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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Cosmic Raider
Today, Caldari Militia seized Ouelletta, completing the capture of Verge Vendor FW space. This is the first completely captured region in FW.
In before "We didn't want those systems anyway."
Oops, never mind.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
What do you think I've been trying to do for the past year or so? I suppose you didn't read my many pages of documents and issues about Factional Warfare?
Actually, the moment you started to negotiate in local with my gang over who can cap what plex for maximum points gain* was the moment I stopped caring about your ideas for FW.
* instead of us just chasing your miserable Imicus out of the system and capping all plexes, whether or not we gained points for it.
Oh, someone's feeling sad that I captured much more plexes? 
Perhaps because I optimize and you don't.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Like I said, the moment CCP fixes it and implements rewards, I'm sure the Gallente will kick the Caldari out within a month.
CCP can't really add rewards now, and that is part of the reason why I left FW with my corp. CCP painted themselves into a corner here. Of course I am aware that it's their server and they can do anything they want. But what COULD they do without ****ing off a mjaority of the FW participants?
I see two options: add a penalty for not holding a system, and add a reward for capturing one. Penalty as in "If you are refining stuff in a system you do not have occupancy in, you lose X percent". Of course, this would have to apply to everyone, not just members of the militia, or the militia members would simply use alts and the whole mechanism would just be for laughs. Can you imagine the outcry that this would cause now from all those who never cared for FW and now happen to have the wrong standings? Besides, a lot of people would begin to whine "Had I known this from the beginning I would have joined FW and tried to fight for my system". Actually, that is exactly what I was hoping for that FW would turn out to be instead of a simple time and ISK sink.
Giving out rewards for capturing systems would cause people to aim to do just that, but they cannot simply add that now. What to base it on? Capturing systems? Uh, Caldari hold so many, they'd barely get any of these rewards now. Holding systems? Who will get whatever pay/reward is associated with it? Ranks achieved? A lot of people achieved the max rank in the first week after FW was released, they'll lose out all these rewards unless awared retroactively - which in turn is unfair towards all those who did not plex-***** the first week.
The only real solution I see it that someone at CCP stands up and says "Ok, we admit FW was broken from the start, and we're going to reset everything and start over with clear rules, rewards and effects. Those are listed here and here on the web."
Enter whining masses from the left.
Thus I think CCP simply will let FW idle along, maybe have ISD write an article or two when there is a lull in the news flow, and ignore the whole mess. And with this in mind I hit the "Quit" button three weeks ago.
When FW was announced I was hoping for "Sovereignity light" (sp?), for stewardship granted to corps/alliances towards certain low sec systems. I was hoping it would make defending your home system easier in some miraculous way.
Instead FW made it more difficult for those who embark on it. It ads a constant wardec, boring repetetive tasks and no rewards at all.
Hang on, last time I checked I was being PAID for doing boring repetetive tasks (also known as "Work"). When I start a game - especially one I PAY for - I expect to get something out of it, and if there's boring repetetive tasks involved they better offer me something that makes it worth my time.
Change FW to something that makes it worth spending the time I PAY FOR at, and I will return. But I am not going to waste my subscription money on something that CCP considers a temporary step before joining "the real EVE" in 0.0 . And no thanks. Been there, done that. "You! Get all your ships over to defend our R64 POS but you'll never see any of the ISK coming out of it!" wasn't what I was aiming for either.
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Atraxerxes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:05:00 -
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Pytria Le'Danness,
Best God damn thing I read about FW yet.
AX
"Green isn't a good color for us.
I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Atraxerxes
Best God damn thing I read about FW yet
DIE CALDARI S****- oh, wait, this is an OOC thread. So, uh, thanks :)
What FW needs is something to lure players in. So far CCP went "Hey, in FW you get a lot of PvP!" which would be nice if FW were the only source for PvP. But PvP is so easy to come by that you do not really need FW for it. The only benefit of FW is that you get a MASSIVE number of targets of very varying skill levels. But you can get the same from wormholes and 0.0.
FW needs some incentive. It needs something I can go to newbies and say "Join me and my FW corp, because I can offer you X relatively easy, and X can not be gotten anywhere else". Join FW, and you get <some way to get rich>.
At the moment, FW is more a turn-off than something to advertise with. I joined FW with the idea to recruit players, mainly young ones because the older ones usually have found their place already. But as soon as I delivered the "Oh, we're also in FW, so you might be attacked even in High sec, but it's unlikely" line I could literally see the applicant's mouse move towards the close button.
FW needs something that maks people want to join it. From the top of my head, some 10.000 people are entered into FW right now. This includes spy alts, characters that never leave Jita and quite possibly a lot of characters whose account has expired or who are in a corp that joined but could not care less about FW. Compare this to the number of active subscribers - 200k or so? I don't actually recall the number. Is that the number of people CCP wants to have in FW?
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Louis DelaBlanche
Adam Adamants Emporium
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:42:00 -
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congrats are certainly in order. Its been fun in a sad way watching Gallente space get progressively smaller these last 2months. Id like to say enjoy your space, but since it means nothing of consequence considering the effort would be kinda hollow to do so. Id look out for the eve news report but since it would conflict with the eve backstory arc I doubt will see one of those either.
*sigh*
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Lt Mooncat
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Posted - 2009.03.20 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Mooncat on 20/03/2009 02:19:35
Edited by: Lt Mooncat on 20/03/2009 02:16:04
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
FW needs something that maks people want to join it. From the top of my head, some 10.000 people are entered into FW right now. This includes spy alts, characters that never leave Jita and quite possibly a lot of characters whose account has expired or who are in a corp that joined but could not care less about FW. Compare this to the number of active subscribers - 200k or so? I don't actually recall the number. Is that the number of people CCP wants to have in FW?
I would say there are as few as 2000 pilots active in FW, either plexing or PvPing, across the 4 Militias. None of the killboards are very busy and it's the same handful of players on most of the kills. The other day I flew through Empire systems and looked up killboard stats and peoples rankings who were in local and 50% of them had no stats and no rank.
Faction Warfare has nowhere near the amount of players participating as it has enrolled.
Alas CCP have deemed it to be a short term playstyle and a training ground for people before they go to 0.0. I get the feeling CCP would rather have an extra 2000 people in 0.0 than 10000 people staying in FW.
The only thing I can say about running complexes is that it gets very boring if you don't get opposite Militia come in to resecure it.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Mickey Simon
You're a CSM, perhaps instead of making useless comments you could attempt to fix a broken issue
What do you think I've been trying to do for the past year or so? I suppose you didn't read my many pages of documents and issues about Factional Warfare?
Like I said, the moment CCP fixes it and implements rewards, I'm sure the Gallente will kick the Caldari out within a month.
If you're half as dedicated as you've proposed you are, then perhaps your time is spent better by continuing to address those issues, rather than post useless things in this section.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Oh, someone's feeling sad that I captured much more plexes?
Perhaps because I optimize and you don't.
In the end you seemed to be for plex points purely to make a statement with militia captain choosing for alliance tournament. As I said back then, you are not Val Erian (or other respectable pilot) and there was no way me or other Caldari plexers would go with it.
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SolusLunes
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 07:22:00 -
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Congratulations, guys in the 22nd and with the epic win over the ebil Federation. :D
Even though us in RHN were complete *******s most of the time when you were trying to capture plexes, I fully support the Caldari domination. :D
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.03.21 15:49:00 -
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Congratulations to all who helped secure Victory in Verge Vendor. It is Quite an accomplishement. Now if CCP would quit treating FW like a red headed step-child and make those vctories count for more than colored dots...(lie Extra manufacturing and research slots for Militia and extremely lowerd taxes or other militia only bonus')
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.03.21 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Atraxerxes
Best God damn thing I read about FW yet
DIE CALDARI S****- oh, wait, this is an OOC thread. So, uh, thanks :)
What FW needs is something to lure players in. So far CCP went "Hey, in FW you get a lot of PvP!" which would be nice if FW were the only source for PvP. But PvP is so easy to come by that you do not really need FW for it. The only benefit of FW is that you get a MASSIVE number of targets of very varying skill levels. But you can get the same from wormholes and 0.0.
FW needs some incentive. It needs something I can go to newbies and say "Join me and my FW corp, because I can offer you X relatively easy, and X can not be gotten anywhere else". Join FW, and you get <some way to get rich>.
At the moment, FW is more a turn-off than something to advertise with. I joined FW with the idea to recruit players, mainly young ones because the older ones usually have found their place already. But as soon as I delivered the "Oh, we're also in FW, so you might be attacked even in High sec, but it's unlikely" line I could literally see the applicant's mouse move towards the close button.
FW needs something that maks people want to join it. From the top of my head, some 10.000 people are entered into FW right now. This includes spy alts, characters that never leave Jita and quite possibly a lot of characters whose account has expired or who are in a corp that joined but could not care less about FW. Compare this to the number of active subscribers - 200k or so? I don't actually recall the number. Is that the number of people CCP wants to have in FW?
If I were you and the others I'd jump all over this and RP my ass off for what might be the best chance you'll ever have at getting an Intaki-based faction controlling the systems and an RP victory that'd last forever (in theory).
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.03.21 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
If I were you and the others I'd jump all over this and RP my ass off for what might be the best chance you'll ever have at getting an Intaki-based faction controlling the systems and an RP victory that'd last forever (in theory).
I fully support the idea. Dust of the cobwebs a bit from the area
Remove FDU station, make it some "Intaki Goverment station" (bit like Mordu's station in Pure Blind) and get rid of Intaki being an FW area. That would be nice if somewhat blunt solution. I'm sure other people have better ideas how to go with it.
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NobodyHolme
Gallente
Deep Core Fishing
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:22:00 -
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Much as I dislike doing this, Good work, Squids.
The fact that we cant organise to kill your roaming caracal or faildrake fleets that're sitting in Villore and OMS daily, probably helped you a bit, mind.
But hey, dont get complacent, we'll still be getting it back from you, and it'll be good fun every step of the way 
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eskr
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:22:00 -
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Is it only me who noticed that since Apocrypha release Caldari have gained quite a pace in taking the systems?
I don't know why it is having this effect, but to me it is clearly a connection.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: eskr
Is it only me who noticed that since Apocrypha release Caldari have gained quite a pace in taking the systems?
I don't know why it is having this effect, but to me it is clearly a connection.
Well, it seems that half of the people in the militia channel lately are doing wormholes, while corps like the 22nd kept their focus and capped systems. It's not the only reason to be sure, but it did help accelerate the process it seems.
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ACE81
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:58:00 -
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Cool Good Job Caldari  So were to next!
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Aravorn
Gallente
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.22 05:28:00 -
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Congratulations to all the corps and folks involved in this, this certainly is quite an achievement. I for one miss sparing with you folks, fighting most of you over the plexs was some of the most fun I had while FOOM was in Fac War.
Nice job, well done 
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Niskin
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:54:00 -
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Congrats to the Caldari for this achievement! They set a goal and worked hard to achieve it, it's a good feeling when you finally get there, enjoy it. We could tell before we left FW that they were focused on taking systems and were working hard to do so. Had the expansion not been close at hand we may have stuck around to fight you for those systems. I'm sure it would have been fun, just like it was before. Keep up the good work, keep setting goals and you will rarely find yourself bored.
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr
Fractured Core
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.03.23 02:00:00 -
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Congrats to the Caldari. You must feel great after months of hard work to see the rewards which will no doubt begin coming your way.
Nothing like seeing hard work pay off.
Just curious Cosmic... given min. 15+ timers... how many weeks worth of your life were spent orbitting a capture point?
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Shpuntik
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:42:00 -
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lol grats but just remember who owns murethand :P
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Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shpuntik
lol grats but just remember who owns murethand :P
The Caldari do..... in theory. Of course we had to ninja the system when you guys weren't looking. ^^ When it comes to plex warfare invicta do much better job then the gallente (good thing you guys can't capture the plexes). Closing a contested plex in murehand has become a dance with death. Good luck to the Gallente who dare try to close a plex in murehand. 
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:44:00 -
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Nice job capturing a region.
CCP ought to spawn a Caldari NPC station with full amenities in each system as a reward. Maybe these stations could grant free jump clones and repair jobs to the victors.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Well, it seems that half of the people in the militia channel lately are doing wormholes, while corps like the 22nd kept their focus and capped systems. It's not the only reason to be sure, but it did help accelerate the process it seems.
They would have completed their conquest of VV in any case. Congrats Squids. Well done.
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