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Teamosil Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution	Posted - 2009.03.20 07:22:00 - [31] Actually, now that I think about it, I have to take back my support for the idea of gate guns doing more damage against big ships. Doing less damage against small ships might make sense, I don't really know either way, but you can't enable anti-piracy then make it hard for pirates to have big ships. The two ideas aren't really compatible. It would give anti-pirates an advantage I don't think they need.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.03.20 09:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Quote: Believe it or not, you can attack pirates without taking a security hit. They blink red on your overview. Orange is hardly a pirate. Orange will typically be the guy who isn't a role player and will pvp in low sec, and wont be scared to fire first. This. Pirates are -5 and below, and you can shoot them as much as you like without consequence (other than perhaps the pirate shooting back - even his FRIENDS will not get the right to shoot you, as they're considered an outlaw). The folks you see sitting between 0 and -5 are not pirates, they are simply people with a bad reputation and do not deserve being beaten up by anti pirates. I disagree. There are lots of pirates that are between -.1 and -4.9. It's easy enough to never pod anyone, ransom when possible, and only fire on and blow up ships that would be profitable targets. Take a couple minor security hits a day, and then go to null sec for a few hours a week and get your standings back. These are the smart pirates, not the pew pew kill mail monkeys. I like the OP's basic idea. It would really help if the entire sec status idea got a rework first though. Also I'd change it slightly: +1.0 can shoot -4.0 +2.0 can shoot -3.0 +3.0 can shoot -2.0 +2.0 can shoot -1.0 I'd also like to see some kinda of "for a fee" permit to act as a "freelance security officer". It's about time "white hats" were allowed to go after "black hats".
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.03.20 09:15:00 - [33] Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 20/03/2009 09:15:40 Originally by: Kahega Amielden No. I'd rather see lowsec be worth something financially so that organized groups would go in to exploit it, and as such would fight back against pirates. Upping the earning potential of low sec would just produce richer pirates. If you want real money potential, go to null sec. I think the op's idea would improve pvp in empire. Both low sec and high sec.
InterDict Azylum Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.03.22 08:53:00 - [34] Originally by: Teamosil Well... this is something that can easily create a 100 pages discussion thread by itself. Everyone has his own opinion on this topic. I can only state my own: Highsec is easy to live in. Even tho it is not completely safe, it is a good home for new players and the ones that don't rly like to PvP fulltime. Lowsec and nullsec are very very much alike. Pirates and 0.0 alliances do almost exactly the same thing. They chose a home for themselves, fight the locals to gain it and shoot everyone that is not blue to them. The only difference is that when you do it in lowsec you lose SS (flashes red) by doing it and ppl call you a pirate. When a guy in 0.0 does this, he loses nothing and they call it "Real PvP". But it's the exact same thing. "Pirates shoot haulers" one may say.... So you trying to tell me that if a neutral hauler enters "enemy space" (neutral) in 0.0, that the locals will happily let him go thru??? Never. Most alliances in this game have the NBSI policy (Not Blue Shoot It). It doesn't matter if it is a titan or a badger. Thank you for saying this and I agree 100%.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.22 11:19:00 - [35] Fix anti-piracy by fixing the bounty hunting system. Not by messing with the security status system.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.03.22 11:34:00 - [36] Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 22/03/2009 11:36:11 Originally by: Esmenet Fix anti-piracy by fixing the bounty hunting system. Not by messing with the security status system. I kinda like some of the ideas over here: Change Security Status System to Reflect Playstyle
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.03.29 06:27:00 - [37] So what, no one wants more pew pew?
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.03.29 07:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Valandril You can shoot pirates w/o consequences (guys with -5), what you can't shoot are ppl who go to lowsec for occasional pvp. Therein lies the problem. I think the a good many players don't do lowsec pvp because it would lower their sec. Applies especially to newer players. If something all red and flashy warps in, they're dead anyways, so the only viable 'practice targets' are those who are more or less newbies or "casual pvp'ers" themselves. Originally by: AshtarDJ No one tries to force miners or mission runners to PvP once a day to be able to continue doing what they like, so don't try to force us to rat to continue to be a pirate. Suicide ganks? Actually, if you read a couple of pirate topics, the theme is more often then not a pirate complaining about the increased protection highsec players received over the past years and pvp becoming increasingly consentual (while course ignoring all the subtle things pirates got [i.e. mach1 undocking or most recently local-free wspace]). A lot of pirates really like to borderline the harressment policy, so your "no one" is far from accurate. Note that I don't say that I'd like pirates to grind missions or anything.
Gallente Citizen1	Posted - 2009.03.29 08:45:00 - [39] Edited by: Gallente Citizen1 on 29/03/2009 08:46:48 good idea What about expanding it a bit further. Player with +5 security status can attack -2 player at hisec without CONCORD intervention. basically 5.0 = cop and -2 = criminal Edit: someday, i'd like to see CONCORD removed entirely and player polices handling the hisec security.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.04.02 05:55:00 - [40] I still think the idea has merit.
Fille Balle TachyonTubbies Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.04.02 10:36:00 - [41] I like the thought of letting +5 characters attacking -1 characters, +4 to attack -2 and so on. This would help to make anti pirate a more viable career. Adding a way to make it profitable would probably also help, but I think this is not as much of a priority. At the moment there are far more pirates than anti pirates, and this just proves that there is room for some improvement. Most people who become pirates are actually looking to make a quick buck, and some are pulling it off very successfully. Put more anti pirates in the game, and it would be harder to be a successful pirate, there by making lowsec more accessible to other players (miners, mission runners etc.). A lot of pirates are just hiding behind less than -5 sec status, which practically gives them immunity to real anti pirates, and as such, the anti pirate corps members go look for places where they can find more targets. A lot of people want to pvp, but don't want to go to 0.0, and don't want to become pirates. The only option left then is joining a random wardec corp, which imo is really not helping as far as getting people moved out of highsec is concerned. Newer corps get wardeced all the time, and the result is that the members go back to noob corps to get immunity again, and probably never join a pc again. This prevents the newer corps from growing, and as a result will never build up enough numbers to get some fleets together for some action. PvP should not be a full time commitment, and lowsec is perfect for this. But current ss mechanics prevent this for a lot of people who aren't ready to be banned from highsec yet. Sure, some people choose to go the pirate route early on, but this is not for every one. There should be options. /signed
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.04.02 10:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Teamosil I'm new to Eve, so I'm curious what you guys think about this idea. It seems to me like low sec pvp is generally pretty lame. Mostly it is about pirates in throw-away ships ganging up on ships that aren't designed for combat. I don't see as many actual battles between two ships or fleets that are both combat oriented as I would have expected. Seems to me like this isn't really providing the pirates with as much fun as they would like, and the mechanics of security status seem to force the combat in low sec to remain one sided. It's more like PvBarges than PvP. What I would really like to see is for low sec to be a viable place for real PvP. I think the way to do this would be to make anti-piracy more sustainable. Right now, the mechanics don't really allow anti-piracy. If you attack pirates, pretty soon your security status drops and you pretty much just become a pirate that is too dumb to attack easy targets. If you preserve your security status by never attacking first, you probably won't see much action and you'll be at a big disadvantage when you do. So, my suggestion is to change the low sec security status mechanics to allow pilots with a security over 2.0 to attack pilots with security statuses below -2.0 without suffering a drop in their own security status. My thinking is that this would liven up low sec and result in more opportunities for decent pvp there. Also, I know whenever anybody posts about piracy, they get flamed... Feel free if you like, but my goal here isn't a piracy nerf, it's to make piracy, and anti-piracy, more fun. Anyways, I'm new, so there may well be problems with that idea, but what do you guys think? You can already shoot about -5.0 without penalty. Those hovering around the -2.0 mark are not really pirates in the true sense since getting from -2 to -9.9 takes all of about an hour of pod boomage. Oh and pirates kill other pirates ;)
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.04.02 10:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Fille Balle ... A lot of pirates are just hiding behind less than -5 sec status, which practically gives them immunity to real anti pirates, and as such, the anti pirate corps members go look for places where they can find more targets. A lot of people want to pvp, but don't want to go to 0.0, and don't want to become pirates. The only option left then is joining a random wardec corp, which imo is really not helping as far as getting people moved out of highsec is concerned.... Sorry what? people hiding behind less than -5 are no more immune to my guns than anyone else. Sure they can run away, but anyone can given a chance.
ACE81	Posted - 2009.04.02 15:41:00 - [44] My Idea very simple After 0.5 Space Security status Is no longer affected, after all if your in low sec you know the risks theres now reason why SS should matter there.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.04.03 05:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Galvatine You can already shoot about -5.0 without penalty. Those hovering around the -2.0 mark are not really pirates in the true sense since getting from -2 to -9.9 takes all of about an hour of pod boomage. Oh and pirates kill other pirates ;) A smart pirate never pods, and never drops below -1.9 let alone -4.9.
Fille Balle TachyonTubbies Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.04.03 17:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Galvatine Sorry what? people hiding behind less than -5 are no more immune to my guns than anyone else. Sure they can run away, but anyone can given a chance. I think you're missing the whole point of the thread. I wasn't saying that they are immune to your guns, but it does mean that they can safelty assume that anti pirates wont shoot first. Originally by: Fille Balle which practically gives them immunity to real anti pirates I bolded the parts you seem to have either missed or not understood. Just in case you don't know what an anti pirate is: Linky Scroll down until you see "Anti pirate" And by the way, the only thing in eve that makes you immune to guns is docking in a station, FYI.
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.04.03 18:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Originally by: Galvatine You can already shoot about -5.0 without penalty. Those hovering around the -2.0 mark are not really pirates in the true sense since getting from -2 to -9.9 takes all of about an hour of pod boomage. Oh and pirates kill other pirates ;) A smart pirate never pods, and never drops below -1.9 let alone -4.9. Then said "smart" pirate is the following 1) not a real pirate 2) limiting his income for no other reason except fear 3) a carebear
Metalcali Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.03 19:37:00 - [48] That link is showing a RP aspect to the way people could take anti pirating, not a players perspective on it
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2009.04.04 05:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Galvatine Then said "smart" pirate is the following 1) not a real pirate 2) limiting his income for no other reason except fear 3) a carebear How does podding someone make you a real pirate? How does it make you any money? Most people pay way more to save thier ship then thier pod. So your definition of "'bear" is anyone who doesn't play just to pod people?
Insa Rexion Minmatar United Forces Academy	Posted - 2009.04.04 05:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Teamosil [ Making low sec more profitable would help a lot too. Agreed. Making hisec FAR LESS profitable would help even more well mannered ah*
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.04.04 09:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Originally by: Galvatine Then said "smart" pirate is the following 1) not a real pirate 2) limiting his income for no other reason except fear 3) a carebear How does podding someone make you a real pirate? How does it make you any money? Most people pay way more to save thier ship then thier pod. So your definition of "'bear" is anyone who doesn't play just to pod people? In order to profit from ransoming pods, you need to be a threat to them in the first place. Sure, most people tell you to go to hell and go pop in the process. But every so often, one comes along that will gladly part with 100mil, 300mil or so so save his bacon. Stay at bear levels of sec status you miss out on it, because everyone knows your a wuss and wont carry out your theat. Besides, the object of the game isnt to make as much money as possible (re your other posts about salvage being mine mine mine) the idea is to have fun. Being -10 is a lot of fun. You should try it sometime, you might stop worrying about everything so much.
Lucy Light	Posted - 2009.04.04 10:31:00 - [52] signed I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast

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