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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 20:53:00 -
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As it says to be honest, never seen the need for them back in 2003 and do not see any need for them now (other than for e-peen), as far as i'm concerned they have no place in EVE and any of the arguements I have heard to support them have lacked any real substance and all lead back to what I said earlier (more e-peen).
If people want kill stats then they should go play Unreal tournament or something.
Just my opinion of course, but I'd like to think anyone that is a true EVE'er will support this idea.
Thank you.
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Hesod Adee
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.25 21:00:00 -
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If you don't like them, you can ignore them. Me, I like them.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.26 00:36:00 -
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E-peen, sure, but they're also the single best source of long-run intelligence about an enemy in the game. If you want to know combat info about a pilot, look up his killboard stats. Plus, people like things like that - having a record ofm what they killed, knowing what valuable faction mods could have dropped but didn't, and this is still a game.
Also, watching pirates whine is just pathetic - nobody wants to see that.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.26 01:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
E-peen, sure, but they're also the single best source of long-run intelligence about an enemy in the game. If you want to know combat info about a pilot, look up his killboard stats.
Supported for exactly this reason.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.26 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
E-peen, sure, but they're also the single best source of long-run intelligence about an enemy in the game. If you want to know combat info about a pilot, look up his killboard stats.
Supported for exactly this reason.
"Hey guys, we just sank a battleship, and the divers say it had 16" guns, not 12" like we thought. The Americans caught a couple more a while back, posted the info on Kriegsmarineclinic, told us they were kitted out the same. You think maybe the Germans up-gunned their navy while we weren't looking?"
"Nah, let's just ignore it and assume things with no basis in fact instead. Gathering intel is like cheating, right?"
There's a reason I've never uploaded a kill to a killboard, and it's because I don't want to advertise what I fly and what I fit. If other people want to pass around their valuable information like beer at a frat-house kegger, though, I'm going to take advantage of it.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.26 05:42:00 -
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I'd rather people just said yes or no to be honest, people are using intel as a reason which is a bit funny tbh, the poster above me used a real life example of how some divers could find more guns on an enemy ship, surely it would be better to find out that info before the fight even happened? (which you are capable of in EVE), to think you could find out a ships fit from an explosion in space is also ridiculous, lastly the above poster pointed out that you should not post your losses for all to see? I have just looked on battleclinic and i'm showing 384 kills and 98 losses, do you want to know how many of those I have actually posted? the answer to that is "0", I have never posted one kill or loss on that site and yet my set-ups are there for not only my enemies to see, but for anyone who cares to know, they have not had to work hard at all to find this info out.
As I said earlier, this info is for E-peen and nothing else.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.03.26 05:50:00 -
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No. Killmails are fine. Just ignore em if you hate them.
There, simple enough?!
--Isaac
Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.03.26 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 26/03/2009 05:52:40
Hate double posts
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.26 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
I'd rather people just said yes or no to be honest,
I say just yes and no when the debate is self-explanatory. This one isn't, and so I explain.
Originally by: Nebulous
people are using intel as a reason which is a bit funny tbh, the poster above me used a real life example of how some divers could find more guns on an enemy ship, surely it would be better to find out that info before the fight even happened? (which you are capable of in EVE), to think you could find out a ships fit from an explosion in space is also ridiculous, lastly the above poster pointed out that you should not post your losses for all to see? I have just looked on battleclinic and i'm showing 384 kills and 98 losses, do you want to know how many of those I have actually posted? the answer to that is "0", I have never posted one kill or loss on that site and yet my set-ups are there for not only my enemies to see, but for anyone who cares to know, they have not had to work hard at all to find this info out.
Dude, sci-fi game. You don't watch the pretty explosion, you send a probe out to pick through the wreckage and figure out what blew up. Thing is, that's so automatic that they don't even ask you, that's the sort of crap your bridge crew does. They just sent you the mail through Concord as a joke - given how often we kill our crews, they need a laugh every now and then.
More seriously, there are two parties in every kill. Both will, reasonably speaking, know what happened in the fight. If one publicizes it and the other keeps it secret, well, it's still public. Again, I'll pull out the WW2 analogies(been playing too much hearts of Iron lately...) - there were a whole lot of real, historical battles where one side publicized the results and the other didn't. Of course, those featured a lot more lying and forcible repression of data than Eve does, but the point still stands - if the Japanese don't want to talk about Midway because they screwed up, but the Americans trumpet their monumental victory, then the Germans read the battle report and still get a pretty good idea of what happened.
The Japanese don't like it much, but they don't have a whole lot of control over it. Your opponents are posting their combat experiences for the world to see, and for better or worse, you're in it. Like I said above, if they want to pass out valuable information for free, they can do that. You don't, I don't, but others do, and there's no sensible way we can stop them from doing so, either in the context of the universe or the context of the game.
Originally by: Nebulous
As I said earlier, this info is for E-peen and nothing else.
Um, I just gave a concrete example of something else it's used for, and you agreed with my claim.
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Natasha Zenith
Caldari
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2009.03.26 07:10:00 -
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Leave my Kill mails alone! Some of us like stats. Go F off!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.26 07:19:00 -
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It's a pvp game. Killmails are how combat pilots keep score. Scores are kept in every game. If anything, EVE doesn't have enough combat statistics. Stats are fun. I love the stats in games such as Battlefield and I am not that great at that game.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.03.26 09:57:00 -
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Thw killmails are not only matter of e-peen but also tells you who in your corp is not so good in pvp and how you can help him to get better. And the information getting form enemy killmail is very valuble information in terms of setup, location and playing time.
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Jake Deschain
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Posted - 2009.03.26 12:12:00 -
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.26 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Deschain
Worst idea since Greedo shooting first.
Now now, let's not say things we can't take back.
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari
MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:04:00 -
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I like keeping records of me getting pawned and podded 
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.03.27 12:27:00 -
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Mercenaries. Pretty much nuff said.
In detail:
Mercs that can prove they did their job make money. Killmail = Proof.
Mercs that cannot prove anything don't. No Killmail = No Proof.
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:39:00 -
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First off people don't have to report kill mails to a public kill board.
But they do and that system was around long before the kill mails even existed.
So the current system is a convenience to those that wish to report what they kill nothing more.
So removing it would serve no purpose other then aggravate those that use the mechanic.
And for the rest of us that don't bother with it, we just don't bother to look @ it.
So rather then hearing wining about why it was removed from those that use it, and for me cause I would rather have CCP working on Actual Issues then this I say NO leave it as is.
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.27 18:09:00 -
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killmails are a good idea. They tell you your contribution to the fight and who contributed to your demise. Otherwise all combat tactics would be totally theoretical with no one actually knowing what worked and what totally failed.
The problems that need to be addressed and things that need to be added are.
1. Logistics contribution to damage taken.
2. hitpoints transferd by logistics 15 minutes before RR ship dying.
3. a solution to fake mails.
neither of which justify the removing of killmails. An act that would create many more problems.
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Oathborne
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:48:00 -
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Oh yeah, seen this same complaint in America all the time.
STOP KEEPING SCORE, IT MAKES THE LOSERS FEEL BAD!!!!
KM fine, toughen up and grow a pair, worry about your own lack of Epeenishness.
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eliminator2
Gallente
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.03.28 20:24:00 -
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havent got any kills latly dont get any kills from NPC's or damn sick of ur loss mails
either way to much of the eve community like kill mails u get to see what ships u killed wat was fitted and much more
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.29 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Oathborne
Oh yeah, seen this same complaint in America all the time.
STOP KEEPING SCORE, IT MAKES THE LOSERS FEEL BAD!!!!
KM fine, toughen up and grow a pair, worry about your own lack of Epeenishness.
How old are you? 
Try being constructive.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.29 07:58:00 -
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As I said at the start, the people that are against do not really offer any good reason as to why we have/need KM's, if people really need to keep a record of what they do then why not just FRAPS it(as most people seem to do anyway)? If you want the enemy set-up then scan the ship, if you want stats then keep a diary.
Do any of you remember when ASCN lost their titan? (the first titan ever made) Did you need to see a KM to know it had been popped? The answer to that is "no".
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.29 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
As I said at the start, the people that are against do not really offer any good reason as to why we have/need KM's, if people really need to keep a record of what they do then why not just FRAPS it(as most people seem to do anyway)? If you want the enemy set-up then scan the ship, if you want stats then keep a diary.
Do any of you remember when ASCN lost their titan? (the first titan ever made) Did you need to see a KM to know it had been popped? The answer to that is "no".
Actually, several good reasons have been given.
1) It makes sense in-game that people would look at the wreckage to see what exactly they killed.
2) It's a game, people like keeping score.
3) The game should do that kind of monotonous record-keeping for you, not demand that you do it yourself.
4) Tracking corpmate performance, to help you improve their play.
5) Tracking corporate performance for the purposes of creating a clear and unambiguous combat record, which can then be used to(e.g.) advertise mercenary services.
6) There's no good reason to remove them, it's fine, L2P.
Also, I know I don't use FRAPS - doesn't it utterly ream your system performance? My computer isn't exactly the fastest machine on the market, it can't handle another high-need program while Eve's running. Besides, expecting players to be forced to use third-party tools when the first-party tool already exists is silly.
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lucifers widow
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Posted - 2009.03.30 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
How old are you?
Try being constructive.
Edit: Just checked your avatar ingame and you are an obvious Troll, you have barely been playing five minutes and I doubt you have got any killmails from shooting mining lasers at roids.
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Boy wants mails done away with cause it an e-peen stroker, then trying to flame a new player for not killing enough people, thus flashing his e-peen around for all that cares (none btw).
Careful Nebie, too much e-peen stroking makes a mess !
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