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Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.03.19 15:55:00 - [31] Stiletto.
welsh wizard 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:15:00 - [32] Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/03/2009 16:23:35 --------------- RIP Crazy Horse
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Faffywaffy Stiletto. Crow
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Faffywaffy Stiletto. That's like someone deciding between a Moros and Revelation and suggesting the Naglfar. Just, no.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:26:00 - [35] Originally by: arbiter reborn my sader will ** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor Any pilot worth his salt can get an inty in web range (or outside disruptor range) even using a frig. And there is nothing you can do about it due to eve being a bit laggy and overload. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie**
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:35:00 - [36] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Faffywaffy Stiletto. That's like someone deciding between a Moros and Revelation and suggesting the Naglfar. Just, no. I don't know much about forms of contraception, but I know a thing or two about interceptors ;-)
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:40:00 - [37] heh Originally by: Queue K'Umber It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.03.19 17:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Faffywaffy Stiletto. Crow A ranis eats crows for breakfast. I'd suspect a sader does too. ---
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.03.19 17:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon heh You make me happy in the pants. ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.19 18:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon heh Awesome Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie

Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.03.19 19:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon heh Indeed, nice! And ceptor packs are incredible fun... ---
Gallente Citizen1	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:54:00 - [42] Which Crusader fit works best against other inties? I got the impression 15km orbit doesn't work because overheated MWD+WEB/SCRAM owns it.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:09:00 - [43] 1 vs. 1 the Crusader was way stronger than it's now... The sader lost nearly 3km of range since QR, so The Scram changes has brought 3-mid-slot competitors, like the claw and of course the taranis into the scene stronger than ever, as in combination with the web allows them to completely dedicate range once a mistake is made, and believe me: even ~2km/sec cruisers can (when flown well) trick a not very experienced Ceptor pilot into web range. Of course overheat is a must have, but this fact counts for both sides. No ceptor is fool-proof...and perhaps nerfing the crusader was fair... It still pwns Crows tho, which still remains as fool-proof as it gets... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.03.21 22:22:00 - [44] Edited by: Faffywaffy on 21/03/2009 22:23:03 Originally by: Diomidis 1 vs. 1 the Crusader was way stronger than it's now... Wrong. With the new MWD-disabling scram, a crusader can now actually hit another inty wheh it is inside scram range. Let's analyze vs. every other major competitor. Pre-QR: vs. Taranis: If the taranis can get into web range (and it usually can), the crusader dies. vs. Claw: The claw has better tracking, and if plated has more EHP. The Crusader is doing the wrong damage type (EM). The claw is doing the right damage type (explosive). The Claw wins. vs. Crow: The Crow, having fitted a web, orbits at 4km, 7000m/s, while the crusader sits still, unable to track, and thus hit, anything. The crow wins. Post QR: vs. Taranis: The Crusader loses for similar reasons as pre-QR. vs. Claw: The Crusader, if it can keep about 8km range to the Claw, has a chance, as it will outdamage it by about 2-2.5 times. I'd say it's a 50/50 chance. vs. Crow: The Crusader will be able to get into scram range and then the crow almost certainly dies. So you see, post-QR, the Crusader has gotten much better vs. other inties (the other, tackling inties are likely to die to a crusader both pre and post QR). Just to be clear, in all cases, I'm talking about the cookie cutter fits (pulse sader with scram, blasteranis with scram+web, plated autocannon claw with scram, missile crow). Non-standard, tailored fits may win or lose, depending on the fit. Originally by: Diomidis The Scram changes has brought 3-mid-slot competitors, like the claw and of course the taranis into the scene stronger than ever, as in combination with the web allows them to completely dedicate range once a mistake is made, Wrong again (even putting aside the fact that the claw has 2 midslots). Pre-QR: 2 midslots meant your opponent will be going 7000m/s; 3 midslots - 700m/s (x10, or about 6000m/s difference). Post-QR: 2 midslots mean your opponent will be going 700m/s; 3 midslots - 300m/s (x2.5 or 400m/s difference). Post-QR a single scram is a rather firm tackle. Pre-QR, a two midslot inty fighting a 3-midslot one meant that the 3-midslot one could always get out of range and warp away (or get under the tracking, if it's a missile inty). Originally by: Diomidis It still pwns Crows tho, which still remains as fool-proof as it gets... A properly fit and properly flown crow (not the standard fit) has a reasonable chance vs. a standard fit Crusader.
Prometheus Exenthal Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.21 22:41:00 - [45] Taranis is still the king, no other interceptor is even close. Also, lol @ people saying Crows > Crusaders.. wtf? Crows NEVER did unless you're a clown rolling w/ gatling pulse or if the Crow had a faction web or some crap. Crows were overated before, and are laughably bad now. - MY LATEST VIDEO - BATTLE CRUISE
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.03.21 22:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal Also, lol @ people saying Crows > Crusaders.. wtf? Crows NEVER did unless you're a clown rolling w/ gatling pulse or if the Crow had a faction web or some crap. Crows were overated before, and are laughably bad now. What is your crusader fit that used to kill a mwd+disruptor+web crow orbiting you at 4km, 7km/s (and thus over 1.5rad/sec of angular velocity)? You would have to stay outside of web-range to kill such a crow, which you would not necessarily be able to.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.03.22 00:07:00 - [47] Edited by: Terianna Eri on 22/03/2009 00:08:19 Originally by: Faffywaffy Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal Also, lol @ people saying Crows > Crusaders.. wtf? Crows NEVER did unless you're a clown rolling w/ gatling pulse or if the Crow had a faction web or some crap. Crows were overated before, and are laughably bad now. What is your crusader fit that used to kill a mwd+disruptor+web crow orbiting you at 4km, 7km/s (and thus over 1.5rad/sec of angular velocity)? You would have to stay outside of web-range to kill such a crow, which you would not necessarily be able to. The crow doesn't go 7 km/s in a straight line without implants or overloading, this one below barely breaks 5k: Quote: [Crow, mwd/point/web] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] A pulse crusader (2x TE, 2x OD) goes 5km/s, or 2km/s when webbed. This means that the crow will have a maximum of 3km/s transversal (5-2). It will be considerably less given that the crusader needs only travel in a straight line whereas the crow needs to orbit, and it can't maintain it's full speed when orbiting. Let's be generous and call it 2.5km/s transversal. Dual light pulse, with multifrequency, 2 tracking enhancers, and the crusader's tracking bonus have almost no problem tracking a crow at that range and speed, not even close. In fact, if you want to orbit at 4km, go right ahead - the crusader gets nearly full DPS at that range. P.S. fit included: Quote: [Crusader, pulse] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hell, even without the TEs the crusader tracks perfectly well at that range. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.03.22 00:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Terianna Eri Blah blah blah... We were talking about pre-QR, not post-QR. It was claimed that a crusader used to pwn crows. I disagreed.
Mikael Izra'il	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:09:00 - [49] I'm really interested in this subject: Is there any new factor to take into account for this choice, related to Wormhole space? Will it be better for some reason to fly a Ranis or a Sader for WH piracy?
Nomad Storm The Wandering Path	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:09:00 - [50] Even then the crow would be fried before it could actually establish that orbit. Unless this is a 7km/s plated rocket crow now.

kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:18:00 - [51] sader personally. ranis needs to be right in there, even with a scram, the sader can hit out nice dps and do it from acouple more km away than a ranis. just my opinion.
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:50:00 - [52] Edited by: Faffywaffy on 22/03/2009 01:50:26 Originally by: Nomad Storm Even then the crow would be fried before it could actually establish that orbit. Unless this is a 7km/s plated rocket crow now. If the crow is outmaneuvered and not allowed to get into web range, yes, it will go down. Rocket or missile doesn't matter, though, because once that orbit is established, the crusader will absolutely not be able to hit anything. My point is, though, that it depends on pilot skill, so it's certainly now "pwned" - it's an engagement where both sides have a reasonable chance. Another fun tactic strictly for fighting frigs used to be to put a web and no disruptor on a crusader and hope that the target is confused long enough to be popped before it realizes there's no point on it and warps out.
Nomad Storm The Wandering Path	Posted - 2009.03.22 02:15:00 - [53] I used to fly a web sader, worked wonderfully but I eventually realized how nice the locus rigs were. Now there is little point of using a web when you can slow them just as much and actually tackle with a scram
Aimel Nex Eternus	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:48:00 - [54] The taranis is better than the crusader overall, his guns are consuming less capa and its more flexible for the fittings.
Hanns Canadian Aerospace Defence Sector	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Vicky Blows Edited by: Vicky Blows on 19/03/2009 10:33:10 The crusader must be a good little ship as well , I know everyone talks about the ranis but check out 'Kadesh Priestess' on the battleclinic killboard , she's popped everything from hacs to battles ships all solo in hers.And she's popped a lot of ranis's as well in it. Looks fake to me, look at the damage she's done on her killmails to the damage her targets recieved? makes no sense. Originally by: Tuxford a new retribution bonus +1 med slot per level
Kirzath Sinister Elite	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Hanns snip Looks fake to me, look at the damage she's done on her killmails to the damage her targets recieved? makes no sense. Battleclinic hides NPCs from killmails. The extra damage received by the targets were likely from rats.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Stuart Price Originally by: arbiter reborn my sader will **** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor I will take that bet. I'll second that bet


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