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Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 08:14:00 - [1] Originally by: Hobgoblin ll It makes no sense to me that they are in the variation info of a normal raven - but not obtainable. They are obtainable. Pony up 120 bill and you're away. As for making them more easily obtainable... no. You see there would be a tiny balance issue with introducing a ship that's hugely better than everything else it's class. Mission runners already have perfectly good faction BS to increase their earning potential with.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 09:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Hobgoblin ll Originally by: Merin Ryskin You are never, *ever* going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships, for one simple reason: they are utterly, game-breakingly, *broken*. The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight (probably ending in a very expensive loss). As generally available ships, they would be absurdly overpowered, and instantly make every other battleship in the game redundant. Best way to fly one? Pay one of the owners to let you borrow it on the test server. Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered. You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates. And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much. Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue. You might also notice little extra differences like the whopping drone bay, massive extra fittings, far more hp, etc etc.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 10:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Hobgoblin ll Originally by: Zhure This moronic thing Ive seen on this forum sofar. is the most Someone asking to buy a ship like that for more or less nothing. 20-30 billion is a lot of isk. For the average missionrunner thats up to 1000 hours of active mission-running. Even more for miners or the average belt-ratters. It's not nothing. It's more than you probably will ever have. Originally by: Zhure If you want to get a grasp about why people charge as much for it. ... Everyone that is not a complete moron like you, knows that they are so expensive because there are only a couple of them out there, it's not a big insight that you discover here, it's evident and was never questioned. My proposal was to make them a little more common - still very hard to get but not just a fixed number of only a few ships, that is never going to increase. OK, let's look at it another way: You're not getting one, so deal with it.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 12:32:00 - [4] Look, they're vastly unbalanced. The only way they're going to be available is if SOE buy out CCP. Then you will be able to buy 'em for $1000, or 3 for $2499.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 12:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Zaknussem State Issue ships will be made available for the "common man" eventually. I predict this because CCP are constantly looking for cost-effective ways to add new content, and what better way to add new content (say for the FW "endgame" or a truly Epic Mission Arc or whatever) than to use currently existing content? Look at the Magnate. For years there were only the Gold and Silver Magnates. Then CCP (finally) realised that the Amarr were missing a frigate in their ship lineup, so in came the Magnate. Same thing with the Apotheosis. Just dig out an old hull design from way back then, slap on the shuttle specs and it's good to go. It'll happen. Just don't hold your breath for it. There's a hell of a lot more "easy" content CCP could add before they're forced to make these game-breaking pwnmobiles available.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 13:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 21/03/2009 11:57:37 Let's fix a couple of rageresponses here -ccp has never said they will NEVER RELEASE another one of these ships. They have stated it was possible but unlikely they would show up in the LP store one day. -as stated above, ccp didn't intend for there to be such a limited number of these ships available. -not stated in the thread: CCP has stated they never intended these ships to carry a blackmarket tag of 80+billion isk. Never was supposed to happen. Those crying that rare ships should remain rare have a point. Those flaming OP and telling him CCP never intended for more of these to be in the game couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, when you look at what little CCP has said about the two ships, the odds are more for more of these ships ending up in the game (nerfed or not) as their current status, availability and price tag came about by happenstance, not by design. Originally by: Malcanis You're not getting one, so deal with it. Originally by: Holy Lowlander they shouldn't and won't get given away anymore. Originally by: Tippia Their whole reason to exist is to be unobtainable. Add more and you might as well remove them. Originally by: Zhure CCP will not be seeding more of them, they have said that. Originally by: Cyhawk they will NEVER be given out again. Originally by: Merin Ryskin You are never, *ever* going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships... ...The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight Whats that saying? If you repeat something enough times people will believe it to be true? I wouldn't get your hopes up, but dont listen to these posers. CCP has never stated anything hinting that the status quo was intended nor have they ever stated whether they would or wouldn't be releasing more of them in the game. They only thing they have stated is what i detailed above / what the GHSC guy said at the bottom of the last page. True words. Probably the listed people are the alts of one or two persons anyways. As to the PVP imbalance arguement: I'll beat a State Issue Raven with my Golem anytime. Better cap regen, huge shield boost bonus, better resistances and 3 utility slots for Nos/Neuts will compensate the little extra damage and the additional few thousands bufferpoints. Not to mention the TP bonus and the higher missile explosion velocity on a Golem, which makes it much better against anything faster/smaller than a battleship. Gravimetric ECM II on the State Raven = oh dear you lose. Oh hey look, 6 low slots as well. And it can use 5x heavy drones.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 14:49:00 - [7] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Wouldn't it be ****ing awesome if there was a say, a way to earn them for outstanding performance in service to your factions militia navy? Make some new badges. DUTY - A badge awarded for 1000 militia kills SKILL - A badge awarded for a 50 kill streak without being podded COMMITMENT - A badge for 20 kills/assists in one day HONOUR - Lose your ship within 5 minutes of 100 fellow militia comrades losing theirs COURAGE - A badge for 1 billion isk lost in combat Collect them all and receive the Superfaction Battleship of your militias race. 4/5 of those would be trivially easy to farm. HONOUR would take a little more effort, but for a State raven, you'd find 101-strong gangs in the caldari milita warping unfitted condors right into a few conveniently-placed gallante militia smartbombing BS.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.21 19:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Zaknussem Originally by: Malcanis There's a hell of a lot more "easy" content CCP could add before they're forced to make these game-breaking pwnmobiles available. True. But I never said they would be forced to. If anything, they will add it of their own free will. And in regards to Faction Warfare, can you think of anything better as an "endgame" reward? The above question, of course, only applies once CCP starts doing something serious with Factional Warfare, instead of letting it flap around like a dying fish. Even as a FW reward they're not a good idea. FW stats are far too susceptible to farming efforts; it really doesn't take much imagination to conceive of some players starting a set of FW corps specifically set up to do so, tucked away in some secluded bit of lo-sec - and for rewards of that scale, you can bet that they would. Hell, I would; I'd love a state raven, and maybe an Impoc too, for my own use, and what the hell, I might as well get a few more to sell. With T1 frigates and smartbombing BS, we could generate any stats required in a few days of grinding, with minimal expenditure and it wouldn't even cause a sec-hit.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Lady Serendipity There needs to be a method to increase the supply. No there doesn't.

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