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Gallente Citizen1
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:36:00 -
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Which is better for solo pvp? FW, dogfights, relatively cheap pvp
If you can't say which is better, could you tell what they are strong against? Easy targets / hard targets?
Any tactics are welcome too.
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Kirzath
Sinister Elite
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:41:00 -
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Taranis definitely, Crusader is a close second though.
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Lucas Tigh
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:57:00 -
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You fly Taranis. A fight starts. Someone dies.
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Fistme
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:00:00 -
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DPS and 2x warriorsIIs make the Taranis a very hard ceptor to kill if you enter web range. Only problem is that you are a bit slower than the other inties and don't really tackle all that well due to their engagement range.
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TimMc
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:01:00 -
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Taranis, rails against other ceptors but otherwise blasters.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh
Quote:
You fly Taranis. A fight starts. Someone dies.
Hang on, isn't this something I said in a different thread?
Also: Always blasters. Those other interceptors with their poncy faster base speeds? Overheated MWD+Scram+Web takes care of that little problem. If you go rails they just run away when they start to lose.
Pre-QR it was 'sader since the obscene range you could get with locus rigs meant a good pilot could avoid being webbed by a 'ranis. Nowadays the shorter range AND the fact that scrams kill MWD's means that the 'ranis is king.
Crusader is still a good interceptor though.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:40:00 -
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The Taranis is a better combat ship. It's hardier and depending how you set it up can do more damage than a good chunk of AF's that are available. However it's one of the slower, less nimble interceptors.
The crusader is pretty much in between the ranis and a pure tackle inty. how it's normally setup it's very fast and agile, but will also deal out the same (if not a little more) damage as a rail taranis. It is a fair bit weaker though.
Generally, you'd setup a taranis with either a warp disruptor, 125mm rails and warriors (orbit outside of web range and tackle) Or with a scram, web, ions and hobgoblins (orbit as close as you can and melt things)
The crusader I've found works well with dual light pulse lasers loaded with scorch, add some range rigs/tracking enhancers to get your optimal range a good bit over web range, then orbit at high speed, tackle and blast. you'll have a smaller sig than the taranis and should be able to hit most things well at pretty much full speed (around 5k/s with a couple of speed mods/nanos)
They're both really good intys. If you wanna take down bigger stuff or use as mainly a combat ship then fly the taranis, if you want something that can catch most stuff, operate as a better tackler most of the time and deal fairly decent damage then the Crusader would be a good choice.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:42:00 -
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my sader will **** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Taranis, rails against other ceptors but otherwise blasters.
You'd have a much easier time w/ blasters, web + 2pt scram and a some overheat cycles.
Frigate sized rails track worse than some medium turrets, not very good for shooting other ceptors.
Pulse Sader > Taranis against non 'ceptors, Taranis > Sader in ceptor vs ceptor fighting imo
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reborn
my sader will **** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor
I will take that bet.
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Fistme
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reborn
my sader will **** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor
Overloading MWD and WEB can do allot to close a 5km gap with ceptors.
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Hardened Heart
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reborn
my sader will **** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor
I'm a Crusader pilot and this is a load of crap. The two ships excel at what they do and who comes out alive has more to do with the pilot than the ship itself.
I prefer the Crusader simply because a well skilled pilot can easily hit 5km/sec with only a t2 fit. The deciding factor here is why everyone fits a MWD. It's the mobility factor. The decision to engage is almost ALWAYS the Crusader pilots. Flat out, I can almost out run Warrior IIs. Good luck catching me.
In an out and out dog fight I'd still bet on the Taranis over the Crusader. The Crusader will need to keep out of scram/web range the whole fight, the Taranis only needs to get in range once.
Still, the Crusader excels at more practical roles, like fast tackle support and has the (speed) tank to survive longer while still possessing the range and firepower to deal with most frigates and even some cruisers. The Taranis is like a lightly armed, faster moving Assault Frigate and unfortunately runs into the same problem as other AFs: lack of defined role.
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Gallente Citizen1
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gallente Citizen1 on 19/03/2009 09:11:21
Thx guys
Reading all this made me understand Pulsader is good against slightly slower targets who have no way to close range by overheating and can't track or reach it.
Both are equally good/bad at killing cruisers. Pulsader does it from outside web range and Taranis does it by close orbit vulnerable to neut, bombs, drones and web.
Pulsader kills frigs and assault frigs
Taranis kills frigs and interceptors
Did I get it right?
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Takeshi Yamato
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Takeshi Yamato on 19/03/2009 09:32:45
Edited by: Takeshi Yamato on 19/03/2009 09:18:12
No. Taranis is a much stronger combat ship and better for soloing/inty duels.
The Crusader on the other hand gives the better mix of speed, range and damage. It's better for small/medium gangs.
Also staying out of web in a (pulse) crusader is tricky. Overloaded webs will catch you.
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Vicky Blows
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Vicky Blows on 19/03/2009 10:33:10
The crusader must be a good little ship as well , I know everyone talks about the ranis but check out 'Kadesh Priestess' on the battleclinic killboard , she's popped everything from hacs to battles ships all solo in hers.And she's popped a lot of ranis's as well in it.
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Ig Neus
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:53:00 -
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Taranis is generally better. It is slower but has a third mid (huge advantage once you get in range) and does more damage.
In fact, it is my favorite ship. Crusader is still a nice Intie :)
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Beleti Ninhursag
Butcher the weak
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:16:00 -
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love ma sader... but it requires much more skill then the ranis.
my mwd speed is around 10k so there isnt anything faster around these days, but going at such high speeds makes it realy tricky to navigate em.. staying out of web-scram range but beeing inside lock range sudenly gets dificult.. u need quick reactions too if u dont see your target breaking ur angle... hes off 40k in 1-2 seconds..
not mentioning that bumping against a gate/station/roid will cause you a nice surprise.
if you can handle that and are willing to dump 100m into something without tank.. the sader is yours..
ranis is more the lazymode ship.. get in range, hit ur buttons and some1 will die for sure
Originally by: Dao Rheng
I'm going to be flying a megathron, but I'm still pretty new to it. I haven't been doing as much damage as I'd like to.
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hardened Heart
Originally by: arbiter reborn
my sader will **** a ranis anyday of the week, good luck getting me in webrange in your rediculousky slow ceptor
I'm a Crusader pilot and this is a load of crap. The two ships excel at what they do and who comes out alive has more to do with the pilot than the ship itself.
I prefer the Crusader simply because a well skilled pilot can easily hit 5km/sec with only a t2 fit. The deciding factor here is why everyone fits a MWD. It's the mobility factor. The decision to engage is almost ALWAYS the Crusader pilots. Flat out, I can almost out run Warrior IIs. Good luck catching me.
In an out and out dog fight I'd still bet on the Taranis over the Crusader. The Crusader will need to keep out of scram/web range the whole fight, the Taranis only needs to get in range once.
Still, the Crusader excels at more practical roles, like fast tackle support and has the (speed) tank to survive longer while still possessing the range and firepower to deal with most frigates and even some cruisers. The Taranis is like a lightly armed, faster moving Assault Frigate and unfortunately runs into the same problem as other AFs: lack of defined role.
not really 2 locus rigs you can get 14.5 km, fight at 15.5 to be safe. crusader can also be usefull with the same fit in gang and can solo most cruisers while its at it
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Beleti Ninhursag
my mwd speed is around 10k
No it isn't.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/03/2009 13:42:20
A quick EFT reveals that you can attain over 10km/s with a fit that is completely hopeless.
Gist 1MN mwd w/heat
4x domi od's
tech II velocity rigs
Snakes, Zors hyperlink and the best rogues.
So yeah, in other words, he either hasn't flown his inty since the nano-nerf or hes silly. |
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
Originally by: Beleti Ninhursag
my mwd speed is around 10k
No it isn't.
That's his speed with heat, probably.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/03/2009 13:57:23
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Stuart Price
Originally by: Beleti Ninhursag
my mwd speed is around 10k
No it isn't.
That's his speed with heat, probably.
It isn't unless his setup/implants resembles that shown above
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:30:00 -
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Ranis is great fun. Be carefull of Claws and, oddly enough, Rifters. Those two can get enough EHP and DPS to slug it out with a blaster ranis. |
Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:33:00 -
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I fly both. I love the Taranis and I hate the Crusader.
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
That's his speed with heat, probably.
It isn't unless his setup/implants resembles that shown above
My point.
With HG Snakes, Zor's and the 5 % hardwirings a MWD + 3x OD II's fitting gives you just a tad under 10k of over heated speed. Many "nano" pilots still fly with Snakes, mkay?
Oh btw, he doesn't need those faction items you listed, they were all nerfed to not affect speed. Only T2/ best named is needed, you just need the implants.
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Tara Wilde
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:46:00 -
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I can't fly crusader yet, but after comparing the pictures of a Tarans and a crusader, I think you should go for a crusader, it looks very good. also, interceptors in the real world go fast (thats why theyre called interceptors) so i think you should skill for the crusader because it is faster (i think). You won't be able to mine in ont though 
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Funtclaps
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Wilde
Edited by: Tara Wilde on 19/03/2009 14:50:06
I can't fly crusader, but after comparing the pictures of a Tarans and a crusader, I think you should go for a crusader, it looks very good. also, interceptors in the real world go fast (thats why theyre called interceptors) so i think you should skill for the crusader because it is faster (i think). You won't be able to mine in ont though
edit I don't fly them beause i prefer to mine to make my isk instead of combating people
Tara, are you sure you don't fly it because your pod's too big to fit in it?
Mine sure is, I've got a Pear-shaped pod, lols. Have to use a BC as a shuttle.
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Tara Wilde
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:07:00 -
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I don't mind you trolling me in the crime & punishment forum, but could I ask you to leave it there? he asked for advice, not for some idiot trolling his thread. I gave him advice, what did you do?
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Wilde
I don't mind you trolling me in the crime & punishment forum, but could I ask you to leave it there? he asked for advice, not for some idiot trolling his thread. I gave him advice, what did you do?
If that was advice I have to see you trolling one day...
Originally by: Rells
First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:24:00 -
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Personally I fly the Taranis a lot and always enjoyed it.
Basically you cannot get a Crusader to do as much damage as a well fitted Taranis and you cannot get a Taranis to go as fast as a well fitted Crusader. As stated before the Taranis is more often flown as a close distance ship while the Crusader usually tries to stay out of web range - that is just what happens more often in my perception and there is no rule.
You can be successful in both ships, just apply tactics that go well with your fitting.
Originally by: Rells
First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
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