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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:34:00 -
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 Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 23/03/2009 16:32:43
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: ry ry
ok, so you're saying that the reasons you gave for Valve being uncaring corporate types apply equally to any company. even CCP.
Yes, all those other companies that don't do what Valve do do it just as much as Valve do. Now you get it.
Right-o. So now we've established that they are both out to wring every last penny out of us, tell me again, why are CCP more important than Valve?
If you look closely, my last post was contradictory. That was intentional.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 23/03/2009 16:39:08
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 23/03/2009 16:32:43
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: ry ry
ok, so you're saying that the reasons you gave for Valve being uncaring corporate types apply equally to any company. even CCP.
Yes, all those other companies that don't do what Valve do do it just as much as Valve do. Now you get it.
Right-o. So now we've established that they are both out to wring every last penny out of us, tell me again, why are CCP more important than Valve?
If you look closely, my last post was contradictory. That was intentional.
How exactly are you measuring the extent of a company's uncaring corporate-ness? is there a standard measure for these things?
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Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:38:00 -
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Stop now before your quoting becomes a singularity!
"The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
how exactly are you measuring the extent of a company's uncaring corporate-ness?
How much they see it as a product to sell vs. how much they see it as something more. Valve chose their side in that with Steam. CCP, while money-grabbing and cearbearising in some ways, are still sticking with the virtualworld/singleserver/don'tlikeitGTFO/nichegame vision to a decent degree.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: ry ry
how exactly are you measuring the extent of a company's uncaring corporate-ness?
How much they see it as a product to sell vs. how much they see it as something more. Valve chose their side in that with Steam. CCP, while money-grabbing and cearbearising in some ways, are still sticking with the virtualworld/singleserver/don'tlikeitGTFO/nichegame vision to a decent degree.
but that's just the difference between a mainstream games publisher and a niche MMO publisher. it's not really got much to do with how good they are.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
but that's just the difference between a mainstream games publisher and a niche MMO publisher. it's not really got much to do with how good they are.
I don't know any other games publishers who have done anything like Steam. EA have taken some steps in that general direction, Stardock to a small degree? That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:54:00 -
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i like to think of that as innovation.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:55:00 -
[68]
Originally by: ry ry
i like to think of that as innovation.
Things can be innovative and bad at the same time. Innovation for innovation's sake doesn't make a company good. Innovation for the sake of reducing the quality of their products, that certainly doesn't make them good.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Togg Bott
people love to hate Eve?
Yep, a lot of people are too simpleminded to grasp the larger concept of what EVE is, and throw their console-gaming hands up at the first sign of complexity.
Or you are to simpleminded to accept that people want different things from their entertainment. What draws people to eve may be different however the complexity is just a bonus point. Eve can be simple or complex depending upon your play style and what you do in the game. The sheer amount of time to do something in this game can be a very valid turn off for most people. Some people want quick entertainment in a 15-30 minute time space before they run off to do something else, heck you need more than 15 minutes just to buy and fit a ship most of the time. Getting all superior nerd-like because this game takes time and e-effort has to be one of the dumbest things I've read for a while.
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jst tstng
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:04:00 -
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Sorry CCP you're not gonna win this one
>>>>> The Cake is a lie <<<<
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Reiisha
Evolution
Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
People need to stop comparing games, but comparing what the companies has ment for the industry. Valve has given us some games, CCP has given us a universe with an economy, and are pioneering server tehnology.
CCP deserves to win the award over valve.
As much as you might hate it, but Steam is pretty damn revolutionary. Steam and its siblings will probably save the game industry in the long run.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tellenta
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Togg Bott
people love to hate Eve?
Yep, a lot of people are too simpleminded to grasp the larger concept of what EVE is, and throw their console-gaming hands up at the first sign of complexity.
Or you are to simpleminded to accept that people want different things from their entertainment. What draws people to eve may be different however the complexity is just a bonus point. Eve can be simple or complex depending upon your play style and what you do in the game. The sheer amount of time to do something in this game can be a very valid turn off for most people. Some people want quick entertainment in a 15-30 minute time space before they run off to do something else, heck you need more than 15 minutes just to buy and fit a ship most of the time. Getting all superior nerd-like because this game takes time and e-effort has to be one of the dumbest things I've read for a while.
This would be quite true, if this poll was "what is your favorite game". But it's not, it's not even what is the best game, it's who is the best dev. And it is true that CCP are getting shot down because EVE is too slow and complex for these people. Their preferences are their own and none of anyone else's business, but their inability to put them aside for one moment to consider the question actually being asked validates Gamer4liff's comment. Except the console part.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Dammit, it's not fair. Both CCP and Valve love their customers, I love both of them back...
Now you're asking to make me chose between The Orange Box and EVE! This is impossible... 
This. It's a weird thing to choose between.
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Sarah sindoff
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:36:00 -
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only 300 votes in it, COME ON people
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
This would be quite true, if this poll was "what is your favorite game". But it's not, it's not even what is the best game, it's who is the best dev. And it is true that CCP are getting shot down because EVE is too slow and complex for these people. Their preferences are their own and none of anyone else's business, but their inability to put them aside for one moment to consider the question actually being asked validates Gamer4liff's comment. Except the console part.
So you're saying if someone developed an exquisitely complex game, which you however did not like. However you're hopelessly addicted to say, Hello Kitty World Domination which while fun was not as intracately put together you would be forced to vote for the game developers that developed a game that you though was a steaming pile of poo?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tellenta
So you're saying if someone developed an exquisitely complex game, which you however did not like. However you're hopelessly addicted to say, Hello Kitty World Domination which while fun was not as intracately put together you would be forced to vote for the game developers that developed a game that you though was a steaming pile of poo?
At one point you posit this more complex game is one which I dislike, and later that it is one which I think is a bad game. Since the answer is different in each case, you will need to clarify which question you mean to ask. Also you seem to be equating complexity and quality.
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:02:00 -
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Valve has a bigger variety of games and the best support for its games out of any developer. CCP has EVE, and support it amazingly well... but its one great game vs a dozen great games
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/03/2009 18:05:28
Originally by: TheGunslinger42
Valve has a bigger variety of games and the best support for its games out of any developer. CCP has EVE, and support it amazingly well... but its one great game vs a dozen great games
I am offered a Ç100 note or 100 1c coins. The Ç100 is very nice, but it's one unit of money vs. a hundred units of money.
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
People need to stop comparing games, but comparing what the companies has ment for the industry. Valve has given us some games, CCP has given us a universe with an economy, and are pioneering server tehnology.
CCP deserves to win the award over valve.
Oh please, Valve has had far more of an effect on the gaming industry than CCP has. Want to know how? Digital distribution. Valve have been at the head of the pack in that area of the gaming industry for the better part of a decade, and it's having more of an effect on the industry than eve's complex economy is
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:39:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Tellenta
So you're saying if someone developed an exquisitely complex game, which you however did not like. However you're hopelessly addicted to say, Hello Kitty World Domination which while fun was not as intracately put together you would be forced to vote for the game developers that developed a game that you though was a steaming pile of poo?
At one point you posit this more complex game is one which I dislike, and later that it is one which I think is a bad game. Since the answer is different in each case, you will need to clarify which question you mean to ask. Also you seem to be equating complexity and quality.
What I'm trying to say is that it is impossible to judge a developer and not base it off what game you find better in your own personal opinion. Granted I voted for CCP after being shocked in to the realization that I registered with escapist at some point or another. First person shooters lost there gleam to me somewhere between Wolfenstein and Halo (1) and I couldn't think of a game that valve produced that has held my attention for several years. All of this is however personal views and eve's amazing infrastructure and inherent complexity really in the end had nothing to do with my vote it was purely do I like what CCP makes more than Valve makes. To make the claim that someone is "simple" because what they look for in entertainment is different than your own doesn't make them wrong, though claiming some sort of mental superiority because of what computer game you play is however very simple.
The competition is supposed to be developer v developer, the best and most obvious way to choose is do they make games you enjoy. However doing the lazy mans research you could always resort to the internet.
CCP:
EvE
Valve:
Left4dead: heard good things.
Halflife2: heard good things
Team Fortress 2: Heard good things.
Portal: heard good things, and apparently an endless source for meme's
Counter Strike source: Played it thought it was fun, but I'm done with FPS.
Day of Defeat: never heard of it.
Just looking at that Valve produces quite a few games that have replay value.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:48:00 -
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I just don't get what would possess someone to name himself crumplecorn.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:49:00 -
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And yeah, I know how that sounds coming from me.
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Kiviar
Caldari
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:50:00 -
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The Fanboi is strong in this thread hmmm.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
I just don't get what would possess someone to name himself crumplecorn.
Frug? Are you the corrupted version of frog? Like lol and lul.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Armoured C
Gallente
Armoured Investments
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:28:00 -
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76.3% (957)
76.3% (957)
(7) CCP
23.7% (297)
23.7% (297)
not good
join from 10,000 isk per share
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:31:00 -
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Oh no the company of a game I play got outvoted as favorite by a bestselling company on an obscure gaming forum. I am crushed. I am going to put Dashboard Confessional on loop now.
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Simokon
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:35:00 -
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Goonswarm get in there and rig the votes so CCP wins the tournament
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Baron Agamemnon
Caldari
Holy Grail Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:40:00 -
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Valve makes good fps games.
CCP makes the only worthwhile MMORPG.
They do not really compare.
Both good :)
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:07:00 -
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i voted for eve, just cus, well, duh.
however this match up is like puting hibbs up against the german national team. hibbs may fight dirty but the germans will still win.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
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The thing Valve/Steam really have over CCP is the way they help indy developers publish their games and reach a wider audience without fleecing them and turn it into a mutually beneficial deal.
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