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Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec	Posted - 2009.03.25 21:02:00 - [1] I have been raising funds for assorted projects. I have attained loans and current liquidity amounting to a 5B total. Just wanted to show gratitude to the high risk investors and hope I can bring more and better business to them in the future.. - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
Keyser Kahn Stellar-Parallax Corp	Posted - 2009.03.25 21:08:00 - [2] Confirming that I have provided 2.5B funding for these projects which is essentially unsecured but is based upon the profile and efforts of the op to the trading community. Good luck with your plans
Childeric III	Posted - 2009.03.25 21:11:00 - [3] Confirming that Merotech have investet 2.5 Billion ISK in this venture...
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:16:00 - [4] Congrats on raising your funding. If you are trying to use this as proof that you are trustworthy here, and therefore can raise some public funding that will not be the case. You would need proof via an audit to show these are not ALTS, and that you have been successful in business. Then you still probably wouldn't raise 5B because you are an unknown. Stick to the private funding it seems to be working so far.
Xeoniya	Posted - 2009.03.26 18:58:00 - [5] Congrats Caleb.
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Ji Sama on 26/03/2009 19:04:10 this thread needs more drama.... i would loan you 10M pending audit by ricdic/shar/cosmo/ingenting "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:12:00 - [7] Be foreward Caleb. We take preening and posturing here to be akin to prepping for future illegitimate activity. Not accusing of anything here, just a friendly reminder.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:12:00 - [8] and some people wonder why the MD regulars aren't liked very much
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:18:00 - [9] Well, to be honest it would set off red flags to me if I cared. Check out the timestamps of the first three posts. Obviously it was coordinated but why? To be organized or because the transfers never happened? Dun dun dun! Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Drab Cane Mining Emporium inc.	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is MD. There are no friends. Only velociraptors ready to discuss how tasty/untasty you and your business plan are while they eat you and you still breathe. This. And all things considered, I haven't seen anyone get really gutted in a while - mostly warning nibbles. ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:31:00 - [11] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 26/03/2009 19:32:50 Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 26/03/2009 19:11:23 edit: not fair against the op, to troll his thread.... By the way, are you still affiliated with Merotech or some investor group that involves Merotech in some way? Edit: This question is to Ji Sama because in the past he has spoken on behalf of merotech and in this thread Merotech is a large investor yet Ji Sama started to troll. Just wondering what the relationship is. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:37:00 - [12] i am affiliated with merotech yes... i hold a closed account with merotech... and i have spearheaded one investment so far (have yet to see a business plan on that one)... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Drab Cane Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is MD. There are no friends. Only velociraptors ready to discuss how tasty/untasty you and your business plan are while they eat you and you still breathe. This. And all things considered, I haven't seen anyone get really gutted in a while - mostly warning nibbles. Agreed, we need something to the level of Cosmo getting his isk back from the EVN scammer. That was the day MD forums broke my F5 key.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.26 20:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Drab Cane Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is MD. There are no friends. Only velociraptors ready to discuss how tasty/untasty you and your business plan are while they eat you and you still breathe. This. And all things considered, I haven't seen anyone get really gutted in a while - mostly warning nibbles. Agreed, we need something to the level of Cosmo getting his isk back from the EVN scammer. That was the day MD forums broke my F5 key. Makes my mouth water just thinking about it....yummy! EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:22:00 - [15] There is a little tool called EVE-search.. Maybe use that before even hinting at trust issues or alt posting.. I find the attempt at discrediting me, and damaging my reputation, appalling. Reason for the post was to give the investors a confirmation of their business, and publicly prove their activities as risk willing investors. I have little need to reputation boost on these boards. - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
HawkBlade Minmatar The Higher Standard	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:30:00 - [16] Someone tossed this link at me for reasons personal to them. That being said I have access to Keyser Kahn's api data (accounts) and he's not an alt of Ji Sama or Caleb's. As to the rest of this thread, you'd be surprised how much brainstorming (and arguing) goes on in the SCC-lounge channel. It is not unreasonable for Caleb to post and link in channel. It's rather common for anyone to do so actually. So time stamp != conspiracy. Of course I think I need to reread this thread. Shocking lack of topic or did I miss something?
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Caleb Ayrania Reason for the post was to give the investors a confirmation of their business, and publicly prove their activities as risk willing investors. Except, as has been pointed out, it is not proof of anything. FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
Drab Cane Mining Emporium inc.	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:56:00 - [18] Best wishes on your ventures, Caleb. Unfortunately, any mention of 'loan' or 'investment' on MD seems to draw critics the way blood in the water draws sharks. ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.03.27 02:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Drab Cane Best wishes on your ventures, Caleb. Unfortunately, any mention of 'loan' or 'investment' on MD seems to draw critics the way blood in the water draws sharks. He wasn't trying to drum up support for himself, just to point out that the other posters after him were willing to put up iskies in ventures and were easy to work with... or atleast that is what I got out of this post if you skip the trolls
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.27 02:22:00 - [20] guy seem cool enough on a certian trading channel, he cool and sparks up convos of some weird stuff he has my support. join from 10,000 isk per share
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.03.27 02:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Caleb Ayrania Reason for the post was to give the investors a confirmation of their business, and publicly prove their activities as risk willing investors. Except, as has been pointed out, it is not proof of anything. Well, it might not be proof of anything per se, but perhaps the start of this thread does serve to identify two putative 'risk-seeking' investors that people like this scammer can target. So maybe it's a honeypot for investment scams?
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.03.27 04:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Drab Cane Unfortunately, any mention of 'loan' or 'investment' on MD seems to draw critics the way blood in the water draws sharks. If this weren't the case there would be far more Riethe's on MD. With no critics around MD's memory is easily lost and we are far more likely to fall victim to history repeating itself. As far as this thread is concerned, there's really nothing more that needs said. He says he didn't post it to gain anything and just wanted to say thanks. I think on-time interest payments and a thank you evemail are far more effective and really don't see why he needed to post this here. Can we please get a MOD to move this to the "thank you card" forum as this does not contain any market discussions. Congrats on the success of whatever private venture you aren't talking about in this non-market discussions thread. I really do wish you the best. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec	Posted - 2009.03.27 04:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Drab Cane Unfortunately, any mention of 'loan' or 'investment' on MD seems to draw critics the way blood in the water draws sharks. If this weren't the case there would be far more Riethe's on MD. With no critics around MD's memory is easily lost and we are far more likely to fall victim to history repeating itself. As far as this thread is concerned, there's really nothing more that needs said. He says he didn't post it to gain anything and just wanted to say thanks. I think on-time interest payments and a thank you evemail are far more effective and really don't see why he needed to post this here. Can we please get a MOD to move this to the "thank you card" forum as this does not contain any market discussions. Congrats on the success of whatever private venture you aren't talking about in this non-market discussions thread. I really do wish you the best. This little thing.. Notarius Publicus - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.27 04:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Can we please get a MOD to move this to the "thank you card" forum as this does not contain any market discussions. Congrats on the success of whatever private venture you aren't talking about in this non-market discussions thread. I really do wish you the best. I'd like to echo this sentiment. This thread is either an attempt at proving the OP can be trusted with billions (which it fails miserably at) or it's not relevant to market discussion. Given the OP's denial of the former possibility, this has no place in MD and the mods should indeed move it.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.03.27 04:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Caleb Ayrania This little thing.. Notarius Publicus I wasn't going to ask but now I'm far to curious, what does that have to do with anything? Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Drab Cane Mining Emporium inc.	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Caleb Ayrania Reason for the post was to give the investors a confirmation of their business, and publicly prove their activities as risk willing investors. Caleb was apparently using the MD Forum as a public record between him and his investors. If so, this thread is really more for their needs then for actual discussion. Too bad there isn't a separate forum for these types of public records and acknowledgements. ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Kushion Anti Sweden Defense Force Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz and some people wonder why the MD regulars aren't liked very much I like how scammers get their feathers ruffled when their pitifully transparent attempts get ripped to shreds here. The posts in this thread aren't trolls, they're all quite valid. They're just not trying to spare the OP's feelings. If he can't handle that, what is he doing playing EVE?
Childeric III Merotech	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:13:00 - [28] It was Keyser and I, which asked Caleb to post a confirmation on the MD forum. This is an investment and as such has legitimacy here on the forums... Since this is a high risk investment, which was the least he could do in terms of informing the public! Childeric III - CEO Merovengian Technologies ps: Ji Sama is not affiliated with Merotech as such, she holds a private account and have lead an investment that so far havent made it.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Childeric III It was Keyser and I, which asked Caleb to post a confirmation on the MD forum. This is an investment and as such has legitimacy here on the forums... Since this is a high risk investment, which was the least he could do in terms of informing the public! I guess his topic and his wording is what caused issues. Why post that its unsecured funding rather than "Confirming private investment" or something along those lines. And the actual text of his post wasn't "I got funding from these guys and I'm posting so people know I have their isk". It doesn't really fit your explanation at all which is why people said the things they did. I can understand though your desire to have him post to confirm he has your isk, he just did a ** poor job of it. Oh, and no it has no legitimacy here because it isn't a discussion about the markets. It does not encourage the discussion of any market related topics or ideas, it doesn't encourage any discussion except for trolls and critics. If it weren't for the fact that the rest of the forum is boring as hell right now it would have already rolled off of page one. But it is fun to go back and forth, keeps us on our toes. Quote:** Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:34:00 - [30] It might be a private arrangement, but as cosmoray pointed out, an audit could still verify at least some of the claims. So who's going to audit?
Childeric III Merotech	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Childeric III It was Keyser and I, which asked Caleb to post a confirmation on the MD forum. This is an investment and as such has legitimacy here on the forums... Since this is a high risk investment, which was the least he could do in terms of informing the public! I guess his topic and his wording is what caused issues. Why post that its unsecured funding rather than "Confirming private investment" or something along those lines. And the actual text of his post wasn't "I got funding from these guys and I'm posting so people know I have their isk". It doesn't really fit your explanation at all which is why people said the things they did. I can understand though your desire to have him post to confirm he has your isk, he just did a **** poor job of it. Oh, and no it has no legitimacy here because it isn't a discussion about the markets. It does not encourage the discussion of any market related topics or ideas, it doesn't encourage any discussion except for trolls and critics. If it weren't for the fact that the rest of the forum is boring as hell right now it would have already rolled off of page one. But it is fun to go back and forth, keeps us on our toes. Fair point Amarr... I still would argue that this is MD related... Not because it has to do with discussion, but because it has to do with the Secondary Market...
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.03.27 13:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Childeric III Fair point Amarr... I still would argue that this is MD related... Not because it has to do with discussion, but because it has to do with the Secondary Market... True, it does have to do with the secondary market in a way it just doesn't encourage any discussions. I think it does bring up a good discussion topic and I would have preferred to have seen the OP mention this: How important is it for private investments to confirm there is an investment taking place and for the investors to confirm it? Can anything be gained from making such a post if no details are given that would help to validate the claim? Is posting something like this for the sake of record keeping the way to go or is there a better method that could be used? There, now its good for market discussions. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.27 13:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Childeric III Fair point Amarr... I still would argue that this is MD related... Not because it has to do with discussion, but because it has to do with the Secondary Market... True, it does have to do with the secondary market in a way it just doesn't encourage any discussions. I think it does bring up a good discussion topic and I would have preferred to have seen the OP mention this: How important is it for private investments to confirm there is an investment taking place and for the investors to confirm it? Can anything be gained from making such a post if no details are given that would help to validate the claim? Is posting something like this for the sake of record keeping the way to go or is there a better method that could be used? There, now its good for market discussions. could you get any more up tight about people posting in YOUR forum, it is about investments so it belongs here and i am just curious , when did you start to make the rules here and decide where things belong ? high on your peddle stool much ? WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Armoured C could you get any more up tight about people posting in YOUR forum, it is about investments so it belongs here and i am just curious , when did you start to make the rules here and decide where things belong ? high on your peddle stool much ? He started "making the rules" after a fair measure of intelligent posting and contributing to MD and the secondary market. You should try it some time.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:53:00 - [35] yes clearly 4 posts of trolling why this thread shouldn't be here sure look intelligent that was a bit low even by my standards. i mean being in the market discussion telling people about how people have invested him him has no bearing here does it... noooo not at all. in the market discussion about investment.. sound almost criminal my god how could i have been so blind. all that aside. to continue the discussion , can you tell us about any of the assorted project the funds have gone into, or are they all top secret and congratulation on your amount raised, it certainly alot more isk that i have. WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:17:00 - [36] Well I dont mind disclosing that its mainly a stockpile investment for reselling.. To get out of the micro stockpile situations.. All the above aside. This post should have been flooded way down the list and simply have been a notice that I had entered into an agreement with the mentioned parties, and that I showed my gratitude at their trust. Not as much to build or strengthen my reputation, but more to show them as motivated and serious investors. Even though some would now consider writing a long post about only secure and low risk investments are serious. I dont think the range of mere 5B is worth such a fuzz. Its to low to warrant a big workload of considering all the details of an IPO. Also this was not public offered, but publically notified.. So to all the designated or self designated regulators of the secondary markets it would be very suitable if you refrain from posting on suspicions and w regulation remarks, untill you see a real need and have at least done the homework in getting something in the range of evidence for intentions of bad conduct. At this point as OP I would not mind having the thread locked by a MOD. - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
Keyser Kahn Stellar-Parallax Corp	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:36:00 - [37] Edited by: Keyser Kahn on 27/03/2009 15:38:01 Caleb / MD in general - I would like to apologise in so much as I feel responsible for this thread. I orginally requested a post concerning the loan to a) note it in public and b) as I was planning to reference both this and some other recent personal investment activity to extend to a discussion on the merits of networking: for the purpose of raising funds; the security concerns of such and indeed the manner in which records of good performance, poor performance or outright failure / scam could be made public. etc., The thread developed in such a way that I felt it pointless to post along the above lines and merely organised an API audit to show that I was not an Alt of the Op. I will make that post however it requires considerable revision in light of this thread. Edited to break up long paragraph wall of text
Childeric III Merotech	Posted - 2009.03.27 16:02:00 - [38] I would also like to apologize to Caleb; this thread has gone out of control. We merely wanted this to be notified in public, which was the agreement according to the contract. At least we can say lesson learned. Merotech will not make this mistake again... Merotech will also get an audit done to prove that this is no alt of Caleb's. Childeric III - CEO Merovingian Technologies

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2009.03.27 16:09:00 - [39] Locked at the request of the OP.


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