mmo I've played there's a level of respect for peoples business ventures here it's a total shooting gallery.
Congrats all you vets your doing a great job of turning a noobie off of eve.
Feel free to bash this post you seem to enjoy doing it.
it because you not givin us enough reason for you to be trusted, a simple audit would of set you on your ways and there would of been any more hassle since the audit would of showed if you were making isk or not
because you veered away from the fact you make yourself a shooting gallery
you are deeling with people isk and there has been no mmo like this one with such a details market in game , you need to give us reason apart from you word as only a few men word are honorable,
not to only mention all those people that posted in you thread they recieved there isk are very suspiciously all with in a short time frame and you lack of audits so that we can see you market growth. you asking us for money but yet not willing to shell out for what the people want.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious I will add that I've played a lot of mmo and without a doubt you guys are the most vicious unrelenting sarcastic mean spirited group of forum members I've ever encountered.You are suceeding only in really turning me off from a part of the game I wanted to work in and enjoy I am seriously considering just dropping it all which is a shame because it has been fun and I would rather not. I truly don't understand why mo one trusts role in this game every other mmo I've played there's a level of respect for peoples business ventures here it's a total shooting gallery.
Congrats all you vets your doing a great job of turning a noobie off of eve.
Feel free to bash this post you seem to enjoy doing it.
make sure when you give it in that you give all there invesments back
now you said that you shot your self in the foot as people are more likely to think that you may quit you new found buisness. it not going well here are you.
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:37:00 -
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Wow contact each person individually LOL they are not alts!
And I am paying eveyone back! Why do u make it sound like I am not incredible the bias and idk even know complete lack of actually reading way I'm saying.
I also didn't say I was going to quit I'm just getting very frustersted by the tag team here. I'll let my investors speak fir themselves. And say again I have no reason to scam and I am not
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious I truly don't understand why mo one trusts role in this game every other mmo I've played there's a level of respect for peoples business ventures here it's a total shooting gallery
If you truly don't understand I'll truly explain it: There have been dozens of investment scams (not even counting legit investments failing), some involving more billions than most players have ever seen. The scams usually are done by players who 'earned' the trust with earlier payouts. Everyone is hammering on an audit because it'll ensure that (1) you're telling the truth, and (2) you're actually using the isk to make isk (as opposed to generating it another way / running a ponzi scheme). An audit of course does not rule out that you'll run an elaborate scam, but it'll eliminate some of the simpler scams.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:55:00 -
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your not the only one new to this trading gig, i have been playing for almost 3 years and have only really started to take notice of trading. My main this charater ran out of isk to make a full combat ship last week so i figure i would go and give it a go it i really enjoyed myself. hauling only 2-3 jump delivering only basic trade good for sale mark up. i ask for isk from a few friends, wasnt much was only 10 million but with that i traded the entire of yesterday and made 15 million profit. i was thrilled espically since that alt was only a few days old.
but from this experience i have seen from you i know that if i do set up something like this in the near future i will get audit's so that it relies on the trust on the public.
Once i get a bigger ship with my alt that i can haul with then i would probably look in to setting up a thing.
still reading up on everything before i make a clear decision. as when i was trading it was having alot of fun taking down the profit per jump and working out how much i spent per run ect.
only thing i might need help on is working out my ROI's and ect, never really worked in any industry like this in game of RL so i dont know what figures i need to project, if someone could get a hold of me in game so can tell me what i need to know ect and calculations i might need when running a type of buisness i might be able to make it worth you while. but for those that arnt looking into this post i will write a post about it.
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Shoten Kishi
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:31:00 -
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Ok - Posting in an epic thread it seems. I am one of Aera's investor's and I am not an alt of his, I am willing to provide my api key to an auditor if that will help at all at this point, I have three accounts, and I am willing to provide api keys for all.
I am also one of the people who advised him not to offer a 50% ROI, as that screams of scam, I told him he should post a more realistic ROI.
I believe aera not to be a scammer, I do think the people in this forum have been rather mean, and vicious, but aera - you fed into this by replying over and over. It's sad to things turned out like this, I am also willing to help pay for an audit if you choose to go that route, as you genuninely seem like a good person.
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charnea
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:34:00 -
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I was on your side aera and was an investor, but to be honest I don't like the way you are going with this. I thought the origional purpose of this was to "gain respect in thr MD community" and the best way to do this it an audit from a well respected player which will cost you NOTHING since others offered to pay. I have been playing on and off for almost two years and I can tell you the most importand commodities in eve aren't isk or minerals, they are respect and trust. I hate to say it because I appreciate your efforts but you are blowing your chance at both.
Respectfully,
-Char
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:35:00 -
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I'll try give you some perspective from a person who has been on here for more than 2 years, and also answer why we are miserable, annoying bastards.
We have watched over 500B (yes 500B) scammed in MD, which is a huge amount of money be scammed out of these forums in the last 2 years. The SCAM/failure rate for an UNKNOWN (to the forums) player who runs a business over 2B ISK and refuses an audit is 66%. That means that every unkown you invest in who refuses an audit you lose ALL your money 2 out of 3 times. I and a few others have done extensive research on ALL the IPO's and bonds launched in the last 2 years.
The only way experieinced investors are willing to commit funds are if the person has good reputation (Ricdic, EBANK other, Ray, Shar, Proton P, Kwint, AC155, Cosmoray maybe?, + others) OR they submit to potential investors demand and allow a background check / audit.
All the audit does is prove to the investors is that you can do what you state. e.g. To build capitals you have to have cap ship production, PE 5, etc. If your a trader your logs will show if your successful. Trading investments are much more difficult because the investors don't own any assets (BPO's etc), but have to trust the traders record. We just want to see if your good and can do what you claim.
The good auditors (Kazuo, Kazzac, Shar, Brock Nelson) will keep all information confidential but inform the MD population on whether your claims are true or not. note: I don't think Ricdic does audits, he'll have to say though.
When a new player or even a regular player launches a business, the experienced investors will want to see a good business plan, audit, good answers to questions. After we are satisfied we may invest.
Unfortunately the market has demanded some controls to stop every investment becoming a SCAM. WE are miserable, annoying, abusive because it is the only way to avoid SCAMS. If a business manager folds under the pressure or spotlight of the MD crowd he/she is unlikely to care that much about his/her business and is more likely to run off with the cash if they get in trouble.
NOTHING PERSONAL IT'S JUST BUSINESS.
Which brings us back to the OP.
You have been successful, and you want to garner further reputation but unfortunately you are doing the reverse.
Red Flags:
1. Unknown player (should require audit for funding) 2. Refuses audit (what have you got hide) 3. No real business plan (not a real document) 4. Took in more money that you requested, but didn't inform investors (this is massive. If you run a 1B IPO but recieve 3B how could we trust you. Biggest issue for me) 5. Starting to look like typical Ponzi scheme with fast turnover of investment schemes (audit would clear this) 6. Very surly responses to legitimate questions from potential investors.
IMO you are showing the classic signs of a SCAMMER, you want to bring in an unknown quantity of cash fast and try and divert people snooping around your plan.
If you would answer a few questions and submit to an audit you could probably raise a few billion in investment capital and restore you rapidly faltering reputation.
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Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rilwar on 20/03/2009 17:41:45
Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious Yes well I'm 21 in college I couldn't afford multiple accounts. Plus that many accounts is nuts even if you have the money my comp couldn't run it.
That excuse reeks of desperation and isn't even valid. I've got 4 accounts, doesn't mean I need to log into all of them whenever I log on JitaAccountÖ
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:52:00 -
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Whatever I'm done, this is not worth the agravation I was trying to provide a nice service to people trading as my main occupation hours a day but this is just absurd.
I will post all my sheets etc. when I am back in my apt. Investor Sheet / Trade Profit Calc. Sheet / My E-Bank Sheet (I made all these from scratch in excel on my own accord, does that sound like a scamming activity?) I will finish paying out everyone from Round 2 Round 3 is cancelled due to the aggravation caused by so many as I see it "greifers" What was fun for me is now ruined. I will just trade for myself from now on. I stated from the start I was no financial genious and that I was doing this for fun - scammers don't do things for fun they do it to get rich quick. Anyway being active on the forums and running this like a biz (interacting w/ others) was fun and now it is not so I won't continue. Ill just go at it solo as this game (or at least the people in MD) seem to think thats best.
I want to note that I am leaving this with my reputation 100% intact - I expect no bad connotations connected with my name in the future my rep is important and I will not have it smeared by people who never worked with me or gave me a chance. I will pay out round 2 100% so there is no reason my rep. should be tarnished.
To those who invested with me, I hope you enjoyed your excellent returns, good luck getting those on a short term investment with someone else, and I feel bad that I am cancelling round 3 but like I said its just been ruined and its just not worth the disrespect and berating I am getting here.
I want to add that I am really really upset I hope all you guys that had nothing nice to say are happy, congrats on being *******s and runining my gameplay - your no better than pirates in my eye.
EVE just lost a genuine honest trader that was just trying to have fun and make people isk at the same time glad to see the community pushes new people away so hardly.
Anyway see you in space, or maybe not you seem to be on MD more than ingame most of ya.
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Potsnack
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:32:00 -
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I'm genuinely saddened by how this has turned out :(
You had the makings of a great trader, and I think you were on the verge of achieving considerable investment, for what, a nearly two month old character. That may well have been a first in Eve. You only had to submit to a simple audit by someone who helps to control a vast portion of the ISK in Eve and who quite frankly won't have the slightest interest in exploiting your trading methods.
Whatever you do, do not publish your trading spreadsheets just to prove a point. Take some time to calm down before you do anything rash. Try and understand that some people are actually trying to help you. If you wont listen to me, go back and re-read Cosmoray's message, he is also trying to help you, and just the fact that he's posted in this topic says more than you probably realise.
Take some time - calm down - tomorrow is another day! My gut feeling still tells me you're bona fide - so pull your socks up and come back fighting, goddamitt! Oh, and here's a thought. As you're going to post your spreadsheets anyway, don't do that, just let one person see them (Ricdic) via an audit. He wouldn't steal your traderoutes, but I just might if I saw them ;-)
Whatever you decide - good luck.
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Vested Interest
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:39:00 -
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This is hil-arious
Your 0% reputation is 100% intact with me.
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Potsnack
I'm genuinely saddened by how this has turned out :(
You had the makings of a great trader, and I think you were on the verge of achieving considerable investment, for what, a nearly two month old character. That may well have been a first in Eve. You only had to submit to a simple audit by someone who helps to control a vast portion of the ISK in Eve and who quite frankly won't have the slightest interest in exploiting your trading methods.
Whatever you do, do not publish your trading spreadsheets just to prove a point. Take some time to calm down before you do anything rash. Try and understand that some people are actually trying to help you. If you wont listen to me, go back and re-read Cosmoray's message, he is also trying to help you, and just the fact that he's posted in this topic says more than you probably realise.
Take some time - calm down - tomorrow is another day! My gut feeling still tells me you're bona fide - so pull your socks up and come back fighting, goddamitt! Oh, and here's a thought. As you're going to post your spreadsheets anyway, don't do that, just let one person see them (Ricdic) via an audit. He wouldn't steal your traderoutes, but I just might if I saw them ;-)
Whatever you decide - good luck.
Im just gonna trade for me for a while. I guess publishing my sheets would be a bad idea so I wont do that yet actually.
My 0% rep? How about my rep of paying out over 700+ million to investors who had a little faith..k thnx bye.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:55:00 -
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Why are you running from a bit of pressure? Pressure is meant to expose the man underneath. The business man who holds his head above water.
You have shown no spine for the fight, why would people invest in you now or in or in the future.
I can't believe some simple questions and an audit request has thrown you. Smells like scammer. Doesn't matter about the return.
Either way you trashed your rep successfully today!!
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:18:00 -
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log off the forums , and start a fresh tomorrow
get that little extra sleep and re think your plans.
buisness is dog eat dog, so man up and prove yourself and everyone else wrong ... tomorrow
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Why are you running from a bit of pressure? Pressure is meant to expose the man underneath. The business man who holds his head above water.
You have shown no spine for the fight, why would people invest in you now or in or in the future.
I can't believe some simple questions and an audit request has thrown you. Smells like scammer. Doesn't matter about the return.
Either way you trashed your rep successfully today!!
Wrong. But you have shown what a neat guy you are thats for sure! fail.
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