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Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:58:00 - [31] Poasting in a goon'alt thread.
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Marketman Originally by: Kuar Z'thain You're still whining, btw. Please take a moment to point out where I am complaining about any individual case (whining in your parlance) and then review the posts, then buy a dictionary and look up "Please" "concise" and clarify" The bolded words in your original post sure sound like whining when you speak them aloud. "HEY EVE, THIS IS A POST FOR CCP ONLY, DON'T MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL FOR ASKING THIS HERE!" "HEY CCP, DON'T LOCK THIS POST THAT HAS THE EXACT SAME CONTENT AS THREE OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS MATTER, I'M TRYING TO MAKE YOU LOOK STUPID!" ...not that it takes much to make CCP look stupid at this point. Just saying you're doing this all wrong. Kuar I am asking for simple clarification, in terms that even an idiot like me can understand on one issue, under what terms/conditions can a alliance get a free name change, the wiki gives a certain amount of situations where CCP will forcibly make a change, and does say outside this a name change will not happen. but there has been a change in policy and I dont believe its unreasonable to aske what that change is?
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Marketman Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Marketman Originally by: Kuar Z'thain You're still whining, btw. Please take a moment to point out where I am complaining about any individual case (whining in your parlance) and then review the posts, then buy a dictionary and look up "Please" "concise" and clarify" The bolded words in your original post sure sound like whining when you speak them aloud. "HEY EVE, THIS IS A POST FOR CCP ONLY, DON'T MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL FOR ASKING THIS HERE!" "HEY CCP, DON'T LOCK THIS POST THAT HAS THE EXACT SAME CONTENT AS THREE OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS MATTER, I'M TRYING TO MAKE YOU LOOK STUPID!" ...not that it takes much to make CCP look stupid at this point. Just saying you're doing this all wrong. Kuar I am asking for simple clarification, in terms that even an idiot like me can understand on one issue, under what terms/conditions can a alliance get a free name change, the wiki gives a certain amount of situations where CCP will forcibly make a change, and does say outside this a name change will not happen. but there has been a change in policy and I dont believe its unreasonable to aske what that change is? I think you missed a post.
The Riddik	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:00:00 - [34] lol posting in a goon alt thread
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:09:00 - [35] Edited by: Marketman on 24/03/2009 22:14:23 I think many of us are missing points, some valid made by others.. To clarify I really dont give a monkeys toss about what some allinace in 0.0 is called. I am concerned that to play this game effectively we have to have faith that the rules and guidelines are in effcet and apply to all. We also need to know when and if they change. Some of the guidelines are a little "vague" to say the least. If you take time to read, and step away from loyalties and read what is posted, I am not asking for justification in the current high profile case, because I really dont care what they call themselves, I am asking for clear guidelines on when and it what situation CCP will give a free name change. In the case of renaming the guidelines are pretty specific, not something written by me or anyone else opposed to the entity that has been highlighted, the guidelines are written by CCP. If those guidelines have been changed then surely we all should be informed. the OP in this post requested politely that we ALL are given the current guidelines
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Marketman Originally by: Cypherous Logic dictates that using some sense you can roughly figure out what kind of scenario's you might get a name changed, if you need more clarification WoW is that way ---> Logic does , and for that logic I go and look at CCP's published guidelines for such changes. the problem here is that the guidelines have changed and the player base is not aware of that change, and I am requesting that the change of policy on name changing is made public so all are aware of the criteria - is that an unreasonable request? No what you're asking for is a list of times when you can petition to have a name changed, it will be down to each individual case and not be a blanket "If you meet 3 of these criteria we will change your name" kinda deals CCP have published on the wiki the circumstances when names will be changed But obviously havent updated it, so where better to introduce the new criteria than here
Wang Ping	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:20:00 - [37] Beaver dev nepotism defense force gogogo.
Juiblex Jabell	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Gefex the situation warranted such action I think that's the bit that everyone wants to know the answer to. What was it specifically about this situation that warranted such action. Because at the moment it looks like there really isn't one. No rules were broken prior to the change, yet CCP deem it necessary to break their own rules to help fix player mistakes. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. Re-posted just to "clarify" again To clarify the situation for you, KenZoku have been around for a while, they were never disbanded. They maintained their sov unchanged when bob disbanded. Ex BoB corps joined this long standing alt alliance with 9ish systems so they could be in a place with sov 3 since all their space lost sov and have the benefits of sov 3. They petitioned CCP to change the existing alliance name to BOBR because the name was important to them. CCP sat on it for a few months not knowing what to do because as many people can see its not in their policy to change names of long standing alliances because some corps that joined you liked another name better. They only special situation here is that situation that it is BoB asking for the name change and not any other alliance in EVE. GS issue it that it is free Sov 3 giving to BoB where any other alliance would have to live with the name or go back and build up sov again. Many of the Eve populations issue is why the double standard? Why can't I change my name, my situation is no different from BoBs? What else has CCP been giving their favored players that isnt so blatantly obvious.
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:24:00 - [39] Originally by: Wang Ping Beaver dev nepotism defense force gogogo. Thank you for your insightful input
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Juiblex Jabell Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Gefex the situation warranted such action I think that's the bit that everyone wants to know the answer to. What was it specifically about this situation that warranted such action. Because at the moment it looks like there really isn't one. No rules were broken prior to the change, yet CCP deem it necessary to break their own rules to help fix player mistakes. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. Re-posted just to "clarify" again To clarify the situation for you, KenZoku have been around for a while, they were never disbanded. They maintained their sov unchanged when bob disbanded. Ex BoB corps joined this long standing alt alliance with 9ish systems so they could be in a place with sov 3 since all their space lost sov and have the benefits of sov 3. They petitioned CCP to change the existing alliance name to BOBR because the name was important to them. CCP sat on it for a few months not knowing what to do because as many people can see its not in their policy to change names of long standing alliances because some corps that joined you liked another name better. They only special situation here is that situation that it is BoB asking for the name change and not any other alliance in EVE. GS issue it that it is free Sov 3 giving to BoB where any other alliance would have to live with the name or go back and build up sov again. Many of the Eve populations issue is why the double standard? Why can't I change my name, my situation is no different from BoBs? What else has CCP been giving their favored players that isnt so blatantly obvious. I apologise, but your wrong here.. the question is what is the criteria to get a name change, the posted policy by CCP is quite specific, and outside their posted policy/guidelines there is no way to get a name changed. I dont say there is any double standard, or favouritism, but there must be a change of policy /guidelines and anyone who may be in a postion to change their name should be informed of that change of policy.
Lady Branwen Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Kalissa Dauntless It's CCP's software, their servers, their EULA, their rules. It quite clear states in the EULA they can do this and various other things too. You "signed" the EULA, so you're bound by it. It's done. Stop whining. haha wow you are joking right? so we signed the eula so you get anything you want while the rest of us have to earn every last little thing we get, i don't think mate, we signed a eula that encompasses every player no matter who they are, and they all have the right to EQUAL treatment, NOT "all animals are equal except the PIGS who are a little bit more equal than the rest" thanks very much. you cheeky ****er.
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:11:00 - [42] BoBR are a bunch of whinging cheating pu%%s83s Goons are the worst posters in Eve the rest of us ? we would like to know why some alliances get favoritism. can you at least pretend to care about your customers and post some response ? ibtl
Advice Dog	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:22:00 - [43] As a BOBR alt it would be nice if other circumstances of alliance name changes could be referenced in a vain attempt to stem the usual projectile vomit of dev favouritism and goon propaganda that accompanies any small ray of sun we get in what is a massive, and i mean fecking massive setback.
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:28:00 - [44] Edited by: Marketman on 24/03/2009 23:33:52 Can we keep the spewing of vitriol out of this thread please. this thread is NOT about specific cases, but a request for clarification. those trying to railroad the thread down a path regarding one alliance are probabaly going ensure this thread is locked without the responce requested. IF CCP do respond with a answer that gives the player base a framework that is feasible and resolves the issues raised in other threads then by all means refer back to the official reply in here, in the mean time if you have nothing constructive to add to the request for clarification then go troll elsewhere
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:54:00 - [45] Having had a chat with a GM, apparently the question in the OP is too vague So I will refine the question to enable all the player base to get a definative answer: CCP has guidlines where they will forcibly rename a character/corportaion/alliance, these guidelines are publicaly available on the Eve wiki.. Player requests for renaming are not specificaly mentioned anywhere, can we please have an official defination on the critria needed by a player request on a name change and an explanation on why that differs from the CCP stated policy on name changing
Juiblex Jabell	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Marketman I apologise, but your wrong here.. the question is what is the criteria to get a name change, the posted policy by CCP is quite specific, and outside their posted policy/guidelines there is no way to get a name changed. I dont say there is any double standard, or favouritism, but there must be a change of policy /guidelines and anyone who may be in a postion to change their name should be informed of that change of policy. The criteria doesn't seem to have changed, multiple people have asked recently can their name, corp, or alliance be changed and have been denied referencing the current posted CCP policy regarding name changes. The only reason could be the special situation of BoB being BoB imo.
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:19:00 - [47] Quote: The only reason could be the special situation of BoB being BoB imo. You are calling a foul without the full facts, without knowing the full guidelines on name changing we cannot make a judgement. Obviouisly something has changed from CCP's stated position on this, and it would benefit all players to know just how the policy has changed, cerainly a stealth change benefits no-one
mrspiggy Viziam	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:27:00 - [48] I think everyone who has petitioned for a name change should post here, detailing their situation and wether or not CCP changed their name. I'd like to see all those that did. Avon you can reply if you really have to but we know what your result was! :p
Cipher7	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:28:00 - [49] I could be wrong but I seem to remember there was an alliance a couple years ago that got a name change, I think they removed a period from the name. Like it was XXXX. and they changed it to XXXX, I think because it was causing database problems. As far as the "stian alliance" how the hell do you typo a $1 billion isk asset? What, you didn't have enough Ritalin in the house to read the screen 2 or 3 times to make sure it was correct before you hit enter? Personally, I think corp and alliance identities should be sacrosanct. You can take away their ships, their towers, their clones, but a name should remain forever. And I think CCP agrees with me, and I think that's why they made this decision. And I bet you they're looking at the mechanic right now and finding out how they can prevent it from happening again in the future. Eve is about space warfare, economy, industry etc, losing your corporate identity while you sleep because of some spy alt, is simply absurd and has no place in gaming. I mean imagine if Bill Gates woke up one morning and found out Steve Ballmer fired 40,000 employees at 3:42 AM and sold all the company assets to IBM including the Microsoft name. The whole premise is just dumb and makes no sense even in a video game. ---
mrspiggy Viziam	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Cipher7 I could be wrong but I seem to remember there was an alliance a couple years ago that got a name change, I think they removed a period from the name. Like it was XXXX. and they changed it to XXXX, I think because it was causing database problems. As far as the "stian alliance" how the hell do you typo a $1 billion isk asset? What, you didn't have enough Ritalin in the house to read the screen 2 or 3 times to make sure it was correct before you hit enter? Personally, I think corp and alliance identities should be sacrosanct. You can take away their ships, their towers, their clones, but a name should remain forever. And I think CCP agrees with me, and I think that's why they made this decision. And I bet you they're looking at the mechanic right now and finding out how they can prevent it from happening again in the future. Eve is about space warfare, economy, industry etc, losing your corporate identity while you sleep because of some spy alt, is simply absurd and has no place in gaming. I mean imagine if Bill Gates woke up one morning and found out Steve Ballmer fired 40,000 employees at 3:42 AM and sold all the company assets to IBM including the Microsoft name. The whole premise is just dumb and makes no sense even in a video game. Correct, then why can no one else seem to get a justified name change then?
Cipher7	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:35:00 - [51] Originally by: mrspiggy Correct, then why can no one else seem to get a justified name change then? Who else lost their corp/alliance name and can't get it back? ---
Marketman	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:38:00 - [52] Quote: Hello **** I am GM *. Thank you for contacting customer support. Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience. we cannot change your name as we have a strict policy about it. You can find more infos about it here https://support.eve-online.com/Pages...cle.aspx?id=37 Best regards, GM ***** EVE Online Customer Support So names cannot be changed- or can they? For the sake of consistency we can we please be told the critria for changing names
Cipher7	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Marketman So names cannot be changed- or can they? For the sake of consistency we can we please be told the critria for changing names The criteria is when you lose your corp/alliance name to an unintended game mechanic. ---
Speaker Dead	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:46:00 - [54] Can we have a total ban of the Goonwhine alts? It's getting a bit idiotic.... Why does CCP owe you and explanation? Where does it state in your contract with CCP that they must explain all their decisions to you personally? How about you kids ragequit and run back to wow? Who cares anyway, you sound like a bunch of whiny spoiled children..."They got an Ice cream and I didn't! WAAAAAA" Perhaps they finally figured out that something may have not been as legit as claimed by Goonspawn?
Cipher7	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:51:00 - [55] CCP CEO : "Joe Blow wants an explanation, Wrangler I want you to get right on that." ---
Reilly Jax Amarr Freespace Technologies	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:14:00 - [56] Edited by: Reilly Jax on 25/03/2009 01:14:57 Edited by: Reilly Jax on 25/03/2009 01:14:36 I made this flow chart to help you folks out in understanding the new name change criteria. http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flowchart.png

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