EVE Search - History of the Great Northern War


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Zzazzt	Posted - 2004.08.19 03:18:00 - [1] Wow - this topic seems to be inflammable!!! Good work one and all - bravo! Theious, as I'm sure you've figured out, the best way to tackle the issues on this thread is to take the posts from the main contenders (Jade, Halseth, Cao Cao, Notferr), slot them all together and read between the lines. All sides have been uncommonly reasonable and upfront - well done. One small issue - whilst he allows that we (UNICOR) left Vale/Geminate at a stalemate, with TPS turning to psyops techniques to shatter morale within the alliance, Cao Cao does seem to strongly imply that UNICOR was trampled into submission by the mighty rampaging unstoppable force of the then fledgling TPS. However, it simply wasn't like that. The whole 3 months of war we fought were very intense and evenly matched. Both sides lost many billions of isk in ships and equipment, and both sides claimed equally "decisive" victories night after night. In fact, I think I shall quote him: Originally by: Cao Cao Over the past three months, the corporations organized as The Pirate Syndicate have been entangled in one of the most intense, hardest fought wars in Eve history. Both sides to this conflict fought bravely and deserve the honor and respect of the other. From this press release. I have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect. Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing. Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better... We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently... Here's to brighter days,,, ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Zzazzt	Posted - 2004.08.19 03:18:00 - [2] Wow - this topic seems to be inflammable!!! Good work one and all - bravo! Theious, as I'm sure you've figured out, the best way to tackle the issues on this thread is to take the posts from the main contenders (Jade, Halseth, Cao Cao, Notferr), slot them all together and read between the lines. All sides have been uncommonly reasonable and upfront - well done. One small issue - whilst he allows that we (UNICOR) left Vale/Geminate at a stalemate, with TPS turning to psyops techniques to shatter morale within the alliance, Cao Cao does seem to strongly imply that UNICOR was trampled into submission by the mighty rampaging unstoppable force of the then fledgling TPS. However, it simply wasn't like that. The whole 3 months of war we fought were very intense and evenly matched. Both sides lost many billions of isk in ships and equipment, and both sides claimed equally "decisive" victories night after night. In fact, I think I shall quote him: Originally by: Cao Cao Over the past three months, the corporations organized as The Pirate Syndicate have been entangled in one of the most intense, hardest fought wars in Eve history. Both sides to this conflict fought bravely and deserve the honor and respect of the other. From this press release. I have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect. Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing. Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better... We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently... Here's to brighter days,,, ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Zzazzt Gallente Millennium	Posted - 2004.08.19 03:18:00 - [3] Wow - this topic seems to be inflammable!!! Good work one and all - bravo! Theious, as I'm sure you've figured out, the best way to tackle the issues on this thread is to take the posts from the main contenders (Jade, Halseth, Cao Cao, Notferr), slot them all together and read between the lines. All sides have been uncommonly reasonable and upfront - well done. One small issue - whilst he allows that we (UNICOR) left Vale/Geminate at a stalemate, with TPS turning to psyops techniques to shatter morale within the alliance, Cao Cao does seem to strongly imply that UNICOR was trampled into submission by the mighty rampaging unstoppable force of the then fledgling TPS. However, it simply wasn't like that. The whole 3 months of war we fought were very intense and evenly matched. Both sides lost many billions of isk in ships and equipment, and both sides claimed equally "decisive" victories night after night. In fact, I think I shall quote him: Originally by: Cao Cao Over the past three months, the corporations organized as The Pirate Syndicate have been entangled in one of the most intense, hardest fought wars in Eve history. Both sides to this conflict fought bravely and deserve the honor and respect of the other. From this press release. I have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect. Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing. Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better... We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently... Here's to brighter days,,, ____________________________________________
Zzazzt	Posted - 2004.08.19 18:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 Zzazzt, You guys fought hard and hung on far longer than I or anybody else expected. However, the kills/losses were certainly not even on both sides. We destroyed probably 10x what you guys did, otherwise we would have been crushed to an oblivion, we were able to organize gang of more than 10-12 pilots once maybe? twice? It is true, however, during the last 3 weeks of the conflict things were far more balanced, possibly even UNICOR having the edge until the final few days. That was after the territory was desolate of miners and traders, and the only people left were your experienced pvpers. But the basic fact is that you guys fought like scared kittens for the ENTIRE conflict. At least 2, often more warp core stabilizers, and you would never engage our forces without at minimum 1.5 to 1 number advantage, often not even then. UNICOR morale was destroyed by exposing the basic fact that you guys fought like cowards, and places of honor were offered to the pvpers we had respect for (Captain Tinrib, Zarthanon, Marcus Cole, etc.). I'm sorry but trying to say that this war was an even battle is just dishonest, although it was hard fought and you guys just refused to give up. Cao PS. The whole CoD thing to me stinks, they sign an agreement (NAST) "because we were forced to by Big Bad Halseth" and then they willfully violate the terms, is what it looks like to me. Seems to me the CoD is the one who deserves the label of dishonor. Cao Well I guess I'm unqualified to comment on the "carebear" days, as I came in after the industrialists moved out... 10x to you? I doubt that - but then as TE quite rightly pointed out, I wasn't part of the UNICOR command structure then... Scared kittens? Cowards? LOL - I love you, man... ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Zzazzt	Posted - 2004.08.19 18:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 Zzazzt, You guys fought hard and hung on far longer than I or anybody else expected. However, the kills/losses were certainly not even on both sides. We destroyed probably 10x what you guys did, otherwise we would have been crushed to an oblivion, we were able to organize gang of more than 10-12 pilots once maybe? twice? It is true, however, during the last 3 weeks of the conflict things were far more balanced, possibly even UNICOR having the edge until the final few days. That was after the territory was desolate of miners and traders, and the only people left were your experienced pvpers. But the basic fact is that you guys fought like scared kittens for the ENTIRE conflict. At least 2, often more warp core stabilizers, and you would never engage our forces without at minimum 1.5 to 1 number advantage, often not even then. UNICOR morale was destroyed by exposing the basic fact that you guys fought like cowards, and places of honor were offered to the pvpers we had respect for (Captain Tinrib, Zarthanon, Marcus Cole, etc.). I'm sorry but trying to say that this war was an even battle is just dishonest, although it was hard fought and you guys just refused to give up. Cao PS. The whole CoD thing to me stinks, they sign an agreement (NAST) "because we were forced to by Big Bad Halseth" and then they willfully violate the terms, is what it looks like to me. Seems to me the CoD is the one who deserves the label of dishonor. Cao Well I guess I'm unqualified to comment on the "carebear" days, as I came in after the industrialists moved out... 10x to you? I doubt that - but then as TE quite rightly pointed out, I wasn't part of the UNICOR command structure then... Scared kittens? Cowards? LOL - I love you, man... ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Zzazzt Gallente Millennium	Posted - 2004.08.19 18:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 Zzazzt, You guys fought hard and hung on far longer than I or anybody else expected. However, the kills/losses were certainly not even on both sides. We destroyed probably 10x what you guys did, otherwise we would have been crushed to an oblivion, we were able to organize gang of more than 10-12 pilots once maybe? twice? It is true, however, during the last 3 weeks of the conflict things were far more balanced, possibly even UNICOR having the edge until the final few days. That was after the territory was desolate of miners and traders, and the only people left were your experienced pvpers. But the basic fact is that you guys fought like scared kittens for the ENTIRE conflict. At least 2, often more warp core stabilizers, and you would never engage our forces without at minimum 1.5 to 1 number advantage, often not even then. UNICOR morale was destroyed by exposing the basic fact that you guys fought like cowards, and places of honor were offered to the pvpers we had respect for (Captain Tinrib, Zarthanon, Marcus Cole, etc.). I'm sorry but trying to say that this war was an even battle is just dishonest, although it was hard fought and you guys just refused to give up. Cao PS. The whole CoD thing to me stinks, they sign an agreement (NAST) "because we were forced to by Big Bad Halseth" and then they willfully violate the terms, is what it looks like to me. Seems to me the CoD is the one who deserves the label of dishonor. Cao Well I guess I'm unqualified to comment on the "carebear" days, as I came in after the industrialists moved out... 10x to you? I doubt that - but then as TE quite rightly pointed out, I wasn't part of the UNICOR command structure then... Scared kittens? Cowards? LOL - I love you, man... ____________________________________________

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