I have to say, yea it would be interesting to see command ships on field, but the pos deal, usualy gives the defenders of a system the advantage to have links active while safe, but the ppl who are invading would have to bring their command ships in and use safes. so I don't think that's really that bad.. so I think off grid boosting can go which ever way for pvp, now for ndustry.. if they nerf it where a rorqual has to be on grid, I will sell it, right away... because without bonus's its basically a 3-4 Billion isk JF with a smaller cargo hold. more if fully fitted and it dies rather easily to most null sec small gang roams. even with a capital tank, it can't take much. and if the siege module is active to get the bonus to links. you might aswell self destruct it when you activate the industrial core. I spent a good amount of time on my industrial alt to get perfect boosting and the ability to fly a rorqual.

Nerf off grid boosting for that ship and the alt goes up for sale too (with mindlink).

Yup theres way too many scenarios where the changes a small but vocal minority are clamoring for will break functionality.

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Requiring them to be on grid will only help the larger of the fleets in any engagement and destroy solo or small gang work. Basically itd kill multiboxing as well as any gangs that arent running logis entirely.

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I know all about the combat scanner probes, I use them and I know how to avoid them. I can get a ship scanned down in rapid order, and know the best way to counter the combat scanner is if you are running a defensive thing, I have 20 safespots set up and park cheap ships at them making a whole pile of deadspaces with ships. Setting my dscan right I know whether it is my site, or other the other locations being scanned.

I also know that I can at a POS all warm and fuzzy where they wouldn't be able to get me, unless a fleetfight wants to occur at the pos. And that is the problem.

Something for nothing and your tank for free. It can be done, but really any half arsed commship pilot can avoid it without difficulty. I am not nor have I ever said that they cannot be countered. The issue is I know how they work, and I know how effective and the power of the booster ships for in reality no risk. I think it is a pathetic sissy way of play which is why I fly mine into combat. Or do you think that sitting at a pos in null is an example of leet play worthy of a Pvp game?

Too bad all the command ships except for the Damnation sucks.

The Damnation is good because it has double tank bonus which allows it to survive and give boosts to the field.

The Eos is a joke with the least useful leadership bonus, armor repair bonus, hybrid damage bonus with only 5 turrets, and extra drone space bonus. This is the worst ship I have ever seen. The bonuses are poorly thought out on top of the fact that information warfare is not very useful compared to other warfare types.

The claymore has tracking speed, turret bonus, and shield booster bonus. - What a useless combination to have for a FLEET command ship.

The vulture is lulz worthy it has not one but TWO optimal range bonuses for 5 unbonused crappy hybrid turrets and only 1 shield resist bonus. What is this a killmail whoring ship?

I think that if you're bringing and fleet booster, you and your fellows have the capacity to defend him, like PoS owners, they should be prepared and well armed to defeat any attacker aiming for a PoS, if you can't, then the PoS or fleet booster should be as good as dead. This is what should be important in an engagement with on-grid boosting.

I would be interested to see what happens to a (brick-fit) command ship when it has 200 sets of 1400mm artillery trained on it with coordinated F1 pressing.

Can someone with EFT warrior ability tell me if it'll survive? Pick your favorite command ship.

If my research is correct will an artillery maelstrom fit be able to pick a 200 sig Tech 3 ship at 300 km away, considering grids in blob battles can go up to the thousands, no one is going to bother reaching a ship a thousand kilometers away from the battle.

Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.

But that would be too smart to do, keep quiet around these forums ok?

Am I the only one that doesn't really care about this, because he is on-grid anyway?

If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it.

I'm going to throw another point in there I've not seen yet.

For me, I don't really have an issue with off-grid boosting as such - I don't actually feel that's the heart of the problem. The issue for me is the number of people a single person can boost.

I think that boosting could be used to help smaller fleets / make blobs logistically a little harder and encourage small scale warfare a bit more.

Simple quick example: A fleet booster can only boost up to X number of people before the boosts start diminishing. 20 or so should do it.

This would have the upshot of smaller fleets getting a bit of an edge against blobs and actively encourage engagement of them, while huge fleets would have to be split up for maximum boosts. This means the usual issues kick in: People quiting / disconnecting / harder to warp to people not in the same fleet / more chance for spys who can turn the links off mid battle / more boosting ships needed and so on......

So for me, use any changes as a way of boosting small scale engagements / diversity in fleets.

I guess there's no need to worry about training fleet command V then.

Of course there is. Diminishing returns with higher numbers doesn't mean no benefit at all.

Besides, there are going to be times that having a large fleet (thus, FC V being needed) is logistically needed more than boosts. I don't really see the issue with having to choose a big fleet and reduced boosts, or multiple fleets each with their own booster for maximum gain - which has a few logistical constraints. It's my entire point really.