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William DeMeo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.03.22 00:23:00 - [1] Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:26:01 Hello! First an introduction: I'm William DeMeo, often labelled by my friends and foes alike as the "Lion of the North" (After King GUSTAVUS II ADOLPHUS of Sweden), I have vast PVP experience (thus the nickname) and have been known to fly with such great pvp'ers as CHED (IRC might know this guy) and NEXUS KINNON who also is a regular poster on these very forums. Anyway, today I thought I'd let you guys in on a little trade secret that has given both me, CHED and NEXUS KINNON many good kills and helped us win many exciting PVP encounters. Namely, FLANKING! Flanking is a commonly overlooked tactic in PVP, not often mentioned in patch notes it is a feature that dates all the way back to 2003, to the release of the game. Long thought to be broken, through vigorous testing me, CHED and NEXUS KINNON have confirmed that flanking is a working and viable tactic. But, why should you flank? Many EVE players don't know, but on the side of the EVE ships all the vital components (such as the engine, warp drive, stra***ometer, hydraulics and oxygen tank) are located. Therefore, if you position your ship in a 90 degree angle from the opponents ship and fire straight into his side the game will register every hit as hitting a "critical part" of your enemies space vessel. In plain English; every hit will register as a "critical hit". This, of course, will increase your DPS output CONSIDERABLY. CHED's rifter has been known to put out OVER 600 dps (overloading). Not only that, but every hit will also slightly hurt your enemies capacitor (because the capacitor turnpike gravimetric consumption engine, CTGCE, is located there). The loss of capacitor power can be simply be explained by this formula: C = H X 2 Namely, with each HIT from your guns the enemy loses TWO points of capacitor. This may seem like a small amount, but it can be very useful in long, drawn out frigate fights, and here's the kicker - Against battleships this cap loss is increased by 500%! By now you're probably thinking "all this difficult math sure seems wonderful, but how do I apply it in combat?" Simple! STEP 1. Hit CTRL + Q. A common misconception is that ships in EVE can't be controlled with the WASD keys. CTRL + Q will take your ship out of boring "point and click" mode and put you in fun, fast-paced WASD mode. This is absolutely VITAL when positioning yourself in that perfect 90 degree angle you need to get the flanking bonus. STEP 2. Buy and fit a "Brotherhood's Scan Probe Launcher". You cannot find these on the market but they are farmed from complexes and are relatively cheap, I personally sell them so convo me if you need one. So what will this scan probe launcher do? Well, it will react with your ships CTCGE and hydraulics system engaging the SHARPSHOOTER system which works by automatically sending out 1000-2000 small, invisible, probes that help your targeting system locate the vital spots you want to hit on your enemies ship. Due to the hydraulics system, it will also make your ship bounce (spacebar). STEP 3. FIND A TARGET! - I don't think I need to explain this one, but a suggestion would be to load up your Brotherhood's Scan Probe Launcher with Xzibit probes for easy and fast scanning. STEP 4. Manually position yourself in a 90 degree angle on either side of your enemy's ship, once you reach a 90 degree angle you will start to notice the damage increase. This may take some practice, so I suggest practicing this with your friends before you try to do it in a REAL PVP combat engagement. STEP 5. Sit back, relax, and enjoy watching yourself pwn every killboard in the galaxy. Sidenotes: Mods, I think this is the first guide on flanking in PVP, could this be stickied? And any donations will obviously be accepted with a big smile Sincurely yours, William DeMeo. Yarr
Xailz Godless Horizon.	Posted - 2009.03.22 00:35:00 - [2] Originally by: William DeMeo Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:26:01 Hello! First an introduction: ... Used this for a while now, perfect little tactic that is unknown to many (guess not now >.<) Good Guide Xz ------ I came, i saw, i posted **** ITT.
serenekaos Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.03.22 00:43:00 - [3] Way to let the cat out of the bag.... ---------------------------- I can has cake?
Horntail	Posted - 2009.03.22 00:53:00 - [4] Quite helpfull, thanks alot for this
actuarius	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:02:00 - [5] Well then, if you open such confidential data I perhaps shall add there mine. This is really strong one. You see, if you are cloacking and flanking at same time, it would do the best trick in game. Approach as close as you can while cloacking, and then quickly uncloack and shoot from flanking position. The formula shows just how powerfull this trick is: C= (H X 2)^A X 1000! where A is number of your turrets/launchers 1000! - multiplier, nwm this
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:03:00 - [6] Can't believe you told everyone Will... Thanks for the namedrop anyway I geuss Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
CHED Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:08:00 - [7] Its a shame (and an advantage :P) that so few people know about this valid in game tactic, its about time people know. A great write up and explanation My Northern Lion. Hope it helps the rest of you!
Magnus Orin Minmatar Northern Storm	Posted - 2009.03.22 02:56:00 - [8] Good Read 10/10 ________
Joh Lan Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.22 03:03:00 - [9] Why u share dis secret with everyone?
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.22 03:18:00 - [10] tl;dr version: do not bend at 90¦ if William DeMeo is around Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan

Guer	Posted - 2009.03.22 10:33:00 - [11] quality
Phoenix Davion	Posted - 2009.03.22 11:47:00 - [12] I think that is the longest 'alt-f4 for godmode' style note I have read in a long time. Have yourself a cookie.
Nico Terces	Posted - 2009.03.22 12:14:00 - [13] You forgot to mention hiding behind walls. The most viable tactic so far against people that use missiles is to hide behind a station or someone else. Then you just pop out of the cover of your wall, shoot all your guns, and then hide again. After this you just need to wait till his missiles hit the structure or person you're hiding behind, then just repeat! He cant hit you but you can hit him!
Yashiri	Posted - 2009.03.22 13:00:00 - [14] I lol'ed
Hai Guys	Posted - 2009.03.22 14:03:00 - [15] I bunny hop, dolphin dive and corner camp a lot. It makes me unhittable.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.03.22 15:35:00 - [16] Originally by: William DeMeo great pvp'ers as [snip] NEXUS KINNON Stopped reading there tbh.
Phoenix Davion	Posted - 2009.03.22 15:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Nico Terces You forgot to mention hiding behind walls. The most viable tactic so far against people that use missiles is to hide behind a station or someone else. Then you just pop out of the cover of your wall, shoot all your guns, and then hide again. After this you just need to wait till his missiles hit the structure or person you're hiding behind, then just repeat! He cant hit you but you can hit him! Not to mention that they **** off whoever happens to get hit by them while you wait. Having reread it, I can't believe I didn't notice the spacebar hydraulics maneuver. Thereby improving it significantly over most of the trolling people come up with.
Incantare	Posted - 2009.03.22 18:30:00 - [18] Every noob should read this.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.03.22 21:45:00 - [19] If you notice people using this tactic against you a lot (and they will), it's important to find some countermeasures. The best way is to counter it actively. Moving in a straight line or orbit is too predictable and will result in them easily hitting your vulnerable systems. To counter it, constantly change your ship heading by clicking or turning randomly. While you won't move very far in space, this motion will make it much harder for your opponent to obtain the perfect 90% angle to the side of your ship. In addition to this, reinforcing your critical ship systems to make them less vulnerable to this tactic is also effective. Reinforced Bulkheads, available on the market, are useful for this role. These reduce the impact of wrecking hits by 75%, so if your opponent is hitting for nothing but wreckings (a 200% bonus to damage), you'll have reduced their overall DPS to (100+200)0.25 = 75%* of their initial output! Finally to counteract the cap draining effect, don't use cap boosters - they have more ammo than you have cap boosters. Instead, fit cap rechargers and capacitor power relays. Even better, fit many of those and a cap battery or two of the largest type available. This will make your enemy's pathetic attempts to drain your massive capacitor buffer laughable. In summary, to counter flanking: a) constantly and randomly change your heading b) fit reinforced bulkheads c) fit capacitor batteries, rechargers, and power relays __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Carl Marcus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.22 23:15:00 - [20] LMFAO....Eve humor still alive and well i see.

Triladir Gallente SPORADIC MOVEMENT	Posted - 2009.03.22 23:54:00 - [21] Shouldn't you have waited until wednesday week to post this?
Lear Hepburn Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent	Posted - 2009.03.23 06:39:00 - [22] William, I need some help with this one. I just can't get it to work. For some reason I get a crash-to-desktop every time I try to initiate WASD mode. Any ideas?
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.	Posted - 2009.03.23 08:01:00 - [23] Great, now the secret is out. Back to the evil exploit lab for me! *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.23 09:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Lear Hepburn William, I need some help with this one. I just can't get it to work. For some reason I get a crash-to-desktop every time I try to initiate WASD mode. Any ideas? The graphics switch required to engage WASD mode is a lot more intensive than normal mode, so if you are having trouble maybe trying getting the newest drivers from your vendor or perhaps buy a new graphics card? Good luck! Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Haalanii	Posted - 2009.03.23 11:13:00 - [25] Wow I thought everyone knew this already.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.23 11:35:00 - [26] I guess carriers are pretty ****ed then, that's a whole lot of side. and god dammit [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
Mickey Simon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.23 11:53:00 - [27] Nice writeup DeMeow.
SuperChunk Caldari Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 13:39:00 - [28] Edited by: SuperChunk on 23/03/2009 13:47:12 I endorse this message!!
BrottarBritta	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:03:00 - [29] Wow, that's the longest text I've seen you write w/o using a single swearword or insult I... need to go to bed now.
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:20:00 - [30] great 10/10 would read again I find it hard to control my ship with the WASD keys.... have you found a joystick that works with eve?? to allow me to pilot around the enemy and hopefully aim my guns right at the pilot. ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings

Krets Gallente Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Lear Hepburn William, I need some help with this one. I just can't get it to work. For some reason I get a crash-to-desktop every time I try to initiate WASD mode. Any ideas? The graphics switch required to engage WASD mode is a lot more intensive than normal mode, so if you are having trouble maybe trying getting the newest drivers from your vendor or perhaps buy a new graphics card? Good luck! Confirming i had the same problem but upgrading my graphics card did the trick. Flanking away!
Wensley Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:36:00 - [32] Brilliant guide. Killed a T2 Abaddon in my Reaper using the advice here. Blog \| Rifter PvP Guide
Vorn TheGC	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:04:00 - [33] My control + q, quits Eve. >.< Purge the Heretic
Orion Core Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Vorn My control + q, quits Eve. >.< Ditto. Also, there's no option listed to configure toggling WASD. My first impression, n00b that I am, is the OP was more a joke (with the following post in support of said joke).
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:12:00 - [35] When I shotted the starboard (port?) side of my enemy's ship during flanking I accidentally the whole blasters and my ship melted in half. THX FOR BAD ADVICE M8! U ARE ON PK LIST NOW. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
jinkoti boslin2 Firehawks The Church.	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:06:00 - [36] This is one of the funniest posts i read in a long time... Also, for those of you who want to know how to trap people in dead end systems, the inside wall of a stargate is its weakest point. You can actually destroy a gate with 2 frigates, especially if your using tech II small lasers. Mint!
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Orion Core Originally by: Vorn My control + q, quits Eve. >.< Ditto. Also, there's no option listed to configure toggling WASD. My first impression, n00b that I am, is the OP was more a joke (with the following post in support of said joke). Well, if you want to throw away this advantage at PvP then be my guest. If you're not convinced, then feel free to convo me ingame and I'll walk you through it step-by-step. Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:57:00 - [38] Bumping so this valuable information isn't lost to the ages. Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Saaya Illirie Caldari Core Element Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:51:00 - [39] Sticky plz. Suffer not the insufferable to live.
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.03.25 12:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Xailz Originally by: William DeMeo Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:26:01 Hello! First an introduction: ... Used this for a while now, perfect little tactic that is unknown to many (guess not now >.<) Good Guide Xz A bit early for April the 1st me thinks ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"

NobodyHolme Gallente Deep Core Fishing	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:45:00 - [41] This post is made from 100% epic win. (also, i thought it was serious for all of 30 seconds, impressive) Because I can.
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:45:00 - [42] n1
Yolaris	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:08:00 - [43] If you recently purchased an EVE account with access to carriers, this effect is for carriers and dreadnoughts and will garantee a successful solo engagement of enemies ranging from the 20-50 man numbers. Simply burn away from the station 10km and proceed to enter fast paste WADS mode.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2009.03.27 00:02:00 - [44] And now ... for those who still don't get it ... From the people who brought you *Jump Gate Take Down!* ... FLANK THE FRAKKERS!!! Thanks to Sturm Roider of Ruining With Scizzorz for the video. As usual Sturm - Excellent Work. Orbiting vs. Kiting
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2009.03.27 01:18:00 - [45] I never knew about this, I love you! Have my babies!
kangwo	Posted - 2009.03.28 18:39:00 - [46] for lord sakes....please give this a sticky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.28 19:16:00 - [47] Heretics successfully downed a Apoc in noobships using this tactic last night Please resize image to a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal I'm in denial. Post moar kitteh.
Loo Kinn	Posted - 2009.03.28 19:52:00 - [48] Op should upload to evelopedia. And i've been rick rolled, this thread be damned!
Renarla	Posted - 2009.03.29 05:31:00 - [49] I support this thread. BECAUSE OF FALCON!
laurence katra	Posted - 2009.03.29 09:26:00 - [50] hahahaha. this made my day.

Tara Wilde	Posted - 2009.03.29 12:02:00 - [51] I tried to kill a computer pirate with this, but i crashed and when I logged back on I had lost my omen and the 3x tech two miners. Are you sure you described flanking correctly?
saer prinsesse	Posted - 2009.03.29 14:31:00 - [52] Hey.. I have a problem with WASD mode.. Everytime i try to switc to it, eve crashes.. i have a new graphic card, gtx i belive, and the newest drivers i think.. and yet it crashes everytime.. I dont know if its a error in eve, or maybe Directx or something? I have made a petition to check if its a possible bug.. will let you know when i get a response from a gamemaster.. I find it hard to use the flank tactic though, but it seems like i do more damage overall with flanking.. i have gotten more of the wrecking hits i think, but i have to do some more testing.. or maybe just get better at flanking i cant find that brotherhood scan launcher, and when asking in help channel, someone mentioned i might be looking for a sister launcher i might have lost the meaning in that context, but why would i need a sister launcher? i love my sisters and is the a module that will allow me to check how much capacitor the pirates have left, as i have no idea about how much capacitor my turrets damages on them
Tara Wilde	Posted - 2009.03.29 14:36:00 - [53] on further reading of this thread I think it is a joke? Could someone from ccp please clarify this? If yes, i would like my omen replaced and william demeo given a 2-week ban. It is not funny.
saer prinsesse	Posted - 2009.03.29 15:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Tara Wilde on further reading of this thread I think it is a joke? Could someone from ccp please clarify this? If yes, i would like my omen replaced and william demeo given a 2-week ban. It is not funny. A joke? how? its a description of a fighting tactic?
Tara Wilde	Posted - 2009.03.29 15:55:00 - [55] i have tried a few times now, it just doesn't work. And the replies in this thread lead me to believe it's a joke. I hope you haven't lost anything yet, but i did. It's a shame that a forum gets used to pull pranks on fellow players. I guess William is a people pirate. The forums would be much better if people pirates would only be allowed to post on thir own forum subsection, the crime & punishment. i am considering petitioning my loss and asking ccp to ban William demeo. Stuff like this leads to player loss and thus ccp losing a lot of money.
Waiting4ambulation	Posted - 2009.03.29 16:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Tara Wilde i have tried a few times now, it just doesn't work. And the replies in this thread lead me to believe it's a joke. I hope you haven't lost anything yet, but i did. It's a shame that a forum gets used to pull pranks on fellow players. I guess William is a people pirate. The forums would be much better if people pirates would only be allowed to post on thir own forum subsection, the crime & punishment. i am considering petitioning my loss and asking ccp to ban William demeo. Stuff like this leads to player loss and thus ccp losing a lot of money. Post the killmail up here. Those who are familar with them will be able to spot the subtle clues that prove your story. It'd go a long way towards getting Demeo banned.
jamaican herbs	Posted - 2009.03.29 20:15:00 - [57] Works perfectly for me. Using CTRL + Q and then WASD to get at 90 degree angle is very very fast, much faster than flying normally. I downed a pirate caracel in 2 volleys in my vigil. Boy, he was upset. But I told him about the flanking tactics and we joined forces and we managed to pop a sliepnir. I havent tried buying the probe launcher yet but i will tomorrow I know for a fact that william demeo is an awesome pvper and a gentleman who would never lie.
feffrey	Posted - 2009.03.30 08:38:00 - [58] This thread is truly epic. This flanking maneuver is how sleepers do so much damage right?
Tara Wilde	Posted - 2009.03.30 12:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Waiting4ambulation Post the killmail up here. Those who are familar with them will be able to spot the subtle clues that prove your story. It'd go a long way towards getting Demeo banned.[/quote yes, so you can make fun of me for falling for such a dumb joke? I will ignore you from now on, sweetie I will contact william demeo later and ask for a replacement Omen, otherwise i will petition him.
MILK Monk Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.03.30 13:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Tara Wilde on further reading of this thread I think it is a joke? Could someone from ccp please clarify this? If yes, i would like my omen replaced and william demeo given a 2-week ban. It is not funny. actually it is DEADLY serious. in case you have troubles with entering WSAD mode, try to run some FPS game like Counter Strike or Uneal Trournament 2k4, which supports this mode natively, this helps a lot to keep EVE stable for WSAD mode. Just make sure your move keys are binded to WSAD also in CS or UT2k4... __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.

Frug Repo Industries	Posted - 2009.03.30 17:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Tara Wilde i am considering petitioning my loss and asking ccp to ban William demeo. Stuff like this leads to player loss and thus ccp losing a lot of money. Please let us know how this goes. We want to know. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Levizzenvivious	Posted - 2009.03.30 19:29:00 - [62] While trying out this fancy move (works great btw), my friend and I discovered this nifty trick: If you position your ship just right and you hit an extremely critical part like the warp core or the fuel cells, it will result in a massive explosion, causing the ship to rip apart violently (this is what's commonly referred to at "instapopping"). If the explodiong ship is at least cruiser size, the resulting blast will cause severe AoE damage to nearby ships (I killed a bunch of my friend's drones this way>_<). Also, is the ship has more than 50% shield left, the resulting discharge of residue shield energy will cause a massive EMP-surge to spread out from the ship 1km for each shield HP left (awesome graphical effect). The blast will instantly drain the capacitor of nearby ships, so watch out!
Zorana Lionheart	Posted - 2009.03.30 19:40:00 - [63] It is unfortunate that this trick has gotten out. I have killed many even in high sec using this. With an interceptor and an MWD using WSAD mode I can even evade Concord. Flanking is the most powerful pvp tool in the game. Nothing like a good flank gank.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.31 01:01:00 - [64] I fully endorse this product and/or service.
Suction Aspiration Band of Devs Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.31 02:50:00 - [65] Why is this utter crap still in W&T forum? True noobs will fall for this tarp. Obviously off-topic should be moved to "BS" forum.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.31 08:02:00 - [66] This whole entire thread is a utter mockery of Warfare & Tactics. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
OhShitI'mStuck	Posted - 2009.03.31 20:42:00 - [67] Ctrl + Q to change flight modes? ROFL! How many people got caught out by the "instant exit" keyboard shortcut??? Noobs - this thread is a pile of ****e - ignore it or get suckered
trader942	Posted - 2009.03.31 21:02:00 - [68] haha omg i love this and you know whats funny all these ppl moaning about it keep giving it a free bump so more ppl can read it smooth guys very smooth lol
1200 baud	Posted - 2009.03.31 21:41:00 - [69] I first discovered this while reading the FAQ. Access it via Ctrl-FAQ. Very good stuff there.. Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams
Vezarus	Posted - 2009.04.01 06:53:00 - [70] Edited by: Vezarus on 01/04/2009 06:54:09 I tried this yesterday in my rifter. Took out a noob battleship almost effortlessly! Even had a friend frap it: Major pwnage!! Cheers!!

Thaledred	Posted - 2009.04.03 12:00:00 - [71] Whenever someone tells you in a game to hit "ctrl + Q" or "ALT + F4" to get a cool feature, just ignore/block him and move on.
Darathor Omegie	Posted - 2009.04.04 06:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Haalanii Wow I thought everyone knew this already. You would be surprised at the number of gm type figures in rookie channel that don't know about the wasd thing.. (asked one and they said there wasn't a wasd feature ingame).. Out of curiosity is there anyway to convert the wasd movement to a joystick controled function? P.S ty OP again
Darathor Omegie	Posted - 2009.04.04 06:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Thaledred Whenever someone tells you in a game to hit "ctrl + Q" or "ALT + F4" to get a cool feature, just ignore/block him and move on. awwww no wasd then... /cry
Radcjk Caldari Failed Diplomacy Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.05 00:36:00 - [74] 8/10
Stygian Knight Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.07 08:46:00 - [75] Excellent guide ! 10/10
Tzest0r	Posted - 2009.04.07 10:00:00 - [76] :( i can't do the ctrl+q changed the shortcut to ctrl+alt+shift+q because i was looting with ctrl+a no flanking for me then :(
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.07 10:43:00 - [77] glue pls This is a signature not related to EVE
ry ry	Posted - 2009.04.07 11:03:00 - [78] this guide is total bull***. flanking used* to work but in RMR they patched it. the only way to get it to work now is to use a hex editor to modify the file LogServer.exe open it in your hex editor of choice and replace the first three characters with value 00. flanking will now work.
Stygian Knight Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.07 14:12:00 - [79] Originally by: ry ry this guide is total bull***. flanking used* to work but in RMR they patched it. the only way to get it to work now is to use a hex editor to modify the file LogServer.exe open it in your hex editor of choice and replace the first three characters with value 00. flanking will now work. Nope, they made it work again after apocrypha, no need for hex editor.
Stygian Knight Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.07 14:13:00 - [80] Edited by: Stygian Knight on 07/04/2009 14:13:02 double post

Maya Silverman Knowledge Stick Station	Posted - 2009.04.07 15:40:00 - [81] Confirming that flanking is indeed a viable tactic, not an exploit of broken game mechanics.
Mupfologue	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:42:00 - [82] Ctrl+Q leads to out of control QQ.
shukran fahid	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:51:00 - [83] wow ctrl+Q. first off Will this is a classic. i praise your research efforts and those named in your post!!! i would like to contribute. the ctrl+ Q "keystroke" as those of us involved in the game industry secretly refer to it as, is a very closly guarded secret. since you let the cat out, ill "trickle" some more helpful info on this subject. the keystroke actually works on many other games. i know this having helped develop many. you may want to try it on WOW or battlefield. in BF4 it actually releases the blue pill. in lay-persons terms. it freezes the server. good to note some graphix cards will have a desktop crash as a result of using this key strokes. but its only about 70% of the time so keep trying.
Umbra Bella	Posted - 2009.04.16 15:50:00 - [84] ahh, this thread reminds me of playing on battle.net and telling noobs to press alt+f4, and watch them disappear from the chat.
DiaBlo UK Killer Koalas Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.16 16:08:00 - [85] great post, would read again Originally by: CCP Navigator Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one Originally by: CCP Zulupark Trollin' with my homies!
Helo Adoniis	Posted - 2009.04.17 04:31:00 - [86] I approve of this post. It even works in missions to take out NPCs quicker. 10/10.
Anatal Klep	Posted - 2009.04.19 00:02:00 - [87] Originally by: William DeMeo Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:26:01 STEP 3. FIND A TARGET! - I don't think I need to explain this one, but a suggestion would be to load up your Brotherhood's Scan Probe Launcher with Xzibit probes for easy and fast scanning. Overall this worked much better than my usual PvP tactics. (Though I did think 947m ISK was a bit steep for a Brotherhood's Scan Probe Launcher.) However, I did encounter one problem. Commonly my target is disrupted in the conversion to WASD mode. Since the Overview isn't useful in WASD keypad mode, I need to see him to retarget. Alas, when I emerge in WASD mode he is often hidden behind my desktop teddy bear and the Xzibit probes seem to be line-of-sight. Have you found a workaround for this situation?
Arthello Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.04.19 02:00:00 - [88] Just one question: Should I hit ctrl-q before or after I've been webbed and scrambed/disrupted?
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:40:00 - [89] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 20/04/2009 23:48:53 Uh ... one tip to new people ... not that there are that many new people in this forum ... but if you are going to try out a new tactic - it is advisable to try it out against the weakest opposition you can arrange and in a ship that you don't mind losing. Getting into trouble in your big expensive mission ship you just put every ISK you had into and then deciding "Oh! I think I'll try that tactic I read on the forums!" is a recipe for disaster. The best way - is to get a person from your corporation to go try it out with you. Being in the same Player Corporation (not NPC) will let you shoot at each other with out Concorde Intervention. That is an ideal way to test your tank and any tactics you may be thinking of using. You and your corp mates can practice on each other before going somewhere that your opponents won't stop firing once they've got you all shot up, not to mention podding you when they pop your ship. Now - to take my advice on that - in case you don't believe me - get you and your corp mate in rookie ships and go shoot each other and see what happens. Don't worry - Concorde won't pod you. OBTW, here's a video of me and my buddy Crimson Claws Practicing the Flanking Maneuver in our Rookie Ships. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
TorrusTron Caldari Taiidan Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:56:00 - [90] awesome, i now know the secret ---------------------------- Wait here i will go for help

Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:58:00 - [91] This is the reason why Genos is #1 on battleclinic this month
Robelopethy Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.05.11 18:59:00 - [92] After learning of this secret, my PVP efficiency has increased by several powers of 10!
W0otZ	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:48:00 - [93] Circle strafing is great for avoiding missiles, I found.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:50:00 - [94] I'm using it right now ! --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Windsoord Maelstrom Evolution KenZoku	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:28:00 - [95] ohnoes now everyone will know one of bob/kens secrets. Just like the guy that gave a way our passive targeter/pos trick. Damn him.
Neoptolomeus Caldari Aquila Victrix DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.05.12 19:23:00 - [96] Originally by: William DeMeo Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 STEP 1. Hit CTRL + Q. A common misconception is that ships in EVE can't be controlled with the WASD keys. CTRL + Q will take your ship out of boring "point and click" mode and put you in fun, fast-paced WASD mode. ----- OMGWTF bunch of BS! ROTFLMAO! You know what's the worst part about it? I actually did log in the game to check what was my shortcut for CTRL+Q... obviously was QUIT GAME! And for the noobs, heres a good guide! Press 'ESC' button >> shortcuts >> read everything... Anywayz, good joke, although i think that someone from CCP should come and delete this post or at least place a 'tag' saying it's fake info ^_^ Not that i would mind seeing noobs coming to low sec for the 1st time logging off when engaged lol, but still...if a target is doing that, he's not worth the kill. ^^ Btw, eve NEVER HAS BEEN ALWAYS POINT AND CLICK. THERE IS NO WASD CONTROLS FOR THE GAME. Just to keep everyone aware of this bs. NEXT JOKE! --- Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus -- CEO AQUILA VICTRIX --
Exzor	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:46:00 - [97] Originally by: Windsoord Maelstrom ohnoes now everyone will know one of bob/kens secrets. Just like the guy that gave a way our passive targeter/pos trick. Damn him. Does pressing CTRL + Q reset all sovereignty?
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.05.12 22:02:00 - [98] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Originally by: William DeMeo Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 STEP 1. Hit CTRL + Q. A common misconception is that ships in EVE can't be controlled with the WASD keys. CTRL + Q will take your ship out of boring "point and click" mode and put you in fun, fast-paced WASD mode. ----- OMGWTF bunch of BS! ROTFLMAO! You know what's the worst part about it? I actually did log in the game to check what was my shortcut for CTRL+Q... obviously was QUIT GAME! And for the noobs, heres a good guide! Press 'ESC' button >> shortcuts >> read everything... Anywayz, good joke, although i think that someone from CCP should come and delete this post or at least place a 'tag' saying it's fake info ^_^ Not that i would mind seeing noobs coming to low sec for the 1st time logging off when engaged lol, but still...if a target is doing that, he's not worth the kill. ^^ Btw, eve NEVER HAS BEEN ALWAYS POINT AND CLICK. THERE IS NO WASD CONTROLS FOR THE GAME. Just to keep everyone aware of this bs. NEXT JOKE! Newbies, all this guy is trying to do is make you easy kills by telling you the WASD shortcut is fake. He knows that he can only beat you if you're stuck using the lame default point-and-click EVE. This is a post. It says stuff.
Stygian Knight I.M.M	Posted - 2009.05.13 08:12:00 - [99] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Originally by: William DeMeo Edited by: William DeMeo on 22/03/2009 00:30:33 STEP 1. Hit CTRL + Q. A common misconception is that ships in EVE can't be controlled with the WASD keys. CTRL + Q will take your ship out of boring "point and click" mode and put you in fun, fast-paced WASD mode. ----- OMGWTF bunch of BS! ROTFLMAO! You know what's the worst part about it? I actually did log in the game to check what was my shortcut for CTRL+Q... obviously was QUIT GAME! And for the noobs, heres a good guide! Press 'ESC' button >> shortcuts >> read everything... Anywayz, good joke, although i think that someone from CCP should come and delete this post or at least place a 'tag' saying it's fake info ^_^ Not that i would mind seeing noobs coming to low sec for the 1st time logging off when engaged lol, but still...if a target is doing that, he's not worth the kill. ^^ Btw, eve NEVER HAS BEEN ALWAYS POINT AND CLICK. THERE IS NO WASD CONTROLS FOR THE GAME. Just to keep everyone aware of this bs. NEXT JOKE! And you really think people are stupid and will believe you? So you can keep killing all those noobs that dont know how to flank and PvP. Flanking is real, and will be around for as long as EvE exists. --------------------------------- Good work OP, hope to se some new advance tactics released soon too o7
Fondas Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 14:24:00 - [100] Very ... informative post I'm looking forward to your next post, where you should explain more advanced "Ctrl+Q" techniques, like loops, barrel-rolls , pumping and cranking . Maybe you could advance to flight tactics like dragging , brackets and single side offsets... Free tip: Beaming (turning 90 degrees to the enemy's flight path)will break their lock, just like a successful ECM cycle !

Pwnage Star	Posted - 2009.05.13 14:55:00 - [101] Damn, i didn't know about beaming. Thx mate for sharing, cant wait to try it out o7
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2009.05.13 15:05:00 - [102] I found it took me some time to adjust to the recoil control necessary to fire multiple accurate shots, but did like the custom wav played when I scored a wrecking blow ('BOOM BRIDGE SHOT')
laurence katra	Posted - 2009.05.13 15:52:00 - [103] ^_^ we should get a fleet into a noob system and show this off to the nubs.
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2009.05.13 20:35:00 - [104] He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2009.05.14 16:34:00 - [105] Locked. Not a valid tactic. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us



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