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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 15:16:24
Welcome, all. Please allow me a moment to prepare you for the show about to beginà
Target: Everlasting Vendetta.
I must admit that when the message appeared in my inbox, for the first time since starting BDCI I experienced a moment of hesitation. It had nothing to do with fear or doubt; it was more of a feeling that I was about to turn a corner. This job was different as EV was my birthplace. I was a pilot in the old Hawk Wing back when the big war against CA was just getting into full swing. I spent many a night in my Rifter and Rupture flying deep into Curse alongside SA and CC pilots. Today, EV is no longer a member of SA and the membership is as different from the corp I was a part of back then as night is from day. Regardless, the old spirit seemed to be alive and well, but now I was being asked to shatter that.
Once the decision was made though, it was done. EV was our next contract and the past was the past.
In many ways, this was not a standard contract. So many things about it stand apart. Our clientÆs goals were many, yet we managed to accomplish them all. The most significant change was that we decided to work with another corp, the Sharks, in order to achieve maximum effectiveness and cover as many time zones as possible. The timing of the war was also fortuitous as hostilities commenced barely a week after EV had moved to their new HQ in Ibura. A large core of their membership was still getting situated in the new region and we took full advantage of the concentration of the majority of their membership in one area.
I could give a tactical analysis of the campaign, but such a thing would likely be flame bait and I have no desire to turn this thread into something of that nature. I will simply let our Kill Board and the videos themselves tell the story and I ask that anyone with æissuesÆ kindly take them up with me in private or on one of the other forums I am known to frequent (even my own). Despite a bit of dramatic license exercised to assist in storytelling, the videos do a good job of representing the war as it actually happened. Points of view may vary, but the end results cannot be changed by any amount of opinion.
There will likely be some negative responses as to the tactics used by BDCI and Sharks. Well, as my friend Waagaa Ktlehr is fond of saying, ôIf itÆs a fair fight, you havenÆt prepared enough.ö This is true in reality as it is in EVE. We do not hesitate to fight even odds, or even when outnumbered. On two specific occasions during this campaign we jumped into, and prevailed, in fights where we fully expected to lose a ship or two. For the most part, our goal is to inflict damage and suffer as little of our own as possible.
The bottom line is that we are mercenaries and the only personÆs opinion that really matters is that of our client.
Video Details
There had to be two.
After talking to Leafo of NSN a few times, and describing what I was trying to do, it didn't take long to realize that there was no way I could squeeze everything into the 7-8 minute movie I had originally planned. Primarily, as I stated above, this was not just any contract. EV is well known and I wanted to do something special. On top of that, between myself and my cameramen, I had over 25GB of raw footage to work with. In the end, I used maybe a third of what I could have.
I decided to place the emphasis on story above all else this time. I tried some new things and used a lot of elements that I hope everyone can enjoy. All in all, this has been a tiring, but fulfilling project.
The links below will take you to BDCI's Video Download section on our public forums. Right-click on the 'Download' button 'save-as' to view it from your hard drive.
Volume I - Target: Everlasting Vendetta - This is a fast paced, fun video that introduces the who and why of what is going on. The opening 72 hours of the war were fast and furious, and EV quickly realized that we were not in their system just to have fun but to do a job.
Volume II - The Siege of Ibura - There is so much going on in this video, yet twice as much happened that is not seen, both in terms of battle footage and IC negotiations / discussions with other corps and the NCA. I've tried very hard to recreate the atmosphere we felt as the war progressed. This is more of a æmovieÆ than a combat vid.
So, as with Doom 3, lock your door, turn off the lights and crank up the sound.
Mirror for Part I | Mirror for Part II
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 15:16:24
Welcome, all. Please allow me a moment to prepare you for the show about to beginà
Target: Everlasting Vendetta.
I must admit that when the message appeared in my inbox, for the first time since starting BDCI I experienced a moment of hesitation. It had nothing to do with fear or doubt; it was more of a feeling that I was about to turn a corner. This job was different as EV was my birthplace. I was a pilot in the old Hawk Wing back when the big war against CA was just getting into full swing. I spent many a night in my Rifter and Rupture flying deep into Curse alongside SA and CC pilots. Today, EV is no longer a member of SA and the membership is as different from the corp I was a part of back then as night is from day. Regardless, the old spirit seemed to be alive and well, but now I was being asked to shatter that.
Once the decision was made though, it was done. EV was our next contract and the past was the past.
In many ways, this was not a standard contract. So many things about it stand apart. Our clientÆs goals were many, yet we managed to accomplish them all. The most significant change was that we decided to work with another corp, the Sharks, in order to achieve maximum effectiveness and cover as many time zones as possible. The timing of the war was also fortuitous as hostilities commenced barely a week after EV had moved to their new HQ in Ibura. A large core of their membership was still getting situated in the new region and we took full advantage of the concentration of the majority of their membership in one area.
I could give a tactical analysis of the campaign, but such a thing would likely be flame bait and I have no desire to turn this thread into something of that nature. I will simply let our Kill Board and the videos themselves tell the story and I ask that anyone with æissuesÆ kindly take them up with me in private or on one of the other forums I am known to frequent (even my own). Despite a bit of dramatic license exercised to assist in storytelling, the videos do a good job of representing the war as it actually happened. Points of view may vary, but the end results cannot be changed by any amount of opinion.
There will likely be some negative responses as to the tactics used by BDCI and Sharks. Well, as my friend Waagaa Ktlehr is fond of saying, ôIf itÆs a fair fight, you havenÆt prepared enough.ö This is true in reality as it is in EVE. We do not hesitate to fight even odds, or even when outnumbered. On two specific occasions during this campaign we jumped into, and prevailed, in fights where we fully expected to lose a ship or two. For the most part, our goal is to inflict damage and suffer as little of our own as possible.
The bottom line is that we are mercenaries and the only personÆs opinion that really matters is that of our client.
Video Details
There had to be two.
After talking to Leafo of NSN a few times, and describing what I was trying to do, it didn't take long to realize that there was no way I could squeeze everything into the 7-8 minute movie I had originally planned. Primarily, as I stated above, this was not just any contract. EV is well known and I wanted to do something special. On top of that, between myself and my cameramen, I had over 25GB of raw footage to work with. In the end, I used maybe a third of what I could have.
I decided to place the emphasis on story above all else this time. I tried some new things and used a lot of elements that I hope everyone can enjoy. All in all, this has been a tiring, but fulfilling project.
The links below will take you to BDCI's Video Download section on our public forums. Right-click on the 'Download' button 'save-as' to view it from your hard drive.
Volume I - Target: Everlasting Vendetta - This is a fast paced, fun video that introduces the who and why of what is going on. The opening 72 hours of the war were fast and furious, and EV quickly realized that we were not in their system just to have fun but to do a job.
Volume II - The Siege of Ibura - There is so much going on in this video, yet twice as much happened that is not seen, both in terms of battle footage and IC negotiations / discussions with other corps and the NCA. I've tried very hard to recreate the atmosphere we felt as the war progressed. This is more of a æmovieÆ than a combat vid.
So, as with Doom 3, lock your door, turn off the lights and crank up the sound.
Mirror for Part I | Mirror for Part II
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.20 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 20/08/2004 05:59:00
Few points to make...
1. Great quality
2. Loved the music
3. Great storyline
4. Those people talking on TS, thought they were talking to me at first.. was like.. WTF?? who are you? Then realized it was the vid LOL!! Ah well, more kudos to the quality.
Again, they are very good and I didn't mind the download at all. Well worth it I think. Plus I had no idea EV was even at war with anyone in empire.
I like how you don't publish your vids till the contract is finished so to speak. It says a lot and doesn't roll out the flames too early in your wars. However I have not seen EV vids yet... if any, so trying to remain as unbiased as possible... but this vid makes it hard.... extremely
As usual keep up the great work. Hope the next "contract" proves to be yet another success for BDCI & Sharks 
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella  |
LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.20 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 20/08/2004 05:59:00
Few points to make...
1. Great quality
2. Loved the music
3. Great storyline
4. Those people talking on TS, thought they were talking to me at first.. was like.. WTF?? who are you? Then realized it was the vid LOL!! Ah well, more kudos to the quality.
Again, they are very good and I didn't mind the download at all. Well worth it I think. Plus I had no idea EV was even at war with anyone in empire.
I like how you don't publish your vids till the contract is finished so to speak. It says a lot and doesn't roll out the flames too early in your wars. However I have not seen EV vids yet... if any, so trying to remain as unbiased as possible... but this vid makes it hard.... extremely
As usual keep up the great work. Hope the next "contract" proves to be yet another success for BDCI & Sharks
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella |
Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.20 05:58:00 -
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Loved the music on the second clip! What was it?
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.20 05:58:00 -
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Loved the music on the second clip! What was it?
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Valeriya
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Valeriya on 20/08/2004 07:39:02
Just to interject here before anyone says it...
As you all know of our kill board I know many of you are wondering what our losses were. Yes they did get us a few times and rest assured I am working on the loss board. BDCI is bound by contract and logs both sides of the conflict. In our line of work losses are inevitable. But alas RL keeps getting in the way among other things. Should be up soonÖ. 
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Valeriya
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Valeriya on 20/08/2004 07:39:02
Just to interject here before anyone says it...
As you all know of our kill board I know many of you are wondering what our losses were. Yes they did get us a few times and rest assured I am working on the loss board. BDCI is bound by contract and logs both sides of the conflict. In our line of work losses are inevitable. But alas RL keeps getting in the way among other things. Should be up soonÖ.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:22:00 -
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Just to add to what Val said (I ran out of room in my original post  )...
Divine Retribution - These guys came in and got things organized. The war took a new turn and while there was less fighting, every fight counted more. Big props to Ramiel Var especially, who's a damn fine pilot and was a real sport even when getting shot down.
Everlasting Vendetta - I wanted to single out Hampstah and meafy as being two of EV's more notable people. They both were cordial in their relations with our forces and willing to keep the lines of communication open. Oh, and Claren. Damn, this guy took a beating but every time we saw him we knew we had a fight on our hands. 
Our Losses - I will confirm that the Sharks lost a Scorpion when the pilot made a "navigational error" and jumped in right on top of an EV/DVRN blob. All other losses were a few Blackbirds and a couple other cruisers. Outside of the Scorp loss, BDCI took the biggest hit, losing half a dozen interceptors over the course of the war. North Star's dual-MWD Moa (nasty!) accounted for at least two or three of these.
Thanks for the feedback so far and hopefully our server will withstand the beating!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:22:00 -
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Just to add to what Val said (I ran out of room in my original post )...
Divine Retribution - These guys came in and got things organized. The war took a new turn and while there was less fighting, every fight counted more. Big props to Ramiel Var especially, who's a damn fine pilot and was a real sport even when getting shot down.
Everlasting Vendetta - I wanted to single out Hampstah and meafy as being two of EV's more notable people. They both were cordial in their relations with our forces and willing to keep the lines of communication open. Oh, and Claren. Damn, this guy took a beating but every time we saw him we knew we had a fight on our hands.
Our Losses - I will confirm that the Sharks lost a Scorpion when the pilot made a "navigational error" and jumped in right on top of an EV/DVRN blob. All other losses were a few Blackbirds and a couple other cruisers. Outside of the Scorp loss, BDCI took the biggest hit, losing half a dozen interceptors over the course of the war. North Star's dual-MWD Moa (nasty!) accounted for at least two or three of these.
Thanks for the feedback so far and hopefully our server will withstand the beating!
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T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today! |
Angelhunter
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:26:00 -
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2 excellent Vids, nice job Sharks/BDCI 
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Angelhunter
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:26:00 -
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2 excellent Vids, nice job Sharks/BDCI
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 06:28:19
 Originally by: Notferr
Loved the music on the second clip! What was it?
Lots of different things. There was some Nightwish, some Return of the King and Pirates of the Caribbean. As to the background music in the opening and closing sequences, I'm keeping that close to the chest. I've got more plans for the source material there.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 06:28:19
Originally by: Notferr
Loved the music on the second clip! What was it?
Lots of different things. There was some Nightwish, some Return of the King and Pirates of the Caribbean. As to the background music in the opening and closing sequences, I'm keeping that close to the chest. I've got more plans for the source material there.
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The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:06:00 -
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Hats off to EV, they fought valiantly, however we have been doing this for much longer than they have.... In any event, if anyone wants to talk about a contract of any sort. Got some pests that need dealing with in empire, be sure to give Seleene a ring....we'll come a knockin and keep the house a rockin! :P
 Maybe I'll show you how the boom boom room works
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The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:06:00 -
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Hats off to EV, they fought valiantly, however we have been doing this for much longer than they have.... In any event, if anyone wants to talk about a contract of any sort. Got some pests that need dealing with in empire, be sure to give Seleene a ring....we'll come a knockin and keep the house a rockin! :P
Maybe I'll show you how the boom boom room works
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BDCI Website - We solve problems. |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:06:00 -
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Kickass! 
Nice job.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:06:00 -
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Kickass!
Nice job.
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ostaps on 20/08/2004 09:25:49
Overall, this 2 week engagement was one helluva ride, there were minor complaints here and there, but all in all it rocked - we got some serious fights, some badass multi system chases, some wicked ambushes, dogfights, fleetfights, sniperfights, etc etc :) Much adrenaline and fun.
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ostaps on 20/08/2004 09:25:49
Overall, this 2 week engagement was one helluva ride, there were minor complaints here and there, but all in all it rocked - we got some serious fights, some badass multi system chases, some wicked ambushes, dogfights, fleetfights, sniperfights, etc etc :) Much adrenaline and fun.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:50:00 -
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/emote bounces around all excited
come on download!!!
/kicks modem damnit faster :)
I'll tell ya what i think once i watch.. but i been watching that kill board quite closely :D and i cant wait to see the video
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Eleese
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:50:00 -
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/emote bounces around all excited
come on download!!!
/kicks modem damnit faster :)
I'll tell ya what i think once i watch.. but i been watching that kill board quite closely :D and i cant wait to see the video
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Mad Evil
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Posted - 2004.08.20 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mad Evil on 20/08/2004 10:49:09
really great vid and kudos! to u guys for not putting tons of smack in it :)
liked those frame\music combos very much
althou there's one thing u've left out - credits with software used and also what music :D
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Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that **** just goes right out the window. |
Mad Evil
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Posted - 2004.08.20 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mad Evil on 20/08/2004 10:49:09
really great vid and kudos! to u guys for not putting tons of smack in it :)
liked those frame\music combos very much
althou there's one thing u've left out - credits with software used and also what music :D
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Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that **** just goes right out the window. |
Miso
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Posted - 2004.08.20 10:33:00 -
[25]
Nice one Seleene. Quality as always.
Sharks/BDCI seem to be turning into quite a little force. Very nice to see, makes me feel all warm inside
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Dead
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.08.20 10:33:00 -
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Nice one Seleene. Quality as always.
Sharks/BDCI seem to be turning into quite a little force. Very nice to see, makes me feel all warm inside
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Dead
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.08.20 10:58:00 -
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(
Ah, it's these kinda videos that made me upgrade my cable speed. Great work in all departments and a pleasure to view. Loved the sniper-thron bit. Thanks for making these wonderful vids.
Can't wait till the next contract and the next video.
)
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.08.20 10:58:00 -
[28]
(
Ah, it's these kinda videos that made me upgrade my cable speed. Great work in all departments and a pleasure to view. Loved the sniper-thron bit. Thanks for making these wonderful vids.
Can't wait till the next contract and the next video.
)
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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meafy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:02:00 -
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very good film made with skill and a pleasure to watch 
i can not speak for EV as a corp i do not hold that rank but i can answer your question you put to eve at the end of your film from my own point of view.
Can EV recover from our set backs?
the answer is YES we can, yes we are and yes we will recover from what ever EVE throws at us. You are skilled at what you do Seleene this is without question but you did not hurt us as much and you believe, if fact more than anything you have only strengthen our resolve and gave us valuble training. People believe we are a dead corp lol well ask sharks and body count if we are dead. I take pride in that seleene saw fit to ask another corp to aid them with the EV contact to cover all time zones because EV covers all times zones with a number far greater than many other corps. We have been weaken yes the split with equilibria is well know on these boards but are rebirth is not far away.
Let everyone who watches this know one thing raptor wing EV is there to defend the corp, die for the corp that is our job if you come after EV we will fight and know that we have friends lots of friends. Big props to Termi and his guys they joined us and helped us a lot.
P.S the comment about the 11 in station, EV does not send miners and industrial pilots out to get Slaughtered they where not pvp'ers.
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meafy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:02:00 -
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very good film made with skill and a pleasure to watch
i can not speak for EV as a corp i do not hold that rank but i can answer your question you put to eve at the end of your film from my own point of view.
Can EV recover from our set backs?
the answer is YES we can, yes we are and yes we will recover from what ever EVE throws at us. You are skilled at what you do Seleene this is without question but you did not hurt us as much and you believe, if fact more than anything you have only strengthen our resolve and gave us valuble training. People believe we are a dead corp lol well ask sharks and body count if we are dead. I take pride in that seleene saw fit to ask another corp to aid them with the EV contact to cover all time zones because EV covers all times zones with a number far greater than many other corps. We have been weaken yes the split with equilibria is well know on these boards but are rebirth is not far away.
Let everyone who watches this know one thing raptor wing EV is there to defend the corp, die for the corp that is our job if you come after EV we will fight and know that we have friends lots of friends. Big props to Termi and his guys they joined us and helped us a lot.
P.S the comment about the 11 in station, EV does not send miners and industrial pilots out to get Slaughtered they where not pvp'ers.
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:04:00 -
[31]
WOW!!
Those vids were excellent. Looking forward to your next vids that you and your peeps come up with.
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:04:00 -
[32]
WOW!!
Those vids were excellent. Looking forward to your next vids that you and your peeps come up with.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:12:00 -
[33]
great vids but i prefer'd the CLS one... nothin to do with my portrait being in it HONEST ;)
ok ok i admit it that one was better, truely awesome fight scene and very well made video.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:12:00 -
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great vids but i prefer'd the CLS one... nothin to do with my portrait being in it HONEST ;)
ok ok i admit it that one was better, truely awesome fight scene and very well made video.
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Spurna
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:13:00 -
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Not to toot our own horn, but damn. Honk! Honk! This is by far Seleene's best work yet. It's more than a normal EVE movie it's an epic in storytelling. She could be the Peter Jackson of EVE... except not as fat... or ugly.
I smell 12 Academy Awards. Great work, hun. That's why we love you.
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Bodycount Inc.
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Spurna
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:13:00 -
[36]
Not to toot our own horn, but damn. Honk! Honk! This is by far Seleene's best work yet. It's more than a normal EVE movie it's an epic in storytelling. She could be the Peter Jackson of EVE... except not as fat... or ugly.
I smell 12 Academy Awards. Great work, hun. That's why we love you.
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Bodycount Inc.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:23:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 11:25:55
Originally by: Mad Evil
althou there's one thing u've left out - credits with software used and also what music :D
I answered the music question above in my reply to Notferr. As for software, it was just FRAPS and Windows Movie Maker 2. This does, however, most likely mark my last movie made with WMM. I've reached the limits with this program and with a fresh copy of Adobe Premiere Pro 7.0 in hand I intend to try to give Leafo and a couple others a run for their money in the future. 
Originally by: meafy
Can EV recover from our set backs?
the answer is YES we can, yes we are and yes we will recover from what ever EVE throws at us.
It was a rhetorical question, meafy.
Originally by: meafy
People believe we are a dead corp lol well ask sharks and body count if we are dead.
Dead, no. In need of some regrouping and reorganization, yes. We hit EV at a time when they were in the middle of moving to a new region, were bringing in new players and restructuring certain elements of their internal hierarchy. Let me just say that not every war is about getting kills on the enemy. There are a variety of reasons to hire a mercenary corp for an empire war...
Originally by: meafy
We have been weaken yes the split with equilibria is well know on these boards but are rebirth is not far away.
Only time will tell...
Originally by: meafy
P.S the comment about the 11 in station, EV does not send miners and industrial pilots out to get Slaughtered they where not pvp'ers.
 Meafy, come now. You know how many times I've seen this phrase or one like it, even out in 0.0? There's no need to post this nonsense. You know as well as I that this was not always the case, but I'm not going to address this any further. We have nothing more to prove to one another.
Glad you guys enjoyed the movies and fly safe in the future.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 11:25:55
Originally by: Mad Evil
althou there's one thing u've left out - credits with software used and also what music :D
I answered the music question above in my reply to Notferr. As for software, it was just FRAPS and Windows Movie Maker 2. This does, however, most likely mark my last movie made with WMM. I've reached the limits with this program and with a fresh copy of Adobe Premiere Pro 7.0 in hand I intend to try to give Leafo and a couple others a run for their money in the future.
Originally by: meafy
Can EV recover from our set backs?
the answer is YES we can, yes we are and yes we will recover from what ever EVE throws at us.
It was a rhetorical question, meafy.
Originally by: meafy
People believe we are a dead corp lol well ask sharks and body count if we are dead.
Dead, no. In need of some regrouping and reorganization, yes. We hit EV at a time when they were in the middle of moving to a new region, were bringing in new players and restructuring certain elements of their internal hierarchy. Let me just say that not every war is about getting kills on the enemy. There are a variety of reasons to hire a mercenary corp for an empire war...
Originally by: meafy
We have been weaken yes the split with equilibria is well know on these boards but are rebirth is not far away.
Only time will tell...
Originally by: meafy
P.S the comment about the 11 in station, EV does not send miners and industrial pilots out to get Slaughtered they where not pvp'ers.
Meafy, come now. You know how many times I've seen this phrase or one like it, even out in 0.0? There's no need to post this nonsense. You know as well as I that this was not always the case, but I'm not going to address this any further. We have nothing more to prove to one another.
Glad you guys enjoyed the movies and fly safe in the future.
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meafy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:29:00 -
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Quote:
We have nothing more to prove to one another.
agreed, as i posted on the NCA good luck in what ever is next for you (unless that includes us )
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meafy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:29:00 -
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Quote:
We have nothing more to prove to one another.
agreed, as i posted on the NCA good luck in what ever is next for you (unless that includes us )
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Purvy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:41:00 -
[41]
It was a pleasure fighting along side BDCI. Also i would like to thank both sides for keeping it civil, EV understood it was nothing personal and there were very few chats in local for the entire 2 weeks. The few chats that did take place were almost completely smacktard free.
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Purvy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:41:00 -
[42]
It was a pleasure fighting along side BDCI. Also i would like to thank both sides for keeping it civil, EV understood it was nothing personal and there were very few chats in local for the entire 2 weeks. The few chats that did take place were almost completely smacktard free.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:49:00 -
[43]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 20/08/2004 11:51:08
18.3kb/sec.
and recently NTL upgraded my BB to 750k...so i dont think its that.
ill try to downoad later when the thing isnt so slow. |
MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.20 11:49:00 -
[44]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 20/08/2004 11:51:08
18.3kb/sec.
and recently NTL upgraded my BB to 750k...so i dont think its that.
ill try to downoad later when the thing isnt so slow. |
Erilynn
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:03:00 -
[45]
Usually Sel let's us see these before they go public but I guess there wasn't time this time. Anyway...
OMG!!
I put both into Winamp and watched them back to back and it's like watching an almost 20 minute short movie! I'm going to burn this onto a VCD so I can show people what EVE is all about!! Then I get to point at the screen and say, "That's me!" 
CCP, are you watching this?? These are your advertisements right here!
/emote goes to watch again.
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"Hold still. This will only sting for a moment..."
Where is my sig, Riz??? :( |
Erilynn
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:03:00 -
[46]
Usually Sel let's us see these before they go public but I guess there wasn't time this time. Anyway...
OMG!!
I put both into Winamp and watched them back to back and it's like watching an almost 20 minute short movie! I'm going to burn this onto a VCD so I can show people what EVE is all about!! Then I get to point at the screen and say, "That's me!"
CCP, are you watching this?? These are your advertisements right here!
/emote goes to watch again.
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"Hold still. This will only sting for a moment..."
Where is my sig, Riz??? :( |
Leafo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:26:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Leafo on 20/08/2004 12:55:38
The download of this was not fun (40kb/sek), guess many are downloading it right now (understandable).
Mirror for Part I: Right click and save as
Mirror for Part II: Right click and save as
Comments are coming...
click on sig for all my videos
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Leafo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:26:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Leafo on 20/08/2004 12:55:38
The download of this was not fun (40kb/sek), guess many are downloading it right now (understandable).
Mirror for Part I: Right click and save as
Mirror for Part II: Right click and save as
Comments are coming...
click on sig for all my videos
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:31:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Leafo
The download of this was not fun (40kb/sek), guess many are downloading it right now (understandable).
That's an understatement. We've still got plenty of badnwidth, but the server is getting hammered.
Thanks so much for the mirror, Leafo. I will update my original post with the second one as soon as it's up.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:31:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Leafo
The download of this was not fun (40kb/sek), guess many are downloading it right now (understandable).
That's an understatement. We've still got plenty of badnwidth, but the server is getting hammered.
Thanks so much for the mirror, Leafo. I will update my original post with the second one as soon as it's up.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:45:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Velsharoon on 20/08/2004 12:48:22
Its downloadin at 50kb now if u havent got it allready
And thanks for the good fight EVER
Vels
Edit: wtf 40-50kb is good :P
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:45:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Velsharoon on 20/08/2004 12:48:22
Its downloadin at 50kb now if u havent got it allready
And thanks for the good fight EVER
Vels
Edit: wtf 40-50kb is good :P
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:54:00 -
[53]
it was great to fight against you guys very nice indeed the only one thing i regret is never getting to see you when the odds were one to one pilotwise. but awesome tactics.
learned a lot to tell you the truth and the last ship i lost was to idiotecy completely,... **never undock and go to the bathroom while at war **
well good luck to you and should our paths cross again well lets see then.......
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:54:00 -
[54]
it was great to fight against you guys very nice indeed the only one thing i regret is never getting to see you when the odds were one to one pilotwise. but awesome tactics.
learned a lot to tell you the truth and the last ship i lost was to idiotecy completely,... **never undock and go to the bathroom while at war **
well good luck to you and should our paths cross again well lets see then.......
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:06:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Brather
it was great to fight against you guys very nice indeed the only one thing i regret is never getting to see you when the odds were one to one pilotwise. but awesome tactics.
Well, you certianly seemed to be out in the thick of things enough so it wasn't for lack of trying. Oh, not sure if you've been to our kill boards, but do you remember this one?
Brather :: Everlasting Vendetta :: Celestis
Ost mentioned you later that night and complimented you on your flying. Good show!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:06:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Brather
it was great to fight against you guys very nice indeed the only one thing i regret is never getting to see you when the odds were one to one pilotwise. but awesome tactics.
Well, you certianly seemed to be out in the thick of things enough so it wasn't for lack of trying. Oh, not sure if you've been to our kill boards, but do you remember this one?
Brather :: Everlasting Vendetta :: Celestis
Ost mentioned you later that night and complimented you on your flying. Good show!
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:20:00 -
[57]
Nice to be part of the contract. First three days were fun, the rest of the time we sat still watching a gate or the HQ of yours most of the time. Thats boring  .
Thanks to the EV pilots for not smacktalking and for putting up a fight, next time you might rethink your fitting strategies though. All the low slots used up for things we countered directly meant your firepower were dramatically decreased. I think you know what I mean .
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:20:00 -
[58]
Nice to be part of the contract. First three days were fun, the rest of the time we sat still watching a gate or the HQ of yours most of the time. Thats boring .
Thanks to the EV pilots for not smacktalking and for putting up a fight, next time you might rethink your fitting strategies though. All the low slots used up for things we countered directly meant your firepower were dramatically decreased. I think you know what I mean .
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Malcom Carswell
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:21:00 -
[59]
Some things I won't say due to security reasons, but I'd like to provide a perspective. Just like Meafy, I don't speak for EV, but just as one of her relatively minor members. I came into EV just before recruitment temporarily shut down, and soon after I joined a variety of events occurred that would normally stagger a corporation ro even shut it down. On top of these events was a reorg on a massive scale, scouting and then executing the logisitics of a corp HQ move, and having to deal with a lot of the old-timers taking thier gaming experience out of the corp. As a RL old-timer I was curious to see how the membership would respond. I knew I wasn't going anywhere, but I could see ripples of disgruntlement in a variety of places, to include confusion on the part of some of the other new members. Here they were joining this uber-corp, and first appearances made it look like it was slowly falling apart, but then the membership rallied and things started happening again. The organization was plain to see with the experienced people who remained taking the younger ones in hand, but I think it can be said that EV was at its most vulnerable right then.
Then the iceball named BDCI and FRICK hit EV real close to the temple. As pointed out, the first 72 hours were some of the worst that could have happened to an industrial-based corp. Too many new corp members unfamiliar with combat and the rules of corp warfare, coupled with the enemy having very experienced pvp-ers with skills geared toward combat rather than tearing rocks apart and making things out of them. I include myself in that group since I'm a miner at heart, and pit me against a combat pilot in an experienced and organized group, and my odds of survival aren't very good. Now I was really curious to see what would happen to EV, I expected the membership to start to evaporate, but then they surprised me. A few disappeared, but the remaining members just buckled down and got harder. Our HC quickly diversified our mission and we were productive again, albeit a little below pre-merc war level. Those of us who knew the limitations and parameters that a merc war would have passed on the info to the rest of us and we knew we could survive and thrive almost indefinitely.
EV really surprised me with there response and actions. Did we suffer losses? Of course we did, but our combat pilots made their presence felt and the rest of the corp machine moved on to keep us economically viable, and, as any Caldari will tell you, it's the almighty isk that determines success or failure. One internal item I think I can say; when the call for more minerals went out from our HC, what were we most in need of?...tritanium...heh. The miners had no problems solving that little problem without having to worry about enemy intys, jammers, scramblers, bs's or anything else.
Another thing that surprised was the professionalism of BDCI and FRICK. The executed their contract, performed their maneuvers, shot down ships, and were basically quite effective at what they do...waging Empire corp warfare...and they did all this without the typical smack talk I've become accustomed to seeing in the local channel. During active combat maneuvers I only use local to see who's present, their words are usually unimportant. I've seen too many pilots get distracted typing or reading bombastic rhetoric in the local channel and then lose their ship and get a clone activation because they were too busy with some juvenille comment. FRICK and BDCI paid attention to what they were doing without distraction, and other pilots can take a tip from this.
FRICK and BDCI, I have to thank you and your employer, and I mean it with all honesty without any insult, sarcasm, or implied innuendo. This merc conflict, at one of the weakest points in our history, convinced me I found the right corp to join, the correct mix of organization and member freedom, some of the best people to gang with, and I can't think of any place I'd rather be.
Malcom
ôLife's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid-in-sideways, totally worn out, shouting...ÆHoly crap...what a ride!Æö
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Malcom Carswell
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:21:00 -
[60]
Some things I won't say due to security reasons, but I'd like to provide a perspective. Just like Meafy, I don't speak for EV, but just as one of her relatively minor members. I came into EV just before recruitment temporarily shut down, and soon after I joined a variety of events occurred that would normally stagger a corporation ro even shut it down. On top of these events was a reorg on a massive scale, scouting and then executing the logisitics of a corp HQ move, and having to deal with a lot of the old-timers taking thier gaming experience out of the corp. As a RL old-timer I was curious to see how the membership would respond. I knew I wasn't going anywhere, but I could see ripples of disgruntlement in a variety of places, to include confusion on the part of some of the other new members. Here they were joining this uber-corp, and first appearances made it look like it was slowly falling apart, but then the membership rallied and things started happening again. The organization was plain to see with the experienced people who remained taking the younger ones in hand, but I think it can be said that EV was at its most vulnerable right then.
Then the iceball named BDCI and FRICK hit EV real close to the temple. As pointed out, the first 72 hours were some of the worst that could have happened to an industrial-based corp. Too many new corp members unfamiliar with combat and the rules of corp warfare, coupled with the enemy having very experienced pvp-ers with skills geared toward combat rather than tearing rocks apart and making things out of them. I include myself in that group since I'm a miner at heart, and pit me against a combat pilot in an experienced and organized group, and my odds of survival aren't very good. Now I was really curious to see what would happen to EV, I expected the membership to start to evaporate, but then they surprised me. A few disappeared, but the remaining members just buckled down and got harder. Our HC quickly diversified our mission and we were productive again, albeit a little below pre-merc war level. Those of us who knew the limitations and parameters that a merc war would have passed on the info to the rest of us and we knew we could survive and thrive almost indefinitely.
EV really surprised me with there response and actions. Did we suffer losses? Of course we did, but our combat pilots made their presence felt and the rest of the corp machine moved on to keep us economically viable, and, as any Caldari will tell you, it's the almighty isk that determines success or failure. One internal item I think I can say; when the call for more minerals went out from our HC, what were we most in need of?...tritanium...heh. The miners had no problems solving that little problem without having to worry about enemy intys, jammers, scramblers, bs's or anything else.
Another thing that surprised was the professionalism of BDCI and FRICK. The executed their contract, performed their maneuvers, shot down ships, and were basically quite effective at what they do...waging Empire corp warfare...and they did all this without the typical smack talk I've become accustomed to seeing in the local channel. During active combat maneuvers I only use local to see who's present, their words are usually unimportant. I've seen too many pilots get distracted typing or reading bombastic rhetoric in the local channel and then lose their ship and get a clone activation because they were too busy with some juvenille comment. FRICK and BDCI paid attention to what they were doing without distraction, and other pilots can take a tip from this.
FRICK and BDCI, I have to thank you and your employer, and I mean it with all honesty without any insult, sarcasm, or implied innuendo. This merc conflict, at one of the weakest points in our history, convinced me I found the right corp to join, the correct mix of organization and member freedom, some of the best people to gang with, and I can't think of any place I'd rather be.
Malcom
ôLife's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid-in-sideways, totally worn out, shouting...ÆHoly crap...what a ride!Æö
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:25:00 -
[61]
yes i do indeed and you know waht i have never seen my shileds and armor drop that fast.
that's why i said i learned a lot from fighting you guys..
great tactics indeed.
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:25:00 -
[62]
yes i do indeed and you know waht i have never seen my shileds and armor drop that fast.
that's why i said i learned a lot from fighting you guys..
great tactics indeed.
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:49:00 -
[63]
Very very very nice video. I like the story and the music is great. I wait for more.
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CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:49:00 -
[64]
Very very very nice video. I like the story and the music is great. I wait for more.
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CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:09:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Ostaps on 20/08/2004 14:10:38
Originally by: Malcom Carswell
I include myself in that group since I'm a miner at heart, and pit me against a combat pilot in an experienced and organized group, and my odds of survival aren't very good. Now I was really curious to see what would happen to EV, I expected the membership to start to evaporate, but then they surprised me. A few disappeared, but the remaining members just buckled down and got harder. Our HC quickly diversified our mission and we were productive again, albeit a little below pre-merc war level. Those of us who knew the limitations and parameters that a merc war would have passed on the info to the rest of us and we knew we could survive and thrive almost indefinitely.
You know what they say - what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger :) and it's great that you can see things whis way, sort of see one positive thing amongst thousands of negative things.
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:09:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Ostaps on 20/08/2004 14:10:38
Originally by: Malcom Carswell
I include myself in that group since I'm a miner at heart, and pit me against a combat pilot in an experienced and organized group, and my odds of survival aren't very good. Now I was really curious to see what would happen to EV, I expected the membership to start to evaporate, but then they surprised me. A few disappeared, but the remaining members just buckled down and got harder. Our HC quickly diversified our mission and we were productive again, albeit a little below pre-merc war level. Those of us who knew the limitations and parameters that a merc war would have passed on the info to the rest of us and we knew we could survive and thrive almost indefinitely.
You know what they say - what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger :) and it's great that you can see things whis way, sort of see one positive thing amongst thousands of negative things.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:26:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Malcom Carswell
Another thing that surprised was the professionalism of BDCI and FRICK. The executed their contract, performed their maneuvers, shot down ships, and were basically quite effective at what they do...waging Empire corp warfare...and they did all this without the typical smack talk I've become accustomed to seeing in the local channel.
Thank you for that, Malcom, but it's really nothing more than our standard operating procedure. We'll exchange the occasional friendly jibe sometimes but for the most part we prefer just to do the job.
As to the rest of your post, it is a very good write up from the EV point of view. I think it will be some time before EV returns to its former glory but people like yourself can make all the difference.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Malcom Carswell
Another thing that surprised was the professionalism of BDCI and FRICK. The executed their contract, performed their maneuvers, shot down ships, and were basically quite effective at what they do...waging Empire corp warfare...and they did all this without the typical smack talk I've become accustomed to seeing in the local channel.
Thank you for that, Malcom, but it's really nothing more than our standard operating procedure. We'll exchange the occasional friendly jibe sometimes but for the most part we prefer just to do the job.
As to the rest of your post, it is a very good write up from the EV point of view. I think it will be some time before EV returns to its former glory but people like yourself can make all the difference.
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Kirushi
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:30:00 -
[69]
"we want more! we want more!"
awsom vids, it has been a real pleasure to watch them!
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Kirushi
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:30:00 -
[70]
"we want more! we want more!"
awsom vids, it has been a real pleasure to watch them!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:40:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 15:17:44
Just an FYI: Currently from the stats I can see on our website, Vol I has been downloaded about 100 more times than Vol II. I just wanted to remind everyone that there are indeed two videos that are both very different in content. Watching Vol I without seeing Vol II is bad, m'kay?
Also, because of the file sizes if you are having download problems from our site, try the mirrors set up by Leafo:
Mirror for Part I | Mirror for Part II
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:40:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 15:17:44
Just an FYI: Currently from the stats I can see on our website, Vol I has been downloaded about 100 more times than Vol II. I just wanted to remind everyone that there are indeed two videos that are both very different in content. Watching Vol I without seeing Vol II is bad, m'kay?
Also, because of the file sizes if you are having download problems from our site, try the mirrors set up by Leafo:
Mirror for Part I | Mirror for Part II
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Nora Zaark
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:46:00 -
[73]
WOW!
I normally just run agent missions for fun, but watching these videos.....
Incredible!
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Nora Zaark
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:46:00 -
[74]
WOW!
I normally just run agent missions for fun, but watching these videos.....
Incredible!
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Look at all the cute little animals! |
Karmic
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:58:00 -
[75]
bloody dialup keeping me out of the contract :( 
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Karmic
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:58:00 -
[76]
bloody dialup keeping me out of the contract :(
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:00:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 15:01:52
oops! please delete.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:00:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 15:01:52
oops! please delete.
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Danks
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:21:00 -
[79]
Those vids are great! It really adds something to the flow when you narrate what's going on. I think it makes a more engrossing vid than just showing ships exploding (not that that isn't cool too ).
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Danks
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:21:00 -
[80]
Those vids are great! It really adds something to the flow when you narrate what's going on. I think it makes a more engrossing vid than just showing ships exploding (not that that isn't cool too ).
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:22:00 -
[81]
Very nice work Seleene, nice to see all those pieces of Caldari superiority! I almost had to run to the toilet when those 5 Ravens showed up :)
As for the sniping Mega: haha, lol... But such a waste of a nice close up brawler :)
And yeah, if you end up in a fair fight, you planned it wrong, plain and simple :)
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:22:00 -
[82]
Very nice work Seleene, nice to see all those pieces of Caldari superiority! I almost had to run to the toilet when those 5 Ravens showed up :)
As for the sniping Mega: haha, lol... But such a waste of a nice close up brawler :)
And yeah, if you end up in a fair fight, you planned it wrong, plain and simple :)
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:23:00 -
[83]
My dear Seleene,
I'm not going to make any long rantings on how good this
was I'll just leave it at this:
AWESOME! This is your best work so far no question about it!
Good music, good shots, love the small voice overs, good story
and excellent executed operations as it seems!
BDCI really shines and together with the Sharks are showing
of an impressive force!
Now I cant decide what would be more fun, fighting against you
or with you!
I have but one simpel request, when fighting, loose the HUD.
It cleans up the view a bit(also drops the lag as you know).
Keep it up!
Regards,
LOWA - well this became a bit longer than I said it would be...
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Lowa
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:23:00 -
[84]
My dear Seleene,
I'm not going to make any long rantings on how good this
was I'll just leave it at this:
AWESOME! This is your best work so far no question about it!
Good music, good shots, love the small voice overs, good story
and excellent executed operations as it seems!
BDCI really shines and together with the Sharks are showing
of an impressive force!
Now I cant decide what would be more fun, fighting against you
or with you!
I have but one simpel request, when fighting, loose the HUD.
It cleans up the view a bit(also drops the lag as you know).
Keep it up!
Regards,
LOWA - well this became a bit longer than I said it would be...
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:30:00 -
[85]
great work seleene almost made me want to join your corp
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:30:00 -
[86]
great work seleene almost made me want to join your corp
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:32:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Ostaps on 20/08/2004 15:35:52
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
As for the sniping Mega: haha, lol... But such a waste of a nice close up brawler :)
Hehe, you mean ripping the hell out of dual mwd frigates using insta-jumps around gates and stations with Mega's uber armor tank close range blasta power? the sniper setup paid off, really it did :)
//sorry for the offtopic :)
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:32:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Ostaps on 20/08/2004 15:35:52
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
As for the sniping Mega: haha, lol... But such a waste of a nice close up brawler :)
Hehe, you mean ripping the hell out of dual mwd frigates using insta-jumps around gates and stations with Mega's uber armor tank close range blasta power? the sniper setup paid off, really it did :)
//sorry for the offtopic :)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Very nice work Seleene, nice to see all those pieces of Caldari superiority! I almost had to run to the toilet when those 5 Ravens showed up :)
I've got a screenshot of one night where we have seven Ravens and four Scorpions. Wanna see? What's that do for ya??
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
As for the sniping Mega: haha, lol... But such a waste of a nice close up brawler :)
It's called Long Range Terror and next time there may be a pair of Megas and an Apoc doing the same thing.
Originally by: Lowa
AWESOME! This is your best work so far no question about it!
Good music, good shots, love the small voice overs, good story
and excellent executed operations as it seems!
Now I cant decide what would be more fun, fighting against you
or with you!
Thanks, Lowa. I assure you that you'd much rather fight with us. We're a nasty bunch! Yaaar!! Oh crap... I'm not supposed to do that anymore.
Originally by: Lowa
I have but one simpel request, when fighting, loose the HUD.
It cleans up the view a bit(also drops the lag as you know).
Well, I had about half a dozen people filming so I can't control thier keyboards. Be cool if I could tho... Maybe that's what the 'Multi-tasking' skill on the market is for?? I try to keep the screen as clean as possible, but I'm also trying to kill things. Stuff like the scanner comes in handy for that sometimes.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:41:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Very nice work Seleene, nice to see all those pieces of Caldari superiority! I almost had to run to the toilet when those 5 Ravens showed up :)
I've got a screenshot of one night where we have seven Ravens and four Scorpions. Wanna see? What's that do for ya??
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
As for the sniping Mega: haha, lol... But such a waste of a nice close up brawler :)
It's called Long Range Terror and next time there may be a pair of Megas and an Apoc doing the same thing.
Originally by: Lowa
AWESOME! This is your best work so far no question about it!
Good music, good shots, love the small voice overs, good story
and excellent executed operations as it seems!
Now I cant decide what would be more fun, fighting against you
or with you!
Thanks, Lowa. I assure you that you'd much rather fight with us. We're a nasty bunch! Yaaar!! Oh crap... I'm not supposed to do that anymore.
Originally by: Lowa
I have but one simpel request, when fighting, loose the HUD.
It cleans up the view a bit(also drops the lag as you know).
Well, I had about half a dozen people filming so I can't control thier keyboards. Be cool if I could tho... Maybe that's what the 'Multi-tasking' skill on the market is for?? I try to keep the screen as clean as possible, but I'm also trying to kill things. Stuff like the scanner comes in handy for that sometimes.
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:52:00 -
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i must say the movie was nicely put 2 gether and good music, but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:52:00 -
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i must say the movie was nicely put 2 gether and good music, but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:56:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 16:00:50
Originally by: lordmix
but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
BDCI's official response: "ROFL!!!!!one1111!!!eleven!!!!!"
Thank you. You may now return to reality.
EDIT: I can't believe I'm biting this hook, but what, pray tell, is a "real fighting corp", sir?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 15:56:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Seleene on 20/08/2004 16:00:50
Originally by: lordmix
but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
BDCI's official response: "ROFL!!!!!one1111!!!eleven!!!!!"
Thank you. You may now return to reality.
EDIT: I can't believe I'm biting this hook, but what, pray tell, is a "real fighting corp", sir?
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Sheriff Justice
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:12:00 -
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Bling Bling
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Sheriff Justice
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:12:00 -
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Bling Bling
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:19:00 -
[97]
When the shooting starts, skills mean nothing.
Battle = chaos. One leader calling targets is all that stands between firing at will and an organized gank.
The actual skill in this game is with maneuvering, picking your fights and coordination / setups.
All my humble opinion ofcourse, but what you see in vids is mostly the result of the skills people possess. If others think it was a gank, then they were outsmarted :)
Originally by: lordmix
i must say the movie was nicely put 2 gether and good music, but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:19:00 -
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When the shooting starts, skills mean nothing.
Battle = chaos. One leader calling targets is all that stands between firing at will and an organized gank.
The actual skill in this game is with maneuvering, picking your fights and coordination / setups.
All my humble opinion ofcourse, but what you see in vids is mostly the result of the skills people possess. If others think it was a gank, then they were outsmarted :)
Originally by: lordmix
i must say the movie was nicely put 2 gether and good music, but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:29:00 -
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As usual a beutiful movie. but where the hell is my credit. I'm sure I brought you coffee at some point...
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:29:00 -
[100]
As usual a beutiful movie. but where the hell is my credit. I'm sure I brought you coffee at some point...
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Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI
I have a blog
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:29:00 -
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great work on the vid Seleene liked it very much , every vid makes my finger more and more itchy to hit apply
esp teh story etc ts/music very cool to me Leafo and y set teh standard atm
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:29:00 -
[102]
great work on the vid Seleene liked it very much , every vid makes my finger more and more itchy to hit apply
esp teh story etc ts/music very cool to me Leafo and y set teh standard atm
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:35:00 -
[103]
Originally by: unknown alt
it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it.
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
If others think it was a gank, then they were outsmarted :)
0wNt!!!
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.08.20 16:35:00 -
[104]
Originally by: unknown alt
it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it.
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
If others think it was a gank, then they were outsmarted :)
0wNt!!!
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Leafo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 17:37:00 -
[105]
Seleene, you already know what I think of these videos as you contacted me in the early production stage to get my views and comments. When you did this was very honoured as I see you as one of the top notch moviemakers out there. That you still thought that I could provide some advice for you...
Well here it goes....OMFG!!!
The soundtracks of this video is so good, you have manged to mix different types of music perfectly and the clips fits perfectly and gives the movie and the story a perfect mood and flow!
It is not easy to make a movie with this length and still keep the audiences full attention but you manage to do this in style! Nice story that makes you wanna find out what will happen next.
I think next time it will be me who asks you for advice.
Please though throw out WMM an install Adobe Premiere Pro (that I know you have!) and sit down with it for a couple of hours. If you can make this in WMM I can't wait to see what you can produce in Premiere!
Keep it up!
//Leafo
(thanks for the credit, wasn't really necessary but it's still nice to have a finger in a video of this caliber! )
click on sig for all my videos
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Leafo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 17:37:00 -
[106]
Seleene, you already know what I think of these videos as you contacted me in the early production stage to get my views and comments. When you did this was very honoured as I see you as one of the top notch moviemakers out there. That you still thought that I could provide some advice for you...
Well here it goes....OMFG!!!
The soundtracks of this video is so good, you have manged to mix different types of music perfectly and the clips fits perfectly and gives the movie and the story a perfect mood and flow!
It is not easy to make a movie with this length and still keep the audiences full attention but you manage to do this in style! Nice story that makes you wanna find out what will happen next.
I think next time it will be me who asks you for advice.
Please though throw out WMM an install Adobe Premiere Pro (that I know you have!) and sit down with it for a couple of hours. If you can make this in WMM I can't wait to see what you can produce in Premiere!
Keep it up!
//Leafo
(thanks for the credit, wasn't really necessary but it's still nice to have a finger in a video of this caliber! )
click on sig for all my videos
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Leegion
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Posted - 2004.08.20 17:37:00 -
[107]
It was lots of fun, but yah I was finally caught there.
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Leegion
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Posted - 2004.08.20 17:37:00 -
[108]
It was lots of fun, but yah I was finally caught there.
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Leafo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 17:39:00 -
[109]
Originally by: The Clash
esp teh story etc ts/music very cool to me Leafo and y set teh standard atm
Well thank you Sir! One tries to make all of you satisfied, and y'all are getting harder and harder to please tbh...
click on sig for all my videos
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Leafo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 17:39:00 -
[110]
Originally by: The Clash
esp teh story etc ts/music very cool to me Leafo and y set teh standard atm
Well thank you Sir! One tries to make all of you satisfied, and y'all are getting harder and harder to please tbh...
click on sig for all my videos
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Kirin
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:40:00 -
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Nice vids Seleene! :)
CEO - Everlasting Vendetta
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Kirin
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:40:00 -
[112]
Nice vids Seleene! :)
CEO - Everlasting Vendetta
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The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:42:00 -
[113]
Originally by: lordmix
i must say the movie was nicely put 2 gether and good music, but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
We coulda put in the vid where our squad which was smaller than theirs jumped through the gate and slaughtered Hampstah's Raven before all their forces warped out. But we do what is necessary to win, that is what we are paid for. If EV wanted to blob, our job is to blob along with them so that we can prevail.
Admiral Leyton you are a cool guy, and a good sport...but dont undock your raven and go afk in the middle of a war.... :P tsk tsk tsk
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The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:42:00 -
[114]
Originally by: lordmix
i must say the movie was nicely put 2 gether and good music, but i must say it was nothing but a ganking vid no skill in it. and i hope foryou, you never meet a real fighting corp.
We coulda put in the vid where our squad which was smaller than theirs jumped through the gate and slaughtered Hampstah's Raven before all their forces warped out. But we do what is necessary to win, that is what we are paid for. If EV wanted to blob, our job is to blob along with them so that we can prevail.
Admiral Leyton you are a cool guy, and a good sport...but dont undock your raven and go afk in the middle of a war.... :P tsk tsk tsk
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: nieo on 20/08/2004 18:55:03
Hampstahs Raven[edited] is one of the kills we got when attacking a bigger force than our own. The other time you had an advantage of two battleships and when we had you all jammed and locked down you launched your docked battleships upon us. I really hurt from the one shot your Tempest got at me when warping away. If we'd stuck around your bl0b, you'd get a fair couple of us. Now that ain't a good choice for us. 
Those two attacks ain't in any video unfortunately, but the video displayed the boost you got when Divine Retribution joined your side in the war. Forced us to rethink our strategies and outfits.
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:53:00 -
[116]
Edited by: nieo on 20/08/2004 18:55:03
Hampstahs Raven[edited] is one of the kills we got when attacking a bigger force than our own. The other time you had an advantage of two battleships and when we had you all jammed and locked down you launched your docked battleships upon us. I really hurt from the one shot your Tempest got at me when warping away. If we'd stuck around your bl0b, you'd get a fair couple of us. Now that ain't a good choice for us.
Those two attacks ain't in any video unfortunately, but the video displayed the boost you got when Divine Retribution joined your side in the war. Forced us to rethink our strategies and outfits.
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Mechanical Death
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:55:00 -
[117]
Great videos Seleene.
Ow.
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Mechanical Death
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Posted - 2004.08.20 18:55:00 -
[118]
Great videos Seleene.
Ow.
Epic Faction [-EF-] |
fuze
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Posted - 2004.08.20 19:30:00 -
[119]
Only Seleene can make wars look this good.
Hats off to ya!
(opinion as a semi-pro recording engineer: music could be a tad better, throwing in old movie scores is getting a bit stale)
We're honored you needed 2 parts to promote your war with us guys ;)
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fuze
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Posted - 2004.08.20 19:30:00 -
[120]
Only Seleene can make wars look this good.
Hats off to ya!
(opinion as a semi-pro recording engineer: music could be a tad better, throwing in old movie scores is getting a bit stale)
We're honored you needed 2 parts to promote your war with us guys ;)
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Triskall
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:14:00 -
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First, let me say this video and BDCI are Top Notch!
I've held my peace a long time when it has come to talking about BDCI. Not because they ganked me when I was new (what a painful learning experience), but out of loyalty to my friends.
I was a member of Jurai Blood. BDCI took a contract to do some damage to us (though I still have no idea why since we and our corp were so new to the game - less than a month old, I believe - though I have my suspicians it might have to do with us beating up on an ore theif). Well, they didn't just damage us. They obliterated us. tbh, many people in Jurai took the pvp too seriously. When I found out things were getting weird between one of our members and BDCI members, I paid the ransom on the contract to stop things from escalating (as always, my apologies to BDCI for the actions of that member).
Jurai Blood basically doesn't exist anymore. After the battle with BDCI, people started leaving the corp (starting with me, I think) in order to get some sort of PvP experience or just to move on to other things. But the war with BDCI was the turning point for us.
BDCI conducts themselves professionally and keeps the smacktalk to a minimum. They really know what they are doing and appear to have fun doing it. I know I will probably get in trouble with my friends for saying this, but I respect BDCI a lot for the way they handle themselves and appreciate the role they play in EVE.
Grats Seleene
Triskall
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Triskall
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:14:00 -
[122]
First, let me say this video and BDCI are Top Notch!
I've held my peace a long time when it has come to talking about BDCI. Not because they ganked me when I was new (what a painful learning experience), but out of loyalty to my friends.
I was a member of Jurai Blood. BDCI took a contract to do some damage to us (though I still have no idea why since we and our corp were so new to the game - less than a month old, I believe - though I have my suspicians it might have to do with us beating up on an ore theif). Well, they didn't just damage us. They obliterated us. tbh, many people in Jurai took the pvp too seriously. When I found out things were getting weird between one of our members and BDCI members, I paid the ransom on the contract to stop things from escalating (as always, my apologies to BDCI for the actions of that member).
Jurai Blood basically doesn't exist anymore. After the battle with BDCI, people started leaving the corp (starting with me, I think) in order to get some sort of PvP experience or just to move on to other things. But the war with BDCI was the turning point for us.
BDCI conducts themselves professionally and keeps the smacktalk to a minimum. They really know what they are doing and appear to have fun doing it. I know I will probably get in trouble with my friends for saying this, but I respect BDCI a lot for the way they handle themselves and appreciate the role they play in EVE.
Grats Seleene
Triskall
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:19:00 -
[123]
Absolutely awesome.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:19:00 -
[124]
Absolutely awesome.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Spurna
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:24:00 -
[125]
Thanks for the kind words Triskall. I hope you and your buddies know it was nothing personal, it looks like you do anyway. We always strive to be as professional as possible. We enjoy our job and take our role in EVE very seriously.
With that said, we still realize it's just a game and everyone's out to have fun. I think that's why most of our contract hits have respect for us after it's all said and done.
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Spurna
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:24:00 -
[126]
Thanks for the kind words Triskall. I hope you and your buddies know it was nothing personal, it looks like you do anyway. We always strive to be as professional as possible. We enjoy our job and take our role in EVE very seriously.
With that said, we still realize it's just a game and everyone's out to have fun. I think that's why most of our contract hits have respect for us after it's all said and done.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:27:00 -
[127]
Wow... I'm honored by all of the comments here. Leafo's post left me a bit speechless.
Ahem... Okay, just to clear the air on a couple issues...
A "fair fight" in a war is, put simply, a losing one for an attacker. No one is paying us to fight fair and no sane military commander wants to take a force into a situation where he might lose. You bring out your blob, and we're going to bring out ours. Sometimes, we're going to crash our blob into yours tho.
There are a couple more good station battles and some excellent cruiser footage that got left on the cutting room floor. There were a few times where we came out of a multi-ship confrontation and I ordered a roll call only to discover we had come out relatively unscathed. I can only attribute this to the fact that we planned our load-outs a little better and executed our attacks in an intelligent manner.
Unfair? If at all possible, hell yes! It's war. Kill the enemy. I honestly don't give a damn about an enemy's opinion / perception of me "only fighting 100% certain odds" when I personally lead an attack, come out of cloak in my Raven and have six enemy battleships jamming and shooting at me!
My only regret for this vid was a lack of good footage of the gate battle that took place near the end of the campaign where an outnumbered BDCI/Shark fleet jumped into a blob of enemy ships camping the gate to Yoma in Ibura. It was a long, drawn out affair that ended in a glorious shootout for both sides.
Earlier in the day, Divine Retribution had led a breakout from their station when our numbers were reduced. Our forces fell back to Piak to regroup. A "forward observer" showed at least six battleships (other intel said seven) and a few cruisers on the other side of the gate in Ibura. We jumped back in outnumbered, with four battleships of our own, supported by four cruisers. The end result was one EV Raven (Hampstah) destroyed, at least two more BS (a Tempest and an Arma) forced to warp out with heavy damage and two cruiser kills. Our losses were a Blackbird and Charity's Caracal that was caught a few moments before we jumped in.
It was an amazing fight, but even with four people filming, somehow the footage just wasnÆt there. Everyone was shooting, jamming, there's HUD clutter on the footage as well. Just not much to see unless you were there and can fill in the blanks with your memories. 
I guess what it boils down to is this: we fought EV every single time it was possible. I only know of two instances where we pulled back. One of those is the situation described above and the other was right after Divine Retribution showed up and they and EV made a massive blob at the station and the gate out forcing the half dozen people we had on at the time to either commit virtual suicide or go find a good book to read.
The people who were there know exactly what went down. Neither BDCI or Sharks have anything to hide concerning our performance in this contract. We have no personal animosity toward EV or DVRN and would be just as happy to work for them as against them at this point. Some might find that strange. To us, itÆs just business as usual.
Thanks again to everyone who has complimented the video. Nothing is more inspirational than knowing your work is appreciated and I hope to continue doing this for some time to come!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:27:00 -
[128]
Wow... I'm honored by all of the comments here. Leafo's post left me a bit speechless.
Ahem... Okay, just to clear the air on a couple issues...
A "fair fight" in a war is, put simply, a losing one for an attacker. No one is paying us to fight fair and no sane military commander wants to take a force into a situation where he might lose. You bring out your blob, and we're going to bring out ours. Sometimes, we're going to crash our blob into yours tho.
There are a couple more good station battles and some excellent cruiser footage that got left on the cutting room floor. There were a few times where we came out of a multi-ship confrontation and I ordered a roll call only to discover we had come out relatively unscathed. I can only attribute this to the fact that we planned our load-outs a little better and executed our attacks in an intelligent manner.
Unfair? If at all possible, hell yes! It's war. Kill the enemy. I honestly don't give a damn about an enemy's opinion / perception of me "only fighting 100% certain odds" when I personally lead an attack, come out of cloak in my Raven and have six enemy battleships jamming and shooting at me!
My only regret for this vid was a lack of good footage of the gate battle that took place near the end of the campaign where an outnumbered BDCI/Shark fleet jumped into a blob of enemy ships camping the gate to Yoma in Ibura. It was a long, drawn out affair that ended in a glorious shootout for both sides.
Earlier in the day, Divine Retribution had led a breakout from their station when our numbers were reduced. Our forces fell back to Piak to regroup. A "forward observer" showed at least six battleships (other intel said seven) and a few cruisers on the other side of the gate in Ibura. We jumped back in outnumbered, with four battleships of our own, supported by four cruisers. The end result was one EV Raven (Hampstah) destroyed, at least two more BS (a Tempest and an Arma) forced to warp out with heavy damage and two cruiser kills. Our losses were a Blackbird and Charity's Caracal that was caught a few moments before we jumped in.
It was an amazing fight, but even with four people filming, somehow the footage just wasnÆt there. Everyone was shooting, jamming, there's HUD clutter on the footage as well. Just not much to see unless you were there and can fill in the blanks with your memories.
I guess what it boils down to is this: we fought EV every single time it was possible. I only know of two instances where we pulled back. One of those is the situation described above and the other was right after Divine Retribution showed up and they and EV made a massive blob at the station and the gate out forcing the half dozen people we had on at the time to either commit virtual suicide or go find a good book to read.
The people who were there know exactly what went down. Neither BDCI or Sharks have anything to hide concerning our performance in this contract. We have no personal animosity toward EV or DVRN and would be just as happy to work for them as against them at this point. Some might find that strange. To us, itÆs just business as usual.
Thanks again to everyone who has complimented the video. Nothing is more inspirational than knowing your work is appreciated and I hope to continue doing this for some time to come!
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 20/08/2004 21:01:15
Very true.
If you're in a fair fight, you've done something wrong.
The "Fair Fight" argument is a lame ass excuse from the people who cant accept that they were outmanuvered, outnumbered, overpowered and generally OWNED.
No serious military commander takes a stupid factor like "fair fighting" into consideration when planning a battle. In EVE and in RL.
Anyone defending "fair fight"s and "honorable challenges" is a sore loser and a hypocrit who cant accept the reality of things and prefers to make up pointless excuses instead of reconsidering his/her mistakes and fixing the problem.
Thx.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 20:59:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Viceroy on 20/08/2004 21:01:15
Very true.
If you're in a fair fight, you've done something wrong.
The "Fair Fight" argument is a lame ass excuse from the people who cant accept that they were outmanuvered, outnumbered, overpowered and generally OWNED.
No serious military commander takes a stupid factor like "fair fighting" into consideration when planning a battle. In EVE and in RL.
Anyone defending "fair fight"s and "honorable challenges" is a sore loser and a hypocrit who cant accept the reality of things and prefers to make up pointless excuses instead of reconsidering his/her mistakes and fixing the problem.
Thx.
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Purvy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Purvy on 20/08/2004 22:22:55
i finally got home from work to download it and watch it and all i can say was , my wife even set down and watched it, its frickin' awesome Seleene
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Purvy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 22:21:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Purvy on 20/08/2004 22:22:55
i finally got home from work to download it and watch it and all i can say was , my wife even set down and watched it, its frickin' awesome Seleene
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Sha'blach
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Posted - 2004.08.20 23:11:00 -
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gave the videos both a 10 rating, the music on the second ROCKED tho, makes me wish I could go above 10 :( 12/10!!
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Sha'blach
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Posted - 2004.08.20 23:11:00 -
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gave the videos both a 10 rating, the music on the second ROCKED tho, makes me wish I could go above 10 :( 12/10!!
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Darksend
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Posted - 2004.08.20 23:31:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Viceroy
Edited by: Viceroy on 20/08/2004 21:01:15
Very true.
If you're in a fair fight, you've done something wrong.
The "Fair Fight" argument is a lame ass excuse from the people who cant accept that they were outmanuvered, outnumbered, overpowered and generally OWNED.
No serious military commander takes a stupid factor like "fair fighting" into consideration when planning a battle. In EVE and in RL.
Anyone defending "fair fight"s and "honorable challenges" is a sore loser and a hypocrit who cant accept the reality of things and prefers to make up pointless excuses instead of reconsidering his/her mistakes and fixing the problem.
Thx.
That statement is one of the best ones I've seen. I just wish people would take heed and do what you stated instead of complaining about getting outnumbered/manuvered on the forums.
Simple truth - learn from your enemy and develop new tactics
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Darksend
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Posted - 2004.08.20 23:31:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Viceroy
Edited by: Viceroy on 20/08/2004 21:01:15
Very true.
If you're in a fair fight, you've done something wrong.
The "Fair Fight" argument is a lame ass excuse from the people who cant accept that they were outmanuvered, outnumbered, overpowered and generally OWNED.
No serious military commander takes a stupid factor like "fair fighting" into consideration when planning a battle. In EVE and in RL.
Anyone defending "fair fight"s and "honorable challenges" is a sore loser and a hypocrit who cant accept the reality of things and prefers to make up pointless excuses instead of reconsidering his/her mistakes and fixing the problem.
Thx.
That statement is one of the best ones I've seen. I just wish people would take heed and do what you stated instead of complaining about getting outnumbered/manuvered on the forums.
Simple truth - learn from your enemy and develop new tactics
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Rothco
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Posted - 2004.08.21 02:03:00 -
[137]
Great work on the movie and the coordination Seleene. It was a fun, well fought contract. Bring more
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Rothco
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Posted - 2004.08.21 02:03:00 -
[138]
Great work on the movie and the coordination Seleene. It was a fun, well fought contract. Bring more
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.08.21 02:41:00 -
[139]
Fun times guys.
I was thinking of posting some smack talking comments about how you would never meet us during a fair fight.... and seemed to gank some unwarry, unlucky pilots.
Then I thought to my self. Wait they are merc corps. That is exactly what they are supposed to do. Why would they rush into a fleet battle? Maybe they would come out even, maybe not. EV, at least I feel, has a fair bit more experiance in fleet battles then both your corps, and we should have slaughtered you had you done that. But that aside, Body count and the sharks were not here to fight 1vs1 and come out with equal odds. You were here to gank, and gank you did. Which imo is exactly what you were supposed to do. Thats what I would want my merc corp to do, why lose ships? Your here to fight for profit, not to hold a region or a station. There no profit in losing BS's.
To the sharks and body count. Congrats you played your part well. No smack in local, friendly talk all around, and engaging when you knew you could win. Hiding in safe spots when you couldn't. Not a darn thing I would change, if I were in charge.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.08.21 02:41:00 -
[140]
Fun times guys.
I was thinking of posting some smack talking comments about how you would never meet us during a fair fight.... and seemed to gank some unwarry, unlucky pilots.
Then I thought to my self. Wait they are merc corps. That is exactly what they are supposed to do. Why would they rush into a fleet battle? Maybe they would come out even, maybe not. EV, at least I feel, has a fair bit more experiance in fleet battles then both your corps, and we should have slaughtered you had you done that. But that aside, Body count and the sharks were not here to fight 1vs1 and come out with equal odds. You were here to gank, and gank you did. Which imo is exactly what you were supposed to do. Thats what I would want my merc corp to do, why lose ships? Your here to fight for profit, not to hold a region or a station. There no profit in losing BS's.
To the sharks and body count. Congrats you played your part well. No smack in local, friendly talk all around, and engaging when you knew you could win. Hiding in safe spots when you couldn't. Not a darn thing I would change, if I were in charge.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.08.21 03:28:00 -
[141]
Selene, Those vids are pure art! Excellent footage, great story telling, and an interesting subject. Incorporating the character portraits was a fine touch and I am sure it brought a lot of pride to those pilots. looks like someone is finally giving Leafo a run for his money.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.08.21 03:28:00 -
[142]
Selene, Those vids are pure art! Excellent footage, great story telling, and an interesting subject. Incorporating the character portraits was a fine touch and I am sure it brought a lot of pride to those pilots. looks like someone is finally giving Leafo a run for his money.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.21 05:43:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Seleene on 21/08/2004 05:47:00
Originally by: Lorth
Fun times guys.
I was thinking of posting some smack talking comments about how you would never meet us during a fair fight.... and seemed to gank some unwarry, unlucky pilots.
Then I thought to my self. Wait they are merc corps. That is exactly what they are supposed to do. Why would they rush into a fleet battle? Maybe they would come out even, maybe not. EV, at least I feel, has a fair bit more experiance in fleet battles then both your corps, and we should have slaughtered you had you done that. But that aside, Body count and the sharks were not here to fight 1vs1 and come out with equal odds. You were here to gank, and gank you did. Which imo is exactly what you were supposed to do. Thats what I would want my merc corp to do, why lose ships? Your here to fight for profit, not to hold a region or a station. There no profit in losing BS's.
To the sharks and body count. Congrats you played your part well. No smack in local, friendly talk all around, and engaging when you knew you could win. Hiding in safe spots when you couldn't. Not a darn thing I would change, if I were in charge.
Lorth, first of all... you got a really spooky looking avatar, dude.
Your post is pretty much dead on, at least in the respect that we're not here to lose ships and such. It's my opinion, however, that "ganking" is a much overused term. These days, anyone who has ever faced a situation where they were outnumbered 2 to 1 says, "OMGWTF?! Ebil ganking bastards!!" Personally, I relish the chance to go one on one, but I don't go out seeking those situations. It did happen to me in ths war though on five different occasions (three cruiser vs. cruiser battles and two frig vs. frigs duels) and any one of your pilots who undocked who doesn't remember Ostaps in his Incursus attacking anyone and anything in sight is just in denial.
However, you seem to forget that we did engage in a couple fleet battles with EV and DVRN. Surely nothing as spectacular as what might happen during an old SA/CA confrontation, but any time you have half a dozen or more ships on each side, the standard rules for combat go straight out the window and, as another poster said earlier, the only difference between a blob and a fighting force is the commander calling targets. Ask your corp mates Hampstah and Meafy what happened at the Yoma gate in Ibura and see if they agree with your assesment of our abilities in this area.
Did we "gank" a lot of pilots? Sure. But surely no more than happens on a daily basis anywhere else in EVE. For a couple weeks, we turned your section of Empire into a small section of 0.0. That's our job, as you put it, and we try our best to do it well.
Thank you for the comments and fly safe in the future.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.21 05:43:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Seleene on 21/08/2004 05:47:00
Originally by: Lorth
Fun times guys.
I was thinking of posting some smack talking comments about how you would never meet us during a fair fight.... and seemed to gank some unwarry, unlucky pilots.
Then I thought to my self. Wait they are merc corps. That is exactly what they are supposed to do. Why would they rush into a fleet battle? Maybe they would come out even, maybe not. EV, at least I feel, has a fair bit more experiance in fleet battles then both your corps, and we should have slaughtered you had you done that. But that aside, Body count and the sharks were not here to fight 1vs1 and come out with equal odds. You were here to gank, and gank you did. Which imo is exactly what you were supposed to do. Thats what I would want my merc corp to do, why lose ships? Your here to fight for profit, not to hold a region or a station. There no profit in losing BS's.
To the sharks and body count. Congrats you played your part well. No smack in local, friendly talk all around, and engaging when you knew you could win. Hiding in safe spots when you couldn't. Not a darn thing I would change, if I were in charge.
Lorth, first of all... you got a really spooky looking avatar, dude.
Your post is pretty much dead on, at least in the respect that we're not here to lose ships and such. It's my opinion, however, that "ganking" is a much overused term. These days, anyone who has ever faced a situation where they were outnumbered 2 to 1 says, "OMGWTF?! Ebil ganking bastards!!" Personally, I relish the chance to go one on one, but I don't go out seeking those situations. It did happen to me in ths war though on five different occasions (three cruiser vs. cruiser battles and two frig vs. frigs duels) and any one of your pilots who undocked who doesn't remember Ostaps in his Incursus attacking anyone and anything in sight is just in denial.
However, you seem to forget that we did engage in a couple fleet battles with EV and DVRN. Surely nothing as spectacular as what might happen during an old SA/CA confrontation, but any time you have half a dozen or more ships on each side, the standard rules for combat go straight out the window and, as another poster said earlier, the only difference between a blob and a fighting force is the commander calling targets. Ask your corp mates Hampstah and Meafy what happened at the Yoma gate in Ibura and see if they agree with your assesment of our abilities in this area.
Did we "gank" a lot of pilots? Sure. But surely no more than happens on a daily basis anywhere else in EVE. For a couple weeks, we turned your section of Empire into a small section of 0.0. That's our job, as you put it, and we try our best to do it well.
Thank you for the comments and fly safe in the future.
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Beatrus
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Posted - 2004.08.21 05:55:00 -
[145]
Well it was fun in the war.. But after seeing the videos and encoding them to DVD format and making a DVD out of the videos it gets really sexy... It is soo uber to watch fraps on your big screen TV with surround sound... I am still sitting here watching it again and again at 2 am....
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Beatrus
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Posted - 2004.08.21 05:55:00 -
[146]
Well it was fun in the war.. But after seeing the videos and encoding them to DVD format and making a DVD out of the videos it gets really sexy... It is soo uber to watch fraps on your big screen TV with surround sound... I am still sitting here watching it again and again at 2 am....
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Casius
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Posted - 2004.08.21 06:14:00 -
[147]
Great Movies Seleene, always good to see a movie with a story instead of just random fighting and ganks
Look forward to the next movies
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Casius
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Posted - 2004.08.21 06:14:00 -
[148]
Great Movies Seleene, always good to see a movie with a story instead of just random fighting and ganks
Look forward to the next movies
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Grumwulf
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Posted - 2004.08.21 10:23:00 -
[149]
That was, hands down, two of the most awesome vids ever made. The opening of the first with the portraits and parade of ships was beautiful, but the second movie with the music... wow, that music!!! Just outstanding all around.
I'll second what others with past experience have said about BDCI - they are real pros. To those that think these guys are nothing but gankers and that crap, I would say you'd change your tune if you ever had to go a few rounds with Seleene or one of her peopele. I don't know much about the Sharks but if they are up to BDCI's standards then they are nothing to be taken lightly.
Best of luck guys!
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Grumwulf
"I do agent missions n' stuff." |
Grumwulf
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Posted - 2004.08.21 10:23:00 -
[150]
That was, hands down, two of the most awesome vids ever made. The opening of the first with the portraits and parade of ships was beautiful, but the second movie with the music... wow, that music!!! Just outstanding all around.
I'll second what others with past experience have said about BDCI - they are real pros. To those that think these guys are nothing but gankers and that crap, I would say you'd change your tune if you ever had to go a few rounds with Seleene or one of her peopele. I don't know much about the Sharks but if they are up to BDCI's standards then they are nothing to be taken lightly.
Best of luck guys!
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Grumwulf
"I do agent missions n' stuff." |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:25:00 -
[151]
Brilliant videos Selene, I enjoyed watching them more than anything I have seen in the last two months.
The seige of Ibura looked to have been done perfectly.
I hope it leads to many more contracts for BDCI and FRICK.
congrats sweety,
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:25:00 -
[152]
Brilliant videos Selene, I enjoyed watching them more than anything I have seen in the last two months.
The seige of Ibura looked to have been done perfectly.
I hope it leads to many more contracts for BDCI and FRICK.
congrats sweety,
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:25:00 -
[153]
Fun had, damage done (noble or not), client happy - all that matters :)
And I am amazed - you can do this with Windows Movie Maker?
Well, as I've been telling Seleene, Premiere is the next big thing in video :)
The toughest part is the learning curve, for someone who is not familiar with the
term "composer window and timeline editing". If you get past that and actually sit down
with it and not let go until you know at least how to put a sequence together, you're all good. The only limitation with Premiere is your fantasy. You can do pretty much everything, besides in goes on well with Photoshop layer files, you can import all kinds of vector graphic program files into it, to basically create - animation :)
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:25:00 -
[154]
Fun had, damage done (noble or not), client happy - all that matters :)
And I am amazed - you can do this with Windows Movie Maker?
Well, as I've been telling Seleene, Premiere is the next big thing in video :)
The toughest part is the learning curve, for someone who is not familiar with the
term "composer window and timeline editing". If you get past that and actually sit down
with it and not let go until you know at least how to put a sequence together, you're all good. The only limitation with Premiere is your fantasy. You can do pretty much everything, besides in goes on well with Photoshop layer files, you can import all kinds of vector graphic program files into it, to basically create - animation :)
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:30:00 -
[155]
This is such wonderful work Seleene I'm left speechless!
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Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK |
Julien Derida
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:30:00 -
[156]
This is such wonderful work Seleene I'm left speechless!
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Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK |
Lanu
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:34:00 -
[157]
Great vid! that's some nice work.. and 1b+ damage :\ that's nice to know if i ever need a merc corp
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Lanu
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:34:00 -
[158]
Great vid! that's some nice work.. and 1b+ damage :\ that's nice to know if i ever need a merc corp
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Blockoindi
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:47:00 -
[159]
Seleene, absolutely fantastic videos, was a pleasure to watch them both, and i echo the words of who it was posting earlier saying to CCP that this quality is worthy of them to use for their adverts :-).
Body Count Inc and Sharks should be on the top of everyones list when they sought out a Mercenary corporation.
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Blockoindi
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Posted - 2004.08.21 11:47:00 -
[160]
Seleene, absolutely fantastic videos, was a pleasure to watch them both, and i echo the words of who it was posting earlier saying to CCP that this quality is worthy of them to use for their adverts :-).
Body Count Inc and Sharks should be on the top of everyones list when they sought out a Mercenary corporation.
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.21 15:43:00 -
[161]
how about CCP putting it up for download on their servers, under the 'user created videos'?
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.08.21 15:43:00 -
[162]
how about CCP putting it up for download on their servers, under the 'user created videos'?
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Charity Regard
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Posted - 2004.08.21 17:38:00 -
[163]
First off, Seleene that is some orgasmic movie making right there. You know I am a HUGE fan of your work and being in one of your flicks is just awesome.
Secondly, I thought I would share a few things I learned from the Everlasting Vendetta contract.
- Did you know the little yellow arrows in the bottom left hand corner of the screen allow you to leave the station?
- Every system is a different COLOR!
- If you shoot gates, they will shoot back!
- My Corpse is apparently worth more than some of the items I sell
- Sitting OUTSIDE the station doing nothing can actually be more fun and more boring than sitting inside all at the same time.
- There is more than one way to get down and dirty with the boys
In all seriousness, this contract against EV working with both my boys in Sharks and the guys in BDCI was an absolutely fantastic experience. It truly was two of the best weeks I have had in EVE! (OMG - PVP r0x0rs! )
BDCI is a top notch organization with some truly wonderful members, thank you so much for inviting Sharks to join you. I hope that this isnt the last time the EVE universe sees our two corporations teaming up for some action!
Sharks, you guys know how much I love you. Thanks for making the game worth playing again for me. Everyday you make me smile and laugh and I truly believe you guys are some of the finest and most fun people playing EVE right now. CCP should let all of you play for free!
EV you guys have heart and it was great fun having you as a target. You had some real shining moments during this campaign and some of your members should really be congratulated for the love they have for their corporation. Good Luck to you guys in the future! Perhaps our paths will cross again sometime.
Again, fantastic work Seleene, your talent is an incredible addition to the community and I look forward to seeing what you come up with next!
xOxo
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Charity Regard
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Posted - 2004.08.21 17:38:00 -
[164]
First off, Seleene that is some orgasmic movie making right there. You know I am a HUGE fan of your work and being in one of your flicks is just awesome.
Secondly, I thought I would share a few things I learned from the Everlasting Vendetta contract.
- Did you know the little yellow arrows in the bottom left hand corner of the screen allow you to leave the station?
- Every system is a different COLOR!
- If you shoot gates, they will shoot back!
- My Corpse is apparently worth more than some of the items I sell
- Sitting OUTSIDE the station doing nothing can actually be more fun and more boring than sitting inside all at the same time.
- There is more than one way to get down and dirty with the boys
In all seriousness, this contract against EV working with both my boys in Sharks and the guys in BDCI was an absolutely fantastic experience. It truly was two of the best weeks I have had in EVE! (OMG - PVP r0x0rs! )
BDCI is a top notch organization with some truly wonderful members, thank you so much for inviting Sharks to join you. I hope that this isnt the last time the EVE universe sees our two corporations teaming up for some action!
Sharks, you guys know how much I love you. Thanks for making the game worth playing again for me. Everyday you make me smile and laugh and I truly believe you guys are some of the finest and most fun people playing EVE right now. CCP should let all of you play for free!
EV you guys have heart and it was great fun having you as a target. You had some real shining moments during this campaign and some of your members should really be congratulated for the love they have for their corporation. Good Luck to you guys in the future! Perhaps our paths will cross again sometime.
Again, fantastic work Seleene, your talent is an incredible addition to the community and I look forward to seeing what you come up with next!
xOxo
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Anjo
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Posted - 2004.08.21 18:04:00 -
[165]
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Anjo
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Posted - 2004.08.21 18:04:00 -
[166]
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2004.08.21 22:06:00 -
[167]
Yaaarrr!! Neurotic Cat basks in his .15 seconds of fame.
Camping that station was one of the bleakest things I've done in Eve. Ranks right up there with mining and agent whoring. But after watching this movie I want to do it all over again.
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2004.08.21 22:06:00 -
[168]
Yaaarrr!! Neurotic Cat basks in his .15 seconds of fame.
Camping that station was one of the bleakest things I've done in Eve. Ranks right up there with mining and agent whoring. But after watching this movie I want to do it all over again.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.21 22:36:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Neurotic Cat
Yaaarrr!! Neurotic Cat basks in his .15 seconds of fame.
Actually, your portrait is up for .40 seconds, NC!
You loved camping that station. Go on... admit it. That's right.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.21 22:36:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Neurotic Cat
Yaaarrr!! Neurotic Cat basks in his .15 seconds of fame.
Actually, your portrait is up for .40 seconds, NC!
You loved camping that station. Go on... admit it. That's right.
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T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today! |
The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.21 23:31:00 -
[171]
Anjo.....that is eary...you look like the twin i thought i lost as a little girl....could it be that we have been reunited by my merc fame?
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The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.21 23:31:00 -
[172]
Anjo.....that is eary...you look like the twin i thought i lost as a little girl....could it be that we have been reunited by my merc fame?
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BDCI Website - We solve problems. |
splattercat
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Posted - 2004.08.21 23:58:00 -
[173]
NICE VID
Congrats on a contract well done...nice to see.
Next time someone moans MIRC corps pick on helpless noobs pls poat them this link,Mirc corps take ANY contract if it pays,big or small corps..
Kepp up the good work..
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splattercat
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Posted - 2004.08.21 23:58:00 -
[174]
NICE VID
Congrats on a contract well done...nice to see.
Next time someone moans MIRC corps pick on helpless noobs pls poat them this link,Mirc corps take ANY contract if it pays,big or small corps..
Kepp up the good work..
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.22 00:12:00 -
[175]
Unreal job on the video, Seleene . You're almost ready for silver screen production.
Cao
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.22 00:12:00 -
[176]
Unreal job on the video, Seleene . You're almost ready for silver screen production.
Cao
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Jogyn
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Posted - 2004.08.22 01:22:00 -
[177]
Did i see a smilie on the end?
Really good movie except from that smilie |
Jogyn
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Posted - 2004.08.22 01:22:00 -
[178]
Did i see a smilie on the end?
Really good movie except from that smilie |
Mechanix
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Posted - 2004.08.22 02:39:00 -
[179]
wow
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2004.08.22 02:39:00 -
[180]
wow
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Meyer Meyer
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Posted - 2004.08.22 03:12:00 -
[181]
Very impressive work Seleene!
Someday I¦ll do you too... |
Meyer Meyer
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Posted - 2004.08.22 03:12:00 -
[182]
Very impressive work Seleene!
Someday I¦ll do you too... |
Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2004.08.22 03:17:00 -
[183]
Must say....impressive....very impressive....
I have watched (or how the ****** its spelled) 5 times in a row!!!!!
XLNT!!!!
//Rec
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2004.08.22 03:17:00 -
[184]
Must say....impressive....very impressive....
I have watched (or how the ****** its spelled) 5 times in a row!!!!!
XLNT!!!!
//Rec
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Remo Williams
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Posted - 2004.08.22 06:13:00 -
[185]
Man, u folks have some real talent with the vids...keep em coming... Best damn videos I have seen are yours!
*f3ar teh Rev0luti0n*
http://www.hydr4.com |
Remo Williams
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Posted - 2004.08.22 06:13:00 -
[186]
Man, u folks have some real talent with the vids...keep em coming... Best damn videos I have seen are yours!
*f3ar teh Rev0luti0n*
http://www.hydr4.com |
SkrittaK
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Posted - 2004.08.22 07:53:00 -
[187]
Firstly, very good pair of vids, obviously a lot of work went into it (and thats jsut the filming i dont even have 25GB to spare for hours of .avi )
I think more than anything this is a very good advertisement for the kind of 'services' both sharks and BC Inc provide, and i definatly wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of them. Good stuff lads and lasses :)
Semper Fidelis
Legion boys, we are here, shag your women and drink your beer! :) |
SkrittaK
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Posted - 2004.08.22 07:53:00 -
[188]
Firstly, very good pair of vids, obviously a lot of work went into it (and thats jsut the filming i dont even have 25GB to spare for hours of .avi )
I think more than anything this is a very good advertisement for the kind of 'services' both sharks and BC Inc provide, and i definatly wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of them. Good stuff lads and lasses :)
Semper Fidelis
Legion boys, we are here, shag your women and drink your beer! :) |
F'nog
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Posted - 2004.08.22 08:38:00 -
[189]
Love the Burninator's sig.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.08.22 08:38:00 -
[190]
Love the Burninator's sig.
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Karmic
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Posted - 2004.08.22 13:25:00 -
[191]
Yup I just made my cats watch the video.
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Karmic
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Posted - 2004.08.22 13:25:00 -
[192]
Yup I just made my cats watch the video.
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Erilynn
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Posted - 2004.08.22 18:16:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Karmic
Yup I just made my cats watch the video.
Is that a good thing? I mean, the subject matter is kind of violent. Your cats may need therapy afterwards.
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"Hold still. This will only sting for a moment..."
Where is my sig, Riz??? :( |
Erilynn
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Posted - 2004.08.22 18:16:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Karmic
Yup I just made my cats watch the video.
Is that a good thing? I mean, the subject matter is kind of violent. Your cats may need therapy afterwards.
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"Hold still. This will only sting for a moment..."
Where is my sig, Riz??? :( |
Claren
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Posted - 2004.08.22 21:38:00 -
[195]
Hmm, while in war I held you guys high becourse of the absence of smack talk. Looks like I have to reconsider that.
I wont take this ****.
Anyone who was there must have choked on their coffee when reading lines like this:
Quote:
Did you know the little yellow arrows in the bottom left hand corner of the screen allow you to leave the station?
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.
And Quote:
At no point was Everlasting Vedetta able to conduct any sort of large scala corp activity typical for an organisation of their size
(quote from video)
What a load of bull! The miners just moved to another system and kept going as usuall while Raptor wing kept you buzzy in Ibura. In some occasions we even had half Raptor wing up in Deklain to help out with that war, while 4 of us kept you hiding at your safespots.
I understand ther are no room for heroism when making business out of war, every lost ship is lost profit.
But blaming USfor being unwilling to fight is just plain ridiculous. We where sitting outside station and at gates for houres and houres, we could see you had an equal or stronger force in system and was hoping you would to come and fight, but naaaaa. not as long as there was more then 3 of us ready to fight back.
If anyone don't believe me, just look at the videos again.
What do you see? You see an overwelming number of Mercs attacking a few, or solo, EV pilots. In two occasions we see two equal forces on the vidoes, but we dont see any fighting in those clips, just a few seconds that shows the number of ships. Why is that Seleen, wouldn't those raging battles be good to show on video? Or is becourse you warped away as soon as we undocked more than 3 ships?
As I said above, I understand why you fight the way you do, but for god sake don't brag about it. And don't call us cowards!!! We where there, having the most boring war in the history of EV.
Thanks god TPS has moved down to EC, my guns was getting rusty.
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Posted - 2004.08.22 21:38:00 -
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Hmm, while in war I held you guys high becourse of the absence of smack talk. Looks like I have to reconsider that.
I wont take this ****.
Anyone who was there must have choked on their coffee when reading lines like this:
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Did you know the little yellow arrows in the bottom left hand corner of the screen allow you to leave the station?
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.
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At no point was Everlasting Vedetta able to conduct any sort of large scala corp activity typical for an organisation of their size
(quote from video)
What a load of bull! The miners just moved to another system and kept going as usuall while Raptor wing kept you buzzy in Ibura. In some occasions we even had half Raptor wing up in Deklain to help out with that war, while 4 of us kept you hiding at your safespots.
I understand ther are no room for heroism when making business out of war, every lost ship is lost profit.
But blaming USfor being unwilling to fight is just plain ridiculous. We where sitting outside station and at gates for houres and houres, we could see you had an equal or stronger force in system and was hoping you would to come and fight, but naaaaa. not as long as there was more then 3 of us ready to fight back.
If anyone don't believe me, just look at the videos again.
What do you see? You see an overwelming number of Mercs attacking a few, or solo, EV pilots. In two occasions we see two equal forces on the vidoes, but we dont see any fighting in those clips, just a few seconds that shows the number of ships. Why is that Seleen, wouldn't those raging battles be good to show on video? Or is becourse you warped away as soon as we undocked more than 3 ships?
As I said above, I understand why you fight the way you do, but for god sake don't brag about it. And don't call us cowards!!! We where there, having the most boring war in the history of EV.
Thanks god TPS has moved down to EC, my guns was getting rusty.
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Posted - 2004.08.22 22:22:00 -
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I figured a flame would hit, but I did not expect it from this particular source...
So, Claren, you won't take this ****? Hmmm... well, let's take a look at your grievences, shall we?
Originally by: Claren
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.
There is only one flaw with your argument here, but it is a fatal one. You see, this wasn't a long term affair. It was not some long alliance war where we could afford to take a few weeks setting up the perfect ambush. We don't have time to screw around and wait at safe spots 90% of the time. If so, damn, our 10% out in the open was pretty damn impressive, I'd say!
One, two, five, nine... whatever was there. Unless EV/DVRN significantly outnumbered us, we went in. That was our job. If they chose to, your own people can confirm this was the case.
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And Quote:
At no point was Everlasting Vedetta able to conduct any sort of large scala corp activity typical for an organisation of their size
(quote from video)
What a load of bull! The miners just moved to another system and kept going as usuall while Raptor wing kept you buzzy in Ibura.
Did they? And where exactly were these large empire mining ops taking place? An alt corp maybe? Doubtful. They were not within EV proper, that I do know. Large-scale means exactly that, Claren, and at no point between 30 July and 13 August did Everlasting Vendetta conduct an empire mining op typical of a corp boasting 100+ active members. I'm talking the six, twelve or twenty person jobs that provide a big corp with the low ends to replace losses, not a couple alts sucking away on scordite in Amarr.
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In some occasions we even had half Raptor wing up in Deklain to help out with that war, while 4 of us kept you hiding at your safespots.
Four of your pilots kept us hiding at safe spots?
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But blaming USfor being unwilling to fight is just plain ridiculous. We where sitting outside station and at gates for houres and houres,
Umm... no. You weren't.
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we could see you had an equal or stronger force in system and was hoping you would to come and fight, but naaaaa. not as long as there was more then 3 of us ready to fight back.
So... now three of you kept us hiding in our safe spots?
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If anyone don't believe me, just look at the videos again.
What do you see? You see an overwelming number of Mercs attacking a few, or solo, EV pilots. In two occasions we see two equal forces on the vidoes, but we dont see any fighting in those clips, just a few seconds that shows the number of ships. Why is that Seleen, wouldn't those raging battles be good to show on video? Or is becourse you warped away as soon as we undocked more than 3 ships?
As has been stated more than once, the videos represent roughly 30% of the filmed footage. There was a good deal that was not filmed, in addition to lots of purple and orange boxes firing away at each other. Good for records, but not so much for movie presentation. You want another boring vid of boxes shooting at each other? Sorry, I don't do those anymore.
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As I said above, I understand why you fight the way you do, but for god sake don't brag about it. And don't call us cowards!!! We where there, having the most boring war in the history of EV.
Okay, at this point you've crossed the line. I never once, in this thread, in the video, in direct communication with your superiors or in local ever referred to you or your corp mates as cowards. I even made it a point in the video to comment on the fact that you were one of the few EV pilots we saw on a regular basis fighting the good fight. Now you are just making things up to lend credence to your version of events.
Go re-read my posts in this thread. Am I bragging? Are any of my pilots talking smack about EV? Are any of the Sharks going out of their way to put EV in a bad light? Hardly.
Claren, your entire post is based upon emotion. It could have been copied and pasted from any one of a hundred posts previously made on these forums from people who lost a fight and want to lash out at their attackers. You are turning something that was business into something that was personal. Just because you are ****ed off, do not expect me to do the same.
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Posted - 2004.08.22 22:22:00 -
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I figured a flame would hit, but I did not expect it from this particular source...
So, Claren, you won't take this ****? Hmmm... well, let's take a look at your grievences, shall we?
Originally by: Claren
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.
There is only one flaw with your argument here, but it is a fatal one. You see, this wasn't a long term affair. It was not some long alliance war where we could afford to take a few weeks setting up the perfect ambush. We don't have time to screw around and wait at safe spots 90% of the time. If so, damn, our 10% out in the open was pretty damn impressive, I'd say!
One, two, five, nine... whatever was there. Unless EV/DVRN significantly outnumbered us, we went in. That was our job. If they chose to, your own people can confirm this was the case.
Quote:
And Quote:
At no point was Everlasting Vedetta able to conduct any sort of large scala corp activity typical for an organisation of their size
(quote from video)
What a load of bull! The miners just moved to another system and kept going as usuall while Raptor wing kept you buzzy in Ibura.
Did they? And where exactly were these large empire mining ops taking place? An alt corp maybe? Doubtful. They were not within EV proper, that I do know. Large-scale means exactly that, Claren, and at no point between 30 July and 13 August did Everlasting Vendetta conduct an empire mining op typical of a corp boasting 100+ active members. I'm talking the six, twelve or twenty person jobs that provide a big corp with the low ends to replace losses, not a couple alts sucking away on scordite in Amarr.
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In some occasions we even had half Raptor wing up in Deklain to help out with that war, while 4 of us kept you hiding at your safespots.
Four of your pilots kept us hiding at safe spots?
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But blaming USfor being unwilling to fight is just plain ridiculous. We where sitting outside station and at gates for houres and houres,
Umm... no. You weren't.
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we could see you had an equal or stronger force in system and was hoping you would to come and fight, but naaaaa. not as long as there was more then 3 of us ready to fight back.
So... now three of you kept us hiding in our safe spots?
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If anyone don't believe me, just look at the videos again.
What do you see? You see an overwelming number of Mercs attacking a few, or solo, EV pilots. In two occasions we see two equal forces on the vidoes, but we dont see any fighting in those clips, just a few seconds that shows the number of ships. Why is that Seleen, wouldn't those raging battles be good to show on video? Or is becourse you warped away as soon as we undocked more than 3 ships?
As has been stated more than once, the videos represent roughly 30% of the filmed footage. There was a good deal that was not filmed, in addition to lots of purple and orange boxes firing away at each other. Good for records, but not so much for movie presentation. You want another boring vid of boxes shooting at each other? Sorry, I don't do those anymore.
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As I said above, I understand why you fight the way you do, but for god sake don't brag about it. And don't call us cowards!!! We where there, having the most boring war in the history of EV.
Okay, at this point you've crossed the line. I never once, in this thread, in the video, in direct communication with your superiors or in local ever referred to you or your corp mates as cowards. I even made it a point in the video to comment on the fact that you were one of the few EV pilots we saw on a regular basis fighting the good fight. Now you are just making things up to lend credence to your version of events.
Go re-read my posts in this thread. Am I bragging? Are any of my pilots talking smack about EV? Are any of the Sharks going out of their way to put EV in a bad light? Hardly.
Claren, your entire post is based upon emotion. It could have been copied and pasted from any one of a hundred posts previously made on these forums from people who lost a fight and want to lash out at their attackers. You are turning something that was business into something that was personal. Just because you are ****ed off, do not expect me to do the same.
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Posted - 2004.08.22 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Claren
Anyone who was there must have choked on their coffee when reading lines like this:
Quote:
Did you know the little yellow arrows in the bottom left hand corner of the screen allow you to leave the station?
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.oint was Everlasting Vedetta able to conduct any sort of large scala corp activity typical for an organisation of their size
Claren hun, you are going to feel really silly right about now. You see, the comment you quoted from my post above is actually me poking fun at myself. It's a bit of an ongoing joke that I dont leave the station....EVER. My boys call me their "carebunny" in reference to my normally being quite similar in nature to a carebear. Even one of your own pilots warned you not to worry about me should I appear in local because "she never leaves the station" :)
The things I pointed out are things that *I* personally learned from the EV war and were said in jest and tongue in cheek. What can I say, I have a bit of a quirky sense of humor, it's a requirement to be a Shark.
I thought it would be quite obvious the tone with which I was posting when I quite clearly (and genuinely I might add) complimented Everlasting Vendetta and her loyal and dedicated pilots. I was not smacking my friend, I was merely having a laugh and pointing out how much I enjoyed ALL aspects of the two weeks we were at war with you guys.
Hopefully, now that I have clarified you can settle down a bit. Sharks are NOT smack talkers. We kept quiet in local and on forums and I would appreciate if you would rethink your statement in light of the new perspective and perhaps apologize for your steamy post. I certainly love it when things get HOT, but sweetheart, this isnt the context I normally like to get sweaty in.
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Posted - 2004.08.22 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Claren
Anyone who was there must have choked on their coffee when reading lines like this:
Quote:
Did you know the little yellow arrows in the bottom left hand corner of the screen allow you to leave the station?
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.oint was Everlasting Vedetta able to conduct any sort of large scala corp activity typical for an organisation of their size
Claren hun, you are going to feel really silly right about now. You see, the comment you quoted from my post above is actually me poking fun at myself. It's a bit of an ongoing joke that I dont leave the station....EVER. My boys call me their "carebunny" in reference to my normally being quite similar in nature to a carebear. Even one of your own pilots warned you not to worry about me should I appear in local because "she never leaves the station" :)
The things I pointed out are things that *I* personally learned from the EV war and were said in jest and tongue in cheek. What can I say, I have a bit of a quirky sense of humor, it's a requirement to be a Shark.
I thought it would be quite obvious the tone with which I was posting when I quite clearly (and genuinely I might add) complimented Everlasting Vendetta and her loyal and dedicated pilots. I was not smacking my friend, I was merely having a laugh and pointing out how much I enjoyed ALL aspects of the two weeks we were at war with you guys.
Hopefully, now that I have clarified you can settle down a bit. Sharks are NOT smack talkers. We kept quiet in local and on forums and I would appreciate if you would rethink your statement in light of the new perspective and perhaps apologize for your steamy post. I certainly love it when things get HOT, but sweetheart, this isnt the context I normally like to get sweaty in.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 00:21:00 -
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Brilliant vids, Seleene - should defo be put up for the user-made video thingy...
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.08.23 00:21:00 -
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Brilliant vids, Seleene - should defo be put up for the user-made video thingy...
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Lek'karion
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Posted - 2004.08.23 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Claren
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.
Hey bud, Seleene and Charity pretty much handled the rest of your post, but I thought I would add just one comment. Just in reference to this, since we spent 90% of our time just scanning the station waiting for ya'll to appear, that means in the 10% of our time we were fighting we destroyed 9 battleships, over a dozen cruisers and 50+ frigates/Inty and a couple of industrial ships. All and all, sounds pretty effective to me for 2 weeks of fighting.
You've been the only EV guy that came in here flaming the war and video, just take a deep breath, relax and calm down a wee bit. Afterall no sense in breaking a blood vessel over a game.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Claren
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots. The only time you showed up was when your neutral spys could confirm only one or two EV pilots was around, then you warp in with 8 ships and gank them.
Hey bud, Seleene and Charity pretty much handled the rest of your post, but I thought I would add just one comment. Just in reference to this, since we spent 90% of our time just scanning the station waiting for ya'll to appear, that means in the 10% of our time we were fighting we destroyed 9 battleships, over a dozen cruisers and 50+ frigates/Inty and a couple of industrial ships. All and all, sounds pretty effective to me for 2 weeks of fighting.
You've been the only EV guy that came in here flaming the war and video, just take a deep breath, relax and calm down a wee bit. Afterall no sense in breaking a blood vessel over a game.
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FREEDING FRENZY
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Posted - 2004.08.23 03:34:00 -
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Its true, I ADMIT IT, I speant 90% of the war at a safespot, raiding Charity's Panty collection....can you believe it, she's got a whole room dedicated to panties and their goodness...we had a panty party there a couple times..but I dont really wanna go into that too much, a bit too much steamy info for these boards.
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The Burninator
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Posted - 2004.08.23 03:34:00 -
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Its true, I ADMIT IT, I speant 90% of the war at a safespot, raiding Charity's Panty collection....can you believe it, she's got a whole room dedicated to panties and their goodness...we had a panty party there a couple times..but I dont really wanna go into that too much, a bit too much steamy info for these boards.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Claren
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots.
Even when Seleene and the others told me it was "safe" to come out I still had nightmares about the massive EV fleets trying to hunt me down. I hid in my safe spot until at least a week after the war was over then I had to wait another few days in a station for someone to bring me a fifth warp core stabilizer for my Raven.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Claren
This from a force who spent 90% of their time in Ibura hiding at safespots.
Even when Seleene and the others told me it was "safe" to come out I still had nightmares about the massive EV fleets trying to hunt me down. I hid in my safe spot until at least a week after the war was over then I had to wait another few days in a station for someone to bring me a fifth warp core stabilizer for my Raven.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I'm talking the six, twelve or twenty person jobs that provide a big corp with the low ends to replace losses, not a couple alts sucking away on scordite in Amarr.
I know I shouldn't say anything, but since Claren has already pointed it out, this is what happened. I can't agree with the statements said in the end of the last video, howerver I understand these videos are mainly for advertisement.
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Leegion
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I'm talking the six, twelve or twenty person jobs that provide a big corp with the low ends to replace losses, not a couple alts sucking away on scordite in Amarr.
I know I shouldn't say anything, but since Claren has already pointed it out, this is what happened. I can't agree with the statements said in the end of the last video, howerver I understand these videos are mainly for advertisement.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Erilynn on 23/08/2004 07:39:07
Originally by: Leegion
Originally by: Seleene
I'm talking the six, twelve or twenty person jobs that provide a big corp with the low ends to replace losses, not a couple alts sucking away on scordite in Amarr.
I know I shouldn't say anything, but since Claren has already pointed it out, this is what happened. I can't agree with the statements said in the end of the last video, howerver I understand these videos are mainly for advertisement.
What happened? The alt thing? Or are you actually trying to say that two dozen BDCI and Shark pilots missed a six to twenty person multi-hour empire mining op involving pilots with an EV corp ticker?
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Erilynn on 23/08/2004 07:39:07
Originally by: Leegion
Originally by: Seleene
I'm talking the six, twelve or twenty person jobs that provide a big corp with the low ends to replace losses, not a couple alts sucking away on scordite in Amarr.
I know I shouldn't say anything, but since Claren has already pointed it out, this is what happened. I can't agree with the statements said in the end of the last video, howerver I understand these videos are mainly for advertisement.
What happened? The alt thing? Or are you actually trying to say that two dozen BDCI and Shark pilots missed a six to twenty person multi-hour empire mining op involving pilots with an EV corp ticker?
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:41:00 -
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PvP is all about ganking, to be honest, so it's a bit silly to complain that corporation A can bring more willing pilots to the front than your own can.
Having said that, 9 BS and a couple of cruisers is hardly corp. destroying figures; EV have been through MUCH worse.
You haven't hit their mining too hard either, Seleene, simply because it's so so easy to use alts to haul minerals from the various cheap and smart buy orders but up around the regions.
Video was very nice but please don't fall into the trap of thinking such a short campaign acheived anything much in terms of destroying EV; Eve simply doesn't let you utterly destroy a corporation.
Which is a bad thing 
That's part of the reason why I'm considering my subscription renewal - what's the point of PVP if losses are so easily recovered, avoiding PVP is so easy, and alts can continue the work of existing members with barely a hiccup to functionality.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:41:00 -
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PvP is all about ganking, to be honest, so it's a bit silly to complain that corporation A can bring more willing pilots to the front than your own can.
Having said that, 9 BS and a couple of cruisers is hardly corp. destroying figures; EV have been through MUCH worse.
You haven't hit their mining too hard either, Seleene, simply because it's so so easy to use alts to haul minerals from the various cheap and smart buy orders but up around the regions.
Video was very nice but please don't fall into the trap of thinking such a short campaign acheived anything much in terms of destroying EV; Eve simply doesn't let you utterly destroy a corporation.
Which is a bad thing
That's part of the reason why I'm considering my subscription renewal - what's the point of PVP if losses are so easily recovered, avoiding PVP is so easy, and alts can continue the work of existing members with barely a hiccup to functionality.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:57:00 -
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A couple quick notes:
1.) Another giant THANK YOU to everyone who has made positive comments on the movies. It is very inspiring to see how many people appreciate something you have done and I only hope I can keep up the same level of quality with whatever comes next.
2.) With regard to the back and forth of the last few posts with some of the EV members: with respect, stop. The war is over. Claiming that something did or did not happen after the fact is pointless. I do not set out to mislead people and every time anyone has asked me a question I've answered it as directly as possible. I'm not given to half-supported statements or nebulous references of events I think might have taken place. In short, before starting a flame war here, and as I said in my original post, if you have an issue with something in the video or a statement made by me on these forums I would be more than happy to discuss it in game. I'm also available on MSN most nights.
3.) I don't make these vids specifically as an advertisement. I make them because they are fun. I make them so that in ten years I can look back and remember I was part of something very cool. My next project though will be an advertisement video.
Thanks again to the community for your continued support.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 07:57:00 -
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A couple quick notes:
1.) Another giant THANK YOU to everyone who has made positive comments on the movies. It is very inspiring to see how many people appreciate something you have done and I only hope I can keep up the same level of quality with whatever comes next.
2.) With regard to the back and forth of the last few posts with some of the EV members: with respect, stop. The war is over. Claiming that something did or did not happen after the fact is pointless. I do not set out to mislead people and every time anyone has asked me a question I've answered it as directly as possible. I'm not given to half-supported statements or nebulous references of events I think might have taken place. In short, before starting a flame war here, and as I said in my original post, if you have an issue with something in the video or a statement made by me on these forums I would be more than happy to discuss it in game. I'm also available on MSN most nights.
3.) I don't make these vids specifically as an advertisement. I make them because they are fun. I make them so that in ten years I can look back and remember I was part of something very cool. My next project though will be an advertisement video.
Thanks again to the community for your continued support.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 09:00:14
Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 08:12:26
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
PvP is all about ganking, to be honest, so it's a bit silly to complain that corporation A can bring more willing pilots to the front than your own can.
Having said that, 9 BS and a couple of cruisers is hardly corp. destroying figures; EV have been through MUCH worse.
You haven't hit their mining too hard either, Seleene, simply because it's so so easy to use alts to haul minerals from the various cheap and smart buy orders but up around the regions.
Video was very nice but please don't fall into the trap of thinking such a short campaign acheived anything much in terms of destroying EV; Eve simply doesn't let you utterly destroy a corporation.
Which is a bad thing
That's part of the reason why I'm considering my subscription renewal - what's the point of PVP if losses are so easily recovered, avoiding PVP is so easy, and alts can continue the work of existing members with barely a hiccup to functionality.
Josh, I don't disagree with a single point you have made here. The alt issue is a very frustrating one to say the least and proper prior planning can negate almost any amount of hardship. It is amazing, however, how many corps don't even think about such things and can be crippled by such a short campaign.
The problem is a double-edged sword though. If CCP made it possible to completely obliterate an enemy corp, you'd have people cancelling their subscriptions left and right. One hundred percent, three month insurance is a real *****, no two ways about it.
Had EV, or any corp like them, suffered the loss ratios we inflicted and not been able collect that insurance money, it's not unlikely that we could have had a much larger long term effect that the game currently allows us to achieve. PvP in EVE right now is all about shattering morale and, for lack of a better term, a matter of perception.
Obviously had the goal been a true crippling of EV, the process would have been much more involved and devious. There were several things going in with regard to the EV contract and our client was pleased with the outcome. That's really all that matters to us.
EDIT: Miso just opened a great thread on this in the General Forums. Linkage
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Posted - 2004.08.23 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 09:00:14
Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 08:12:26
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
PvP is all about ganking, to be honest, so it's a bit silly to complain that corporation A can bring more willing pilots to the front than your own can.
Having said that, 9 BS and a couple of cruisers is hardly corp. destroying figures; EV have been through MUCH worse.
You haven't hit their mining too hard either, Seleene, simply because it's so so easy to use alts to haul minerals from the various cheap and smart buy orders but up around the regions.
Video was very nice but please don't fall into the trap of thinking such a short campaign acheived anything much in terms of destroying EV; Eve simply doesn't let you utterly destroy a corporation.
Which is a bad thing
That's part of the reason why I'm considering my subscription renewal - what's the point of PVP if losses are so easily recovered, avoiding PVP is so easy, and alts can continue the work of existing members with barely a hiccup to functionality.
Josh, I don't disagree with a single point you have made here. The alt issue is a very frustrating one to say the least and proper prior planning can negate almost any amount of hardship. It is amazing, however, how many corps don't even think about such things and can be crippled by such a short campaign.
The problem is a double-edged sword though. If CCP made it possible to completely obliterate an enemy corp, you'd have people cancelling their subscriptions left and right. One hundred percent, three month insurance is a real *****, no two ways about it.
Had EV, or any corp like them, suffered the loss ratios we inflicted and not been able collect that insurance money, it's not unlikely that we could have had a much larger long term effect that the game currently allows us to achieve. PvP in EVE right now is all about shattering morale and, for lack of a better term, a matter of perception.
Obviously had the goal been a true crippling of EV, the process would have been much more involved and devious. There were several things going in with regard to the EV contract and our client was pleased with the outcome. That's really all that matters to us.
EDIT: Miso just opened a great thread on this in the General Forums. Linkage
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 11:27:37
EDIT... okay, that was strange. Drax made a post and then it vanished...
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 11:27:37
EDIT... okay, that was strange. Drax made a post and then it vanished...
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Edited by: Latex Mistress on 23/08/2004 11:41:21
Edited by: Latex Mistress on 23/08/2004 11:37:40
[EDIT:]Seleene said shut it, and I will...
[EDIT2:]Reluctantly...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Latex Mistress on 23/08/2004 11:41:21
Edited by: Latex Mistress on 23/08/2004 11:37:40
[EDIT:]Seleene said shut it, and I will...
[EDIT2:]Reluctantly...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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CoolSprog
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:25:00 -
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The guy hiding under concord nearly made me spit my drink everywhere!
Obviously not up with current events
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CoolSprog
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:25:00 -
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The guy hiding under concord nearly made me spit my drink everywhere!
Obviously not up with current events
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meafy
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Posted - 2004.08.23 13:27:00 -
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Flaming stops here EV pilots please remember corp policy.
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meafy
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Posted - 2004.08.23 13:27:00 -
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Flaming stops here EV pilots please remember corp policy.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.08.23 16:59:00 -
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Quote:
I decided to place the emphasis on story above all else this time. I tried some new things and used a lot of elements that I hope everyone can enjoy. All in all, this has been a tiring, but fulfilling project.
Hmmmm, well it is a step in the right direction but as for story... not really much behind it is there.
We had some text about the contract, the participants and then some fleet waving and a bit of ganking. I'm very much afraid that it sums it up.
You probably spent lots of time on it and want to move it in the right direction with added stories. Good on you, afraid I'll have to give this one a on the scale of 
/Movie critique
Looks more like advertising than storyline to be honest.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 16:59:00 -
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Quote:
I decided to place the emphasis on story above all else this time. I tried some new things and used a lot of elements that I hope everyone can enjoy. All in all, this has been a tiring, but fulfilling project.
Hmmmm, well it is a step in the right direction but as for story... not really much behind it is there.
We had some text about the contract, the participants and then some fleet waving and a bit of ganking. I'm very much afraid that it sums it up.
You probably spent lots of time on it and want to move it in the right direction with added stories. Good on you, afraid I'll have to give this one a on the scale of
/Movie critique
Looks more like advertising than storyline to be honest.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Quote:
I decided to place the emphasis on story above all else this time. I tried some new things and used a lot of elements that I hope everyone can enjoy. All in all, this has been a tiring, but fulfilling project.
Hmmmm, well it is a step in the right direction but as for story... not really much behind it is there.
We had some text about the contract, the participants and then some fleet waving and a bit of ganking. I'm very much afraid that it sums it up.
You probably spent lots of time on it and want to move it in the right direction with added stories. Good on you, afraid I'll have to give this one a on the scale of
/Movie critique
Well, I guess you can't please everyone.
Seeing as how I've gotten mostly "" in this thread, I think my ego can handle it.
Originally by: Riddari
Looks more like advertising than storyline to be honest.
Not at all. I just made it because I think making movies is fun and I like sharing my experiences with the EVE community as many others have done. My next project will be an advertisment though and maybe I can get a out of you next time.
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Posted - 2004.08.23 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Quote:
I decided to place the emphasis on story above all else this time. I tried some new things and used a lot of elements that I hope everyone can enjoy. All in all, this has been a tiring, but fulfilling project.
Hmmmm, well it is a step in the right direction but as for story... not really much behind it is there.
We had some text about the contract, the participants and then some fleet waving and a bit of ganking. I'm very much afraid that it sums it up.
You probably spent lots of time on it and want to move it in the right direction with added stories. Good on you, afraid I'll have to give this one a on the scale of
/Movie critique
Well, I guess you can't please everyone.
Seeing as how I've gotten mostly "" in this thread, I think my ego can handle it.
Originally by: Riddari
Looks more like advertising than storyline to be honest.
Not at all. I just made it because I think making movies is fun and I like sharing my experiences with the EVE community as many others have done. My next project will be an advertisment though and maybe I can get a out of you next time.
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.08.23 19:11:00 -
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Well said,if ya dont like stfu :-)
w00t!
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zincol
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Well said,if ya dont like stfu :-)
w00t!
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fuze
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Posted - 2004.08.23 23:52:00 -
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Seleene
You can make excellent vids but I have to admit that leafo from PA toppled you from my 1st spot in the ranking list. Ah well 2nd place isn't that bad either. :)
Good luck with making more vids
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Posted - 2004.08.23 23:52:00 -
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Seleene
You can make excellent vids but I have to admit that leafo from PA toppled you from my 1st spot in the ranking list. Ah well 2nd place isn't that bad either. :)
Good luck with making more vids
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Posted - 2004.08.24 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Seleene
You can make excellent vids but I have to admit that leafo from PA toppled you from my 1st spot in the ranking list. Ah well 2nd place isn't that bad either. :)
Good luck with making more vids
Fuze, thanks, and if I'm second place to Leafo in your book then that's a compliment all in itself because... well, Leafo rules.
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Posted - 2004.08.24 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Seleene
You can make excellent vids but I have to admit that leafo from PA toppled you from my 1st spot in the ranking list. Ah well 2nd place isn't that bad either. :)
Good luck with making more vids
Fuze, thanks, and if I'm second place to Leafo in your book then that's a compliment all in itself because... well, Leafo rules.
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
We had some text about the contract, the participants and then some fleet waving and a bit of ganking. I'm very much afraid that it sums it up.
Heh... if you say so. Like a lot of others I'm a EVE vid junkie and I don't think anyone other than maybe Leafo could keep me watching over fifteen minutes of "ganking". I found the cut away sequences to be a nice and original way of moving the story along. At the least it gave the whole thing a feel of progression lacking in many other productions. I thought the scrolling of the kill list during the Scorpion kill was comedy gold and this is one of the few times while watching a video I've actually been on the egde of my seat thinking, "What's gonna happen now?!" Did everyone realize that the second movie is over ten minutes long?? Sure doesn't feel like it!
A few people have flamed the number of ships shown killing targets in the videos and I don't get that. If anything time and time again the videos show a good level of teamwork between the two merc corps against their target. Since when is it not desireable to thoroughly DOMINATE an enemy?
Between these two vids and Leafo's new "Phoenix" movie, I'm in EVE-video heaven this week.
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
We had some text about the contract, the participants and then some fleet waving and a bit of ganking. I'm very much afraid that it sums it up.
Heh... if you say so. Like a lot of others I'm a EVE vid junkie and I don't think anyone other than maybe Leafo could keep me watching over fifteen minutes of "ganking". I found the cut away sequences to be a nice and original way of moving the story along. At the least it gave the whole thing a feel of progression lacking in many other productions. I thought the scrolling of the kill list during the Scorpion kill was comedy gold and this is one of the few times while watching a video I've actually been on the egde of my seat thinking, "What's gonna happen now?!" Did everyone realize that the second movie is over ten minutes long?? Sure doesn't feel like it!
A few people have flamed the number of ships shown killing targets in the videos and I don't get that. If anything time and time again the videos show a good level of teamwork between the two merc corps against their target. Since when is it not desireable to thoroughly DOMINATE an enemy?
Between these two vids and Leafo's new "Phoenix" movie, I'm in EVE-video heaven this week.
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Purvy
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:33:00 -
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Well Seleene after watching the video twice my wife finally decided to give EVE a try, i doubt she will stick with it but hey its a start right.
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Purvy
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:33:00 -
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Well Seleene after watching the video twice my wife finally decided to give EVE a try, i doubt she will stick with it but hey its a start right.
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Oxotnik
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Posted - 2004.08.24 18:39:00 -
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I love it and dont care who owned whom
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Oxotnik
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Posted - 2004.08.24 18:39:00 -
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I love it and dont care who owned whom
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.24 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 24/08/2004 18:43:54
Originally by: Oxotnik
I love it and dont care who owned whom
Oxotnik is now officially one of my favorite people!
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Posted - 2004.08.24 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 24/08/2004 18:43:54
Originally by: Oxotnik
I love it and dont care who owned whom
Oxotnik is now officially one of my favorite people!
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Originally by: Oxotnik
I love it and dont care who owned whom
Best. Review. Ever.
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Posted - 2004.08.25 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Oxotnik
I love it and dont care who owned whom
Best. Review. Ever.
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