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HUN HANNIBAL	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:08:00 - [1] the person Sokratesz is the scammer. he made an auction for a wyvern and for a nyx. i b\o a wyvern. but when the isk vere sent-he just logged and added me to ban list. the adress of topic is: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1028199 is it possible to return the money?
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:12:00 - [2] He obviously accidentally the whole wyvern.
Tacitus Krekt Tactical Rebellion	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:17:00 - [3] No. Character trades would be different if there were eve-mails exchanged confirming of the sale -- but in the case of item auctions (in this case, the nature of Supercapital trading) -- you have to REALLY trust the person, or use a third party to hold the isk. As far as I know, there is no binding obligation from whatever dialogue the two of you had that lead up to you wiring isk to his account. Supercapital trading = evemail Chribba
HUN HANNIBAL	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:19:00 - [4] anyway is it awailiable to return money? all logs and mail the topic with the auction is printscrinned if he will decide to modify it.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/03/2009 06:22:56 Lol. I read that auction yesterday. Anyone that demands isk up front from chibbypoo is a scammer. Also, no, your not going to get your isk back as there were no out of game mechanics or exploits used. You decided to send the isk, he simply decided to not uphold his part of the deal. Think of it as a fancy type of freeform scam.
HUN HANNIBAL	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:49:00 - [6] anyway its rather big summ of money and hope GM will solve the problem. at least everyone will know that its a scammer...
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:03:00 - [7] Oh lol... It would seem that your grasp on game mechanics is as poor as your grasp of the English language. GMs won't get you your monies back. Well played Sok.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:05:00 - [8] Nope, all your ISK is gone (unless Sokratesz gives it back to you) and there is nothing the GMs can do for you. Sorry. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Absalom Marathon The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:39:00 - [9] Whyyyyyyyyyyy do ppl fall for this. Seriously?!
XrayZ Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 08:01:00 - [10] this was a 'auction' without contract... so if u give someone ur isk ( a quite big amount ) and dont get a trusted 3rd party to hold isk or whatever, then ur pretty much screwd. so gj sok, keep it up :) --------------------------------------

HUN HANNIBAL	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:12:00 - [11] so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?)
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:15:00 - [12] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?) Well its not like they hold their hands and show them how and stuff, but yeah. If you don't break the EULA then you can scam people.
xHazzarDx Roevhuller i Rummet	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:26:00 - [13] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?) You sent some dude your isk, because of his "word" on a deal. This isnt CCP's or the GM's responsibility to prevent, or correct afterwards, but your own responsibility.. CCP do not support of condone scamming, they simply allow it to be done.. YOU are solely responsible for who YOU chose to thrust, and spotting potential contract scams.. CCP are not here to make the correct decisions for you, nor clean up the bad ones made..
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:29:00 - [14] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?) If you have more ISK than braincells someone out there is going to equalise that.
HUN HANNIBAL	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:32:00 - [15] but it look after character trading. but its an ingame "item". anyway they look for scams and block scammers. in THEIR official forum thread made by scammer. why dont they do any mechanics to make transfer safe as they did for a timecodes and characters. there is no other way to buy such items like motherships. but CCP do noothing? strange situation
Mickey Simon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:36:00 - [16] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 25/03/2009 10:35:47 Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL but it look after character trading. but its an ingame "item". anyway they look for scams and block scammers. in THEIR official forum thread made by scammer. why dont they do any mechanics to make transfer safe as they did for a timecodes and characters. there is no other way to buy such items like motherships. but CCP do noothing? strange situation Character trading involves real money. That is why CCP take such a hard line on it. In game scamming however, is part of the game and perfectly legitimate. Lark put it quite succinctly. If you've got too much ISK and not enough brains, there will always be someone to correct this error.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:48:00 - [17] Scamming is an endorsed and viable source of income in this game. If you don't mind me asking... Where did you get so much isk without realising this yourself? Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:52:00 - [18] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/03/2009 10:52:49 Originally by: Lady Spank Scamming is an endorsed and viable source of income in this game. If you don't mind me asking... Where did you get so much isk without realising this yourself? Its only viable if your good at it.. something that im not :( (SO CLOSE!!!) Edit: Oh, that means Nexxy that unfortunately your cut is zero.. I'd have mailed it to you, but I thought having it out in the open like this is really the best way. Sorry to have let you down.
AntonioBanderas Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:54:00 - [19] uh, aren't deals made on forums binding? iirc you must hold your part of the deal if it was made poblically on eve-o... correct me if i'm wrong __________________________________________________ I can say ASS!!! And **!!!! \o/
Akasa Dwarf	Posted - 2009.03.25 11:00:00 - [20] you got scammed and you don't like it So what just learn from the lesson and don't let it happen again

Salikh Thane	Posted - 2009.03.25 11:15:00 - [21] Originally by: AntonioBanderas uh, aren't deals made on forums binding? iirc you must hold your part of the deal if it was made poblically on eve-o... correct me if i'm wrong That's a negative. From the Sell Order forum rules: Quote: 16. Trading is not binding, if one party does not honor an agreement made on these forums, ISD or CCP may not be able to help you.
Renarla	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:25:00 - [22] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?) Scamming is a valid game mechanic. (So long as it's not a character trade for non-PLEX GTC trade)
Kinky Girl	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:38:00 - [23] I'm willing to help you with this issue, I've also been scammed by this person and successfully managed to get my ISK returned by the GMs with a legal argument that they didn't want to face. Please send all the details (including chat logs) you have to me via an EVEmail, I'll also require a 2 Billion ISK returnable deposit to prove that you aren't timewasting. Hopefully we should have a resolution before the end of the week.
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/03/2009 10:52:49 Originally by: Lady Spank Scamming is an endorsed and viable source of income in this game. If you don't mind me asking... Where did you get so much isk without realising this yourself? Its only viable if your good at it.. something that im not :( (SO CLOSE!!!) Edit: Oh, that means Nexxy that unfortunately your cut is zero.. I'd have mailed it to you, but I thought having it out in the open like this is really the best way. Sorry to have let you down. you suck Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Epegi Givo Amarr Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:31:00 - [25] if you had 18 bill then you should be able to afford a merc corp to gank the scammer to death. When people start to learn what you do to people who scam you then they are less likely to scam you. ------------------------------------- My other alt is a Ferrari
Sokratesz Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:33:00 - [26] - Client was very eager to get Wyvern - I wasn't intending to scam from the start, but he never mentioned chribba and offered a deposit right away - Client displayed a certain degree of naivety in terms of understanding game mechanics A golden opportunity, to say so. I won't bother with the chat logs as they are fairly boring. I just wish to stress that this was a solo action, and that I wasn't representing anyone else other than myself. I have already received communications from Caldari Provisions that they do not condone this behaviour but will not take disciplinary action this time because of my lasting loyalty and service to the Caldari State. On a last note, I wish to ask the client a question. If I returned the ISK right now, would your feelings towards me remain hostile? If so, you appear to have attached your ego to a 'video game' in a degree that is not deemed healthy by most Psychiatrists, and I would advise professional counselling. - Sok.
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:45:00 - [27] how in the world do dumb people get all this isk... AND WHY DONT THEY JUST GIVE IT TO ME!
Sokratesz Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:15:00 - [28] I would like to add one more observation, unrelated to the client, but regarding the entire process. I have noticed a very strong correlation between the degree to which an Eve player knows me and the degree with which they applaud my course of action. It is not quite 100%, but very, very strong indeed.
Myz Toyou Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Sokratesz I would like to add one more observation, unrelated to the client, but regarding the entire process. I have noticed a very strong correlation between the degree to which an Eve player knows me and the degree with which they applaud my course of action. It is not quite 100%, but very, very strong indeed. Hi Sok, still that desperate to get as quick as possible in a Titan it looks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Sokratesz I would like to add one more observation, unrelated to the client, but regarding the entire process. I have noticed a very strong correlation between the degree to which an Eve player knows me and the degree with which they applaud my course of action. It is not quite 100%, but very, very strong indeed. Sok i've missed your bald head so much mate ^^ This was awesome and i support you fully great work mate my corp has a space for you should you ever want a new home mate just remember the good old days from paradox :) <3 you man in the most manly way possible and you have my support in scamming this particular group of russians salutes --------- Liberty Rogues Site[/center]

DREAMWORKS Gallente POOPOOHEAD PATROL CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:54:00 - [31] Sok - you are a Thief,and nothing else. DREAMWORKS __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DREAMWORKS Gallente POOPOOHEAD PATROL CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:58:00 - [32] Cypherous -- If you let him join your corp, i will kill him over and over. DREAMWORKS __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Sokratesz Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:03:00 - [33] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Cypherous -- If you let him join your corp, i will kill him over and over. DREAMWORKS Originally by: DREAMWORKS Sok - you are a Thief,and nothing else. DREAMWORKS Mocht het ooit zover komen, succes. Ik maak slechts gebruik van mogelijkheden die mij geboden worden, of voel je diep van binnen een angst dat het jou ooit overkomt? ;)
DREAMWORKS Gallente POOPOOHEAD PATROL CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:17:00 - [34] No- i just dont like Thief's WATJE DREAMWORKS __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:19:00 - [35] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?) CCP actively support scammers as one of the occupations they list in EVE advertisements ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Epegi Givo if you had 18 bill then you should be able to afford a merc corp to gank the scammer to death. When people start to learn what you do to people who scam you then they are less likely to scam you. Not possible. He will be sitting in a station all day transfering proceeds to his main. Average scammer has 2 brain cells so best bet is to scam him back with identical scam. ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
Sokratesz Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:31:00 - [37] Edited by: Sokratesz on 25/03/2009 16:31:46 Originally by: Lola Fang \ He will be sitting in a station all day transfering proceeds to his main. Average scammer has 2 brain cells so best bet is to scam him back with identical scam. Hate to say it but..you have no idea who I am, do you
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: DREAMWORKS Cypherous -- If you let him join your corp, i will kill him over and over. DREAMWORKS Originally by: DREAMWORKS Sok - you are a Thief,and nothing else. DREAMWORKS Mocht het ooit zover komen, succes. Ik maak slechts gebruik van mogelijkheden die mij geboden worden, of voel je diep van binnen een angst dat het jou ooit overkomt? ;) Originally by: DREAMWORKS WATJE first off, you arent allowed to use any other language then english on the public forums apparently second: NEDERLAND!!!! dutchies unite! cheers, Faros
DREAMWORKS Gallente POOPOOHEAD PATROL CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:40:00 - [39] LoL-no i dont know,like to tell me who you are? Send a evemail. DREAM __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
HUN HANNIBAL	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Sokratesz - Client was very eager to get Wyvern - I wasn't intending to scam from the start, but he never mentioned chribba and offered a deposit right away - Client displayed a certain degree of naivety in terms of understanding game mechanics A golden opportunity, to say so. I won't bother with the chat logs as they are fairly boring. I just wish to stress that this was a solo action, and that I wasn't representing anyone else other than myself. I have already received communications from Caldari Provisions that they do not condone this behaviour but will not take disciplinary action this time because of my lasting loyalty and service to the Caldari State. On a last note, I wish to ask the client a question. If I returned the ISK right now, would your feelings towards me remain hostile? If so, you appear to have attached your ego to a 'video game' in a degree that is not deemed healthy by most Psychiatrists, and I would advise professional counselling. - Sok. i just hoped that the member of AAA do never scam. thats why i didnt use chribba. i just feel scammed)) again.(about 1 year ago bought a character and was scammed(at that time there were no person like chribba). Money were returned but it took about a month) answering sokratesz, all what i feel is that i'm tired. u made me feel nervous. and was thinking about how to return money i took from my friend. About feeling towards u...No i think i wont feel hostile...but wont trade for a long time. Anyway its a quite interesting expierence, but dont wanna meet with it again. if u really want to complete a deal or return money-lets have a normal talk. convo me ingame please.

Amy Mouse	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:43:00 - [41] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL Edited by: HUN HANNIBAL on 25/03/2009 16:46:16 Originally by: Sokratesz - Client was very eager to get Wyvern - I wasn't intending to scam from the start, but he never mentioned chribba and offered a deposit right away - Client displayed a certain degree of naivety in terms of understanding game mechanics A golden opportunity, to say so. I won't bother with the chat logs as they are fairly boring. I just wish to stress that this was a solo action, and that I wasn't representing anyone else other than myself. I have already received communications from Caldari Provisions that they do not condone this behaviour but will not take disciplinary action this time because of my lasting loyalty and service to the Caldari State. On a last note, I wish to ask the client a question. If I returned the ISK right now, would your feelings towards me remain hostile? If so, you appear to have attached your ego to a 'video game' in a degree that is not deemed healthy by most Psychiatrists, and I would advise professional counselling. - Sok. just hoped that the member of AAA do never scam. thats why i didnt use chribba. I just feel scammed again.(about 1 year ago bought a character and was scammed(at that time there were no person like chribba). Money were returned but it took about a month) answering sokratesz, all what i feel is that i'm tired. u made me feel nervous. and was thinking about how to return money i took from my friend. About feeling towards u...No think i wont feel hostile...but wont trade for a long time. Anyway its a quite interesting expierence, but dont wanna meet with it again. if u really want to complete a deal or return money-lets have a normal talk. convo me ingame please. Silly hun, trix are for kids!
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:46:00 - [42] i for one am eager to see the "sell orders" forum become a scam-infested jita-like marketplace.
Fidens	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:20:00 - [43] jeez, what's with all this carebear whining? Suck it in, man up :P
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Matrix Skye i for one am eager to see the "sell orders" forum become a scam-infested jita-like marketplace. I'm on to it
Renarla	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:59:00 - [45] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL (about 1 year ago bought a character and was scammed(at that time there were no person like chribba). Proof of ISK/Character buyer.
DeathMan Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction	Posted - 2009.03.26 02:34:00 - [46] Edited by: DeathMan on 26/03/2009 02:35:02 Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL just hoped that the member of AAA do never scam. thats why i didnt use chribba. I just feel scammed again.(about 1 year ago bought a character and was scammed(at that time there were no person like chribba). Money were returned but it took about a month) answering sokratesz, all what i feel is that i'm tired. u made me feel nervous. and was thinking about how to return money i took from my friend. About feeling towards u...No think i wont feel hostile...but wont trade for a long time. Anyway its a quite interesting expierence, but dont wanna meet with it again. if u really want to complete a deal or return money-lets have a normal talk. convo me ingame please. First... he wasn't in AAA... Second Chribba has been around for quiet sometime, as well if it was a legitimate trade of characters you can't get scammed. CCP would of backed you up unless you did it by other means, which means you bought illegally and posted on it. Third: sokratesz gratz now request 1bil isk ;)
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.26 04:05:00 - [47] So have the GMs told you your not getting your isk back yet? (also, sokratesz, well played, glad to see your still trying to sell the ship too)
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.03.26 05:35:00 - [48] I will ask what others seem to have forget can i have your stuff wel whats left of it
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.26 05:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Gin G I will ask what others seem to have forget can i have your stuff wel whats left of it sokratesz gets his stuffs. it was decided at the last meeting. didn't you get the notes?
Kobushi OCForums	Posted - 2009.03.26 07:33:00 - [50] Edited by: Kobushi on 26/03/2009 07:33:41 Originally by: Gin G I will ask what others seem to have forget can i have your stuff wel whats left of it OP doesn't have stuff anymore to give away and I'm now the new autorized agent for Sok, if you want his stuff send my some isk and I will double it using the new Sok Scammer Thrust Fund (SSTF). Due to RL issue he has to quit eve but want to give away all his hard earned money...well you know the story from there.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.03.26 10:39:00 - [51] Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL so u wanna say, CCP support scammers? as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?) CCP markets this game by mentioning more or less famous scams now and then. Read up the game info/guides about corporation setups for example. CCP even tells players that some player can take up the career as thieves. Since you obviously didn't know this, you just learned a tough lesson. This is EVE, welcome to it. - This space for rent
Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.03.26 13:04:00 - [52] Learning a lesson for 18bil ISK... uff that hurts... Next time just convo me, I'll teach you not to transfer large sums of ISK to "strangers" for a one time fee of only 8,99bil ISK. That saves you over 9 billion compared to the service that Sok is providing!!
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.03.26 13:22:00 - [53] Edited by: Misanth on 26/03/2009 13:22:46 Originally by: Angry Poster Learning a lesson for 18bil ISK... uff that hurts... Next time just convo me, I'll teach you not to transfer large sums of ISK to "strangers" for a one time fee of only 8,99bil ISK. That saves you over 9 billion compared to the service that Sok is providing!! I'll do it for 100mil and a sandwich. And I'm in highsec. No backdoor bandits here. I'm like the McDonalds of EVE, no sikrit vip-pass needed! - This space for rent
Yashiri	Posted - 2009.03.26 14:07:00 - [54] Edited by: Yashiri on 26/03/2009 14:07:41 I really dont get it... do people actually think C&P is for reporting crimes? and they think someone will care? o.O
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:13:00 - [55] Originally by: Yashiri Edited by: Yashiri on 26/03/2009 14:07:41 I really dont get it... do people actually think C&P is for reporting crimes? and they think someone will care? o.O CCPs description of C&P: "Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE." I think it's safe to assume that CCP in fact to intend for warnings to be posted here. The irony tho is that most people that are stupid enough to fall for scams, also tend to post stupid about it. Those with half a brain don't get scammed, there's a crapload of warnings and tools to prevent it. - This space for rent
Psiri	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:29:00 - [56] OP has me really confused, how old is he? Gz to Sokratesz, wish I could get a piece of that money ^^
Yashiri	Posted - 2009.03.26 22:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Yashiri Edited by: Yashiri on 26/03/2009 14:07:41 I really dont get it... do people actually think C&P is for reporting crimes? and they think someone will care? o.O CCPs description of C&P: "Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE." I think it's safe to assume that CCP in fact to intend for warnings to be posted here. The irony tho is that most people that are stupid enough to fall for scams, also tend to post stupid about it. Those with half a brain don't get scammed, there's a crapload of warnings and tools to prevent it. we all know it says that, just like we all know that it really means; 'here be general chat mark II and trollz... and the occasional touching life story'


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