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Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:29:00 - [1] I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I Shield boosting gives me 134.55 shields every 3 seconds. The eve-i.com Combat Log Analyser reports the Scouts are averaging 69.73 damage per hit. On wrecking shots I'm averaging 212.18. Excellents are at 95.08. Yay. That's using Plutonium and AM ammo. I love the range on the Moa, AM ammo optimal at 27km with 14km falloff rules. Can't wait for T2 turrets to come out... -Capt Silk Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:29:00 - [2] I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I Shield boosting gives me 134.55 shields every 3 seconds. The eve-i.com Combat Log Analyser reports the Scouts are averaging 69.73 damage per hit. On wrecking shots I'm averaging 212.18. Excellents are at 95.08. Yay. That's using Plutonium and AM ammo. I love the range on the Moa, AM ammo optimal at 27km with 14km falloff rules. Can't wait for T2 turrets to come out... -Capt Silk Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:35:00 - [3] Hey silk, long time no see ^^ Yeah, the second bonus on Moa is great... I might even try it out sometime for a nice cruiserfight :) Good night, sweet prince.
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:35:00 - [4] Hey silk, long time no see ^^ Yeah, the second bonus on Moa is great... I might even try it out sometime for a nice cruiserfight :) Good night, sweet prince.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Capt Silk I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I Shield boosting gives me 134.55 shields every 3 seconds. The eve-i.com Combat Log Analyser reports the Scouts are averaging 69.73 damage per hit. On wrecking shots I'm averaging 212.18. Excellents are at 95.08. Yay. That's using Plutonium and AM ammo. I love the range on the Moa, AM ammo optimal at 27km with 14km falloff rules. Can't wait for T2 turrets to come out... -Capt Silk Okay, I'm right there with ya but doesn't thiss still leave your shields open to EM attacks since you're favoring Thermal shield defenses ? I would have thought it might make more sense to replace the Thermal shield mod for an EM mod to balance out the shield resists since it looks like you're going for shield tanking setup, right ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Capt Silk I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I Shield boosting gives me 134.55 shields every 3 seconds. The eve-i.com Combat Log Analyser reports the Scouts are averaging 69.73 damage per hit. On wrecking shots I'm averaging 212.18. Excellents are at 95.08. Yay. That's using Plutonium and AM ammo. I love the range on the Moa, AM ammo optimal at 27km with 14km falloff rules. Can't wait for T2 turrets to come out... -Capt Silk Okay, I'm right there with ya but doesn't thiss still leave your shields open to EM attacks since you're favoring Thermal shield defenses ? I would have thought it might make more sense to replace the Thermal shield mod for an EM mod to balance out the shield resists since it looks like you're going for shield tanking setup, right ?
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:44:00 - [7] Depends on what kinda npc's he's hunting. If they're gallente they only do thermal and kinetic damage. You'll just have to check it out on eve-i.com in the object explorer. Good night, sweet prince.
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:44:00 - [8] Depends on what kinda npc's he's hunting. If they're gallente they only do thermal and kinetic damage. You'll just have to check it out on eve-i.com in the object explorer. Good night, sweet prince.
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:52:00 - [9] Edited by: Capt Silk on 17/08/2004 23:53:51 Serpentis, they use blasters, Thermal damage is my biggest worry. I do have a named EM ward sitting in dock for when I am elsewhere. With this setup today I took out a 100k cruiser before it even got within it's weapon range. It started out 50km from me. Hi Kathar, what's up? -glahti Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Capt Silk on 17/08/2004 23:53:51 Serpentis, they use blasters, Thermal damage is my biggest worry. I do have a named EM ward sitting in dock for when I am elsewhere. With this setup today I took out a 100k cruiser before it even got within it's weapon range. It started out 50km from me. Hi Kathar, what's up? -glahti Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Capt Silk Edited by: Capt Silk on 17/08/2004 23:53:51 Serpentis, they use blasters, Thermal damage is my biggest worry. I do have a named EM ward sitting in dock for when I am elsewhere. With this setup today I took out a 100k cruiser before it even got within it's weapon range. It started out 50km from me. Hi Kathar, what's up? -glahti So with no MWD you are okay with crawling about at 180'ish m/sec ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Capt Silk Edited by: Capt Silk on 17/08/2004 23:53:51 Serpentis, they use blasters, Thermal damage is my biggest worry. I do have a named EM ward sitting in dock for when I am elsewhere. With this setup today I took out a 100k cruiser before it even got within it's weapon range. It started out 50km from me. Hi Kathar, what's up? -glahti So with no MWD you are okay with crawling about at 180'ish m/sec ?
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:26:00 - [13] Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/08/2004 00:29:20 Originally by: Capt Silk I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I -Capt Silk A couple of things I noticed: 1. Don't the Tracking Computer and Tracking enhancer conflict? 2. With all of that hardware you have no real recharge cpacity, unless you have spiffy skills. I would get rid of the Shield boost amplifier and replace it with a named or T2 Cap recharger. 3. If you do agent missions out of Isaziwa you'll get a lot of named Caldari crap to replace some of that power-intensive stuff you have there. I have almost an identical setup: High: 3 250mm Prototype Gauss Guns 1 Scout Railgun 2 XR Heavy Launchers Med: Clarity Shield booster Named kinetic shield hardener Named tracking Computer Named 17.5% Cap recharger Low: Overdrive I Named Hybrid damage mod ? ? (I can't remember what is in the last two slots, but RCU/PDU/CPU, two of those) I find that I can warp in at 60 km with tungsten (optimal is like 61 km) And just head the other way at about 210. I rarely take any damage except for the occasional heavy missile strike, and at that range everything is coming right at you so tracking and lateral movement isn't a huge issue. (But the tracking computer makes sure everything hits anyways) Sure, it takes longer overall but it's far safer. In addition, it's a hack of a lot easier to warp out when you've got a full power reserve and reasonably full shields. www.hadean.org
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:26:00 - [14] Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/08/2004 00:29:20 Originally by: Capt Silk I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I -Capt Silk A couple of things I noticed: 1. Don't the Tracking Computer and Tracking enhancer conflict? 2. With all of that hardware you have no real recharge cpacity, unless you have spiffy skills. I would get rid of the Shield boost amplifier and replace it with a named or T2 Cap recharger. 3. If you do agent missions out of Isaziwa you'll get a lot of named Caldari crap to replace some of that power-intensive stuff you have there. I have almost an identical setup: High: 3 250mm Prototype Gauss Guns 1 Scout Railgun 2 XR Heavy Launchers Med: Clarity Shield booster Named kinetic shield hardener Named tracking Computer Named 17.5% Cap recharger Low: Overdrive I Named Hybrid damage mod ? ? (I can't remember what is in the last two slots, but RCU/PDU/CPU, two of those) I find that I can warp in at 60 km with tungsten (optimal is like 61 km) And just head the other way at about 210. I rarely take any damage except for the occasional heavy missile strike, and at that range everything is coming right at you so tracking and lateral movement isn't a huge issue. (But the tracking computer makes sure everything hits anyways) Sure, it takes longer overall but it's far safer. In addition, it's a hack of a lot easier to warp out when you've got a full power reserve and reasonably full shields. www.hadean.org
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.08.18 03:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Capt Silk on 18/08/2004 03:26:53 Originally by: Joke Off Originally by: Capt Silk Edited by: Capt Silk on 17/08/2004 23:53:51 Serpentis, they use blasters, Thermal damage is my biggest worry. I do have a named EM ward sitting in dock for when I am elsewhere. With this setup today I took out a 100k cruiser before it even got within it's weapon range. It started out 50km from me. Hi Kathar, what's up? -glahti So with no MWD you are okay with crawling about at 180'ish m/sec ? I do 200m/s, which isn't too bad. Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/08/2004 00:29:20 Originally by: Capt Silk I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I -Capt Silk A couple of things I noticed: 1. Don't the Tracking Computer and Tracking enhancer conflict? 2. With all of that hardware you have no real recharge cpacity, unless you have spiffy skills. I would get rid of the Shield boost amplifier and replace it with a named or T2 Cap recharger. 3. If you do agent missions out of Isaziwa you'll get a lot of named Caldari crap to replace some of that power-intensive stuff you have there. I have almost an identical setup: High: 3 250mm Prototype Gauss Guns 1 Scout Railgun 2 XR Heavy Launchers Med: Clarity Shield booster Named kinetic shield hardener Named tracking Computer Named 17.5% Cap recharger Low: Overdrive I Named Hybrid damage mod ? ? (I can't remember what is in the last two slots, but RCU/PDU/CPU, two of those) I find that I can warp in at 60 km with tungsten (optimal is like 61 km) And just head the other way at about 210. I rarely take any damage except for the occasional heavy missile strike, and at that range everything is coming right at you so tracking and lateral movement isn't a huge issue. (But the tracking computer makes sure everything hits anyways) Sure, it takes longer overall but it's far safer. In addition, it's a hack of a lot easier to warp out when you've got a full power reserve and reasonably full shields. With my setup tungston's optimal is beyond my max targeting range, I used to use it all the time with my old setup. Sitting with Serpentis between 15km-40km I never get hit, so I rarely activate the booster, and they die very very fast as they are in my optimal with AM or plutonium. I can run the hardener, 4 guns, both launchers, and the Tracking computer and keep 70% cap free to hit the booster if someone gets in close. Then the drones come out to play too. I have swapped the boost amp for a cap recharger, but seeing as I am rarely dumb or unlucky enough to be in a situation that I need the extra cap recharge, I don't use one. -Capt Silk Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Capt Silk	Posted - 2004.08.18 03:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Capt Silk on 18/08/2004 03:26:53 Originally by: Joke Off Originally by: Capt Silk Edited by: Capt Silk on 17/08/2004 23:53:51 Serpentis, they use blasters, Thermal damage is my biggest worry. I do have a named EM ward sitting in dock for when I am elsewhere. With this setup today I took out a 100k cruiser before it even got within it's weapon range. It started out 50km from me. Hi Kathar, what's up? -glahti So with no MWD you are okay with crawling about at 180'ish m/sec ? I do 200m/s, which isn't too bad. Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/08/2004 00:29:20 Originally by: Capt Silk I love the Moa. And thank you CCP for the second cruiser bonuses. Thank you Thank you. My new loadout: Highs: 1 x Carbide 250mm Rail (replacing soon to match the others) 3 x Scout 250mm Rails Meds: 1 x Thermal Dissipation field 1 x Tracking computer II 1 x Shield boost Amp 1 x Medium Shield Booster II Lows: 1 x PDU I 1 x RCU I 1 x Tracking Enhancer II 1 x Gauss Field Balancer I -Capt Silk A couple of things I noticed: 1. Don't the Tracking Computer and Tracking enhancer conflict? 2. With all of that hardware you have no real recharge cpacity, unless you have spiffy skills. I would get rid of the Shield boost amplifier and replace it with a named or T2 Cap recharger. 3. If you do agent missions out of Isaziwa you'll get a lot of named Caldari crap to replace some of that power-intensive stuff you have there. I have almost an identical setup: High: 3 250mm Prototype Gauss Guns 1 Scout Railgun 2 XR Heavy Launchers Med: Clarity Shield booster Named kinetic shield hardener Named tracking Computer Named 17.5% Cap recharger Low: Overdrive I Named Hybrid damage mod ? ? (I can't remember what is in the last two slots, but RCU/PDU/CPU, two of those) I find that I can warp in at 60 km with tungsten (optimal is like 61 km) And just head the other way at about 210. I rarely take any damage except for the occasional heavy missile strike, and at that range everything is coming right at you so tracking and lateral movement isn't a huge issue. (But the tracking computer makes sure everything hits anyways) Sure, it takes longer overall but it's far safer. In addition, it's a hack of a lot easier to warp out when you've got a full power reserve and reasonably full shields. With my setup tungston's optimal is beyond my max targeting range, I used to use it all the time with my old setup. Sitting with Serpentis between 15km-40km I never get hit, so I rarely activate the booster, and they die very very fast as they are in my optimal with AM or plutonium. I can run the hardener, 4 guns, both launchers, and the Tracking computer and keep 70% cap free to hit the booster if someone gets in close. Then the drones come out to play too. I have swapped the boost amp for a cap recharger, but seeing as I am rarely dumb or unlucky enough to be in a situation that I need the extra cap recharge, I don't use one. -Capt Silk Your 250mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon perfectly strikes Serpentis Soldier, wrecking for 319.4 damage.
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2004.08.18 04:15:00 - [17] All fine here, nice Moa setup, i'm gonna try it on my alt :) Good night, sweet prince.
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2004.08.18 04:15:00 - [18] All fine here, nice Moa setup, i'm gonna try it on my alt :) Good night, sweet prince.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.18 08:45:00 - [19] Low and medium slot tracking modules dont conflict each other :/ otherwise they be kinda pointless. I also dont use any cap recharging modules and i can take out whole belt spawns with 3-4 frigs and 1-2 cruisers before i run out of cap. I prefer to concentrate on high constant damage rather than longevity but thats just down to the individual :)
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.08.18 08:45:00 - [20] Low and medium slot tracking modules dont conflict each other :/ otherwise they be kinda pointless. I also dont use any cap recharging modules and i can take out whole belt spawns with 3-4 frigs and 1-2 cruisers before i run out of cap. I prefer to concentrate on high constant damage rather than longevity but thats just down to the individual :)
JoCool	Posted - 2004.08.18 08:56:00 - [21] Try 4 named 250mm Rails 2 named Heavy Launcher 1 525% 10mn mwd 1 medium shield booster II 1 Anointed EM Ward 1 Digithron Thermal Ward Fill the lowslots with PDUs and RCUs (you'll need some of the latter). You'll do more damage together with the two Launchers than with 4 Rails+damage+tracking mods only. Get as many scout drones as possible for your dronebay, don't forget that. Stay at range by using your mwd and blast away from long range, with good skills you will hardly get cap problems. For PvP you'll need a friend in a lightly tanked ceptor scrambling the enemy. Don't engage (not jammed) battleships like this, they'll eat you alive.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.08.18 08:56:00 - [22] Try 4 named 250mm Rails 2 named Heavy Launcher 1 525% 10mn mwd 1 medium shield booster II 1 Anointed EM Ward 1 Digithron Thermal Ward Fill the lowslots with PDUs and RCUs (you'll need some of the latter). You'll do more damage together with the two Launchers than with 4 Rails+damage+tracking mods only. Get as many scout drones as possible for your dronebay, don't forget that. Stay at range by using your mwd and blast away from long range, with good skills you will hardly get cap problems. For PvP you'll need a friend in a lightly tanked ceptor scrambling the enemy. Don't engage (not jammed) battleships like this, they'll eat you alive.
Jace San'Lanargaith	Posted - 2004.08.18 09:47:00 - [23] Fitting an MWD to a Moa and using Tungsten means you should never get hit when doing lvl 3 agent missions. For belts vary your tactics accordingly (ie keep range). Personally I dont even have a shield booster on my Moa (or hardeners for that matter).
Jace San'Lanargaith	Posted - 2004.08.18 09:47:00 - [24] Fitting an MWD to a Moa and using Tungsten means you should never get hit when doing lvl 3 agent missions. For belts vary your tactics accordingly (ie keep range). Personally I dont even have a shield booster on my Moa (or hardeners for that matter).
Kinky	Posted - 2004.08.18 10:08:00 - [25] I prefer maxing out my gun damage and using the missile launcher slots to fire light missiles/ defenders.
Kinky	Posted - 2004.08.18 10:08:00 - [26] I prefer maxing out my gun damage and using the missile launcher slots to fire light missiles/ defenders.
Elrathias	Posted - 2004.08.18 10:44:00 - [27] Originally by: FuPhal Low and medium slot tracking modules dont conflict each other :/ otherwise they be kinda pointless. I also dont use any cap recharging modules and i can take out whole belt spawns with 3-4 frigs and 1-2 cruisers before i run out of cap. I prefer to concentrate on high constant damage rather than longevity but thats just down to the individual :) they do too. everything affecthing the SAME attribute of anything gets stacking penalised. except rcu's, coprocessors and cargo expanders. they are btw penalised like this: (mod1mod2modn)^((1/n)^0.25) --------------------------
Elrathias	Posted - 2004.08.18 10:44:00 - [28] Originally by: FuPhal Low and medium slot tracking modules dont conflict each other :/ otherwise they be kinda pointless. I also dont use any cap recharging modules and i can take out whole belt spawns with 3-4 frigs and 1-2 cruisers before i run out of cap. I prefer to concentrate on high constant damage rather than longevity but thats just down to the individual :) they do too. everything affecthing the SAME attribute of anything gets stacking penalised. except rcu's, coprocessors and cargo expanders. they are btw penalised like this: (mod1mod2modn)^((1/n)^0.25) --------------------------
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.08.18 10:59:00 - [29] my npc moa doesnt use a AB or MWD either anymore (used to use a tech2 10mn but mass increase has made it kinda pointless) 4x250 proto (expensive but well worth the dmg + range increase) 2xarbalest heavies 2xhardners 1xmedium C5-L (as good as a tech2 boost per sec) 1xboost amp 1xRCU 1xPDU 1xtech2 mag field 1xtech2 tracking enhancer With cruiser 4 + gunnery skillz i can hit at over 40km with AM. Average dmg usually about 100 (all gunnery skillz at lvl4/5). Not much can get anywhere near me b4 it dies. Need fairly good skillz and a fat wallet to fit a moa out like this but the dmg it deals is incredible. And the second bonus aint too shabby (especially if u downgrade to 200mm rails and fit a named large booster. Get nearly 300 per tick) Forums: Sharks - MC
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.08.18 10:59:00 - [30] my npc moa doesnt use a AB or MWD either anymore (used to use a tech2 10mn but mass increase has made it kinda pointless) 4x250 proto (expensive but well worth the dmg + range increase) 2xarbalest heavies 2xhardners 1xmedium C5-L (as good as a tech2 boost per sec) 1xboost amp 1xRCU 1xPDU 1xtech2 mag field 1xtech2 tracking enhancer With cruiser 4 + gunnery skillz i can hit at over 40km with AM. Average dmg usually about 100 (all gunnery skillz at lvl4/5). Not much can get anywhere near me b4 it dies. Need fairly good skillz and a fat wallet to fit a moa out like this but the dmg it deals is incredible. And the second bonus aint too shabby (especially if u downgrade to 200mm rails and fit a named large booster. Get nearly 300 per tick) Forums: Sharks - MC

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