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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Aniel Zaar
K162 is not a wild card. It is a wormhole that is spawned after someone goes through a wormhole. If you find a wormhole and it's not K162, the one on the other end will be K162. If you scanned down K162, it means someone already scanned the wormhole on the other end and went through it, spawning the K162 that you found.
So we have a wormhole the leads from High Sec to Unknown Space that someone is already in, but has not found the wormhole that leads to high sec. I'm in the high sec system and I probe the wormhole. Its got a name of Z647. I go through it, and you claim on the other side it will be named K162? If not, please explain further
If yes, what would happen if he had found it first? What would it then be named B247, implying it would lead to high sec? Would it then become named K162 on my side?
I guess what I'm saying is I think your post need further clarification, as to me, it does not make a whole lot of sense.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aniel Zaar
Yes. In other words, whatever wormhole you go through, if it's not K162 itself, you will find K162 on the other side, connected to it.
Does the wormhole on the other side get spawned when you actually probe the wormhole?
Lets say hypothetically, I'm in an unknown system, my alliance mate is in high sec, we are both probing wormholes and they happened to be the same wormhole (his leads to me, mine leads to him). We both probe it down, but don't go through, he is in high sec on it, I am in Unknown Space on it. What will they then be named? Then if we each jump through, what will they be named?
Basically what I'm asking is, does the wormhole on the other side named K162 spawn when you land on grid, or probe the wormhole spawning it, or when you actually jump through?
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kulmid on 18/03/2009 06:34:54
Originally by: Aniel Zaar
This is an excellent question. Chances of that ever being discovered are so slim, that I doubt you will ever get a certain answer. I think that the wormhole has no defined wormhole numbers attached to its entrance. When you land on the grid, your side of the exit gets a name (maybe depending on where it leads), and the other end is assigned K162.
Yes, going back looking at the few wormholes I've probed since this thread was started, I'm seeing that what you say sounds very plausible, to the point I'd say its true. The last 3 in the chain I've gone through, have been K162 on the side that I jumped to, and a classification name on the side that I probed.
Good information.
Edit: Also thinking back, I probed a wormhole in low sec, named K162, when I jumped through I there were a few people inside. I asked them if they knew of any wormhole out and they told me they had probed the wormhole I had come though.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aniel Zaar
It's hard not to notice when the wormholes with names lead to the K162 every time. I've used this information to get an idea of whether or not someone is on the other side, and if the scanned the exit yet.
Yeah I agree its something we should have realized, apparently none of us were able to put it together. 
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Instrument Dealer
First of all you're reading the map wrong in no way would class 6 (deadly destination) jump to class 7 (high sec destination). Class 1 is in the center therefore is a "core" site therefore hardest and this has been said before. Class 6 is easiest
Completely incorrect.
Class 1 are soloable in an Ishtar, class 5 you get slaughtered in RRing BS fleets.
I think its bold of you to say Class 6 cannot connect to 7. While I agree it is very highly unlikely, I don't think we can say its impossible.
I would say there is a correlation between sec of the known space and the unknown space difficulty.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kulmid on 18/03/2009 11:02:49
Originally by: E150d
Having found K162 wormhole from k-space and w-space, I'm still unsure on something. Does the naming of the wormhole indicate that someone has travelled through it, or juts discovered it. Theoretically it could be either.
1. Person probes a wormhole, and warps to it. As they are the first person to load it on their grid, it is properly spawned there and then, and the corresponding wormhole is spawned and named appropriately on the other side
2. Person probes wormhole as above, wormhole created. The corresponding wormhole on the other side is not spawned until the person travels through this wormhole - at this time it is then named appropriately as an "exit wormhole" - K162.
These options are based on the assumption that the wormholes are named as they spawn and then have a fixed name for their duration. I think it would be an unlikely implementation for them to be spawned nameless and then detect which one of the pair is loaded on a grid first before naming both of them.
It would be nearly impossible to verify 100%, but the assumption would be, the wormholes don't actually spawn until you load the grid its on. Until you load that grid, there is just a place holder on grid, as all exploration/missions currently work if I'm not mistaken. At the point the grid is loaded, a wormhole is spawned, named appropriately, and the other side is named K162.
Edit: Fixed spelling
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2
if u get stuck always carry deep space probes put em over every planet at 16au then go down to 4au by process of elimation. They can show u site types u can narrow down the sig - unknown ( wormholes in wspace only) also ded and drone combat in k space.
My deep space probes don't tell me what kind of signatures there are...?
Am I missing something?
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Would I be correct in assuming that, from the inside, they were all named K162 except for the high-sec one (or perhaps even all of them)?
They would only all be named K162 if someone had already probed that wormhole from the other side and jumped through to the w-space system. If he was, on the other hand, the first one to probe all of those wormholes, they would be given names that correspond to High Sec, Low Sec, and Null Sec. They would all be named K162 on the other side.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cameron Freerunner
Curiouser and curiouser. So it's possible to have NO exits? I wonder if there is a per day limit on WHs in a W space system. Or if its completely and utterly random. That might mean you would go extended periods without an exit.
Does anyone know if the WHs in W space always lead to other systems in the same cluster (clusters being the groups of W systems shown on the map)? If so, it should be possible to map the clusters fairly easily by referring to the map and using some puzzle-solving skills (Games magazine anyone?). If not, OMG that would be incredibly complicated.
Finally, I have entered most wormholes from Minmatar space. So far, when I've exited from W space through some other wormhole into hisec space, its been Ammar and Ammatar Mandate. Is anyone finding a correlation between your race or system entry point and the exit WH? Or is it just complete coincidence?
I'd say that is just coincidence. We first entered a wormhole system in from Minmatar space and found our way into another wormhole system. Then found an exit into Amarr Space. We stayed in that second unknown system since the day of the patch until today. At first most of our exits to known space went to Amarr Space. Then we had them near Jita for a while, a few near Gallente, then a few near Minmatar. It seems like where the wormhole will exit is random, but does have cycles of areas they seem to exit.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kulmid on 19/03/2009 12:57:34
Originally by: Kolmogorow
Originally by: Antara Oblique
I probed a WH named D382. Jumped through. The name on the other side was Z971.
So the K162 theory is falsified! I heard the same (both ends of WH were NOT K162) from another person. But it seems to be very rare and raises the question even more what the "special" WH code K162 wants to tell us. I can't see a reason anymore at the moment why this K162 special code exists at all and why not every WH has "normal" codes on both ends.
While I understands what I am about to say sounds absolutely ridiculous. It sounds like when you jump through the other side becomes K162. But if its probed before someone jumps through, it is given a real name.
Basically my theory now is:
When a wormhole is created, it has 2 sides, linking two systems. On the grid where the wormholes are there is no actual wormhole, just placeholders. When you probe the wormhole and load the grid, it is spawned and assigned a name which corresponds to the system on the other side. If you jump through, and force the wormhole on the other side to be spawned by you jumping through, it is assigned K162. If you warp away without jumping through, and someone probes the wormhole in the other system. They will spawn that wormhole by loading the grid, and not jumping through. This wormhole will now be assigned a name corresponding to its destination system. If that second pilot now jumps through, because the wormhole on the other side has already been spawned, it will not be assigned the name K162, and keeps the name it has.
Sorry for the wall of text, I hope it makes sense.
Edit: Clarified a few words.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nisstyree
No, once the WH is spawned and names are assigned they no longer change.
If you are replying to my post, I must have explained it poorly, as my theory supports this statement.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Matterick Boon
so if i find a wh in kspace and it's labelled k162 how am i supposed to figure out the tier? because if i find any other wormholes in that w-space and pass threw them the exits i just came out of are all gonna say k162 aren't they? unless someone else found it in k-space first... right?
Exactly. There is no way to find out definitively what class of wormhole you are in if you come in through a wormhole named K162. You would have to wait until someone probes it from the outside in, and then go through the wormhole and check the name on the other side.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Syriana Luna
could the confusion be that the wormhole 'gate' has a different name for each side?
Visual example with random name chosen except for K162
(Known space) R943()Z971>>-------W Space-------<<Y683()K162 (Known Space)
I concur that any K162 is the exit to a wormhole, adding that K162 is the named side of the exit gate leading to known space. This might have been a general knowledge thing but I felt compelled to put it on paper so to speak.
*few minutes later: I know I had a point in there somewhere..but its 5:16 am and I lost the train of thought lol.
K162 is will also be on the opposite side of a wormhole you find that goes w-space to w-space.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Syriana Luna
so you are saying that:
(Known space) R943()Z971>>-------W Space-------<<Y683()K162>>-----Wspace----<<M609()K162(Known Space)
is possible?
Yes, except the Z971 would be K162. I have also witnessed a situation exactly like the one you have modeled, besides the flaw I previously pointed out.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cameron Freerunner
I will take the opportunity to point out AGAIN that neither the theory nor the map were yours. The original thread predates yours by several days. It also made the point much more succinctly and with less swagger. Here's the original thread AGAIN. Give credit where it's due.
And to be honest, that thread doesn't have a whole lot of accurate information. It seems agreed in that thread that Class 1 wormholes are the hardest and Class 6 are the easiest, which is actually completely backwards. But yes, that is where the wormhole map was originally linked, thank you.
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