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That's what they all say.

I am a command ship pilot, and I want to know. Cannot be too soon.

they said they want boosters on grid

no timeframe or eta was given

If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it.

Hurray! Can I have your stuffz then since I would actually use it?

I laugh everytime whiney players can't cope with someone meta-gaming better then them, as to deal with an offgrid booster you either catch it before hand or GTFO of the system the boster ship is in; or just bring your own command booster and now its like either side didn't have one (both get buffed up, both are practicly equal!). Really, its that simple as those idiots that say a hullk pilot needs to put a tank on the ship...deal with it yourself and get out of the problem you are facing. Game breaking unfairness...remember nothing is unfair in EVE until you whine about it .

Hello faceless one, your words do not exist because you have no face!

If you did however, I would say it needs to go because anything being done without user imput, risk or challenge is lame. It isn't anything at all to do with the "boster" itself. Plain and simple, sitting in/at a pos boosting is pathetic. U-mad because your dumb freebits afk boosting alt going to become useless and you spent so much into a triple co-pro loki with no offgrid?

This is eve, show up or GTFO. Not in combat is not doing anything therefore should not apply anything.

I never said it was unfair. I can easily sit offgrid, in safespots you name it in my command ship, but I am not a ****ing ***** and lay down my ship. Anything that lets people do stuff in high risk space with no/low risk shouldn't exist. Maybe we should just go whatever and have the ability to use ganglinks while cloaked.

They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help.

There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan.

Hope this helps.

I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat.

I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat.

They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help.

There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan.

Hope this helps.

I know all about the combat scanner probes, I use them and I know how to avoid them. I can get a ship scanned down in rapid order, and know the best way to counter the combat scanner is if you are running a defensive thing, I have 20 safespots set up and park cheap ships at them making a whole pile of deadspaces with ships. Setting my dscan right I know whether it is my site, or other the other locations being scanned.

I also know that I can at a POS all warm and fuzzy where they wouldn't be able to get me, unless a fleetfight wants to occur at the pos. And that is the problem.

Something for nothing and your tank for free. It can be done, but really any half arsed commship pilot can avoid it without difficulty. I am not nor have I ever said that they cannot be countered. The issue is I know how they work, and I know how effective and the power of the booster ships for in reality no risk. I think it is a pathetic sissy way of play which is why I fly mine into combat. Or do you think that sitting at a pos in null is an example of leet play worthy of a Pvp game?

I have too agree 100% for pvp type combat, every piece of the war machine should be on the battlefield. But what about solo pve in a WH or boosting mission running newbs with low SP, I don't think the rats care if there is an off grid booster.

I like my booster toon but don't want to babysit it while on grid in any combat environment, removing off grid boosting would in effect take me out of the boosting business as I would rather pew than boost.

Honestly if they'd just swap the bonus between strat cruisers and command ships 90% of the problem would be solved. Then you'd actually have an incentive to use a command ship (which might as well be on grid since it's trivial to scan one down.)

Of course one thing such a change would result in would be a lot more Rorqual's dying.

BTW do you know why strat cruisers are used as off grid boosters rather than in combat? Because a strat cruiser that's fit for boosting is pretty much useless in combat and implodes the second anyone looks at them crosswise.

I have too agree 100% for pvp type combat, every piece of the war machine should be on the battlefield. But what about solo pve in a WH or boosting mission running newbs with low SP, I don't think the rats care if there is an off grid booster.

I like my booster toon but don't want to babysit it while on grid in any combat environment, removing off grid boosting would in effect take me out of the boosting business as I would rather pew than boost.

I agree that the Command Ship/Tech 3 command boost bonus need to be swapped or adjusted.

As far as a strat cruiser exploding if fit to boost, well you might need to make some compromises in it's boosting effectivenes to ensure survivability... and just because you would need to be on grid does NOT mean that you have to sit within range of your opponents guns.

I dont wanna subject myself to the mental anguish of listening to that video... is there any timestamp in it to find the info? lol

They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help.

There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan.

Hope this helps.

As a CS pilot myself I welcome this change, provided they boost them for use on-grid. Cheers!

Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.

You can use the links for more than a Tengu, you can use the Tengu for a lot more than link boosting.

Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt.

Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.

Zomg!! then my orca or roq might get shot at... Woah be to me as I might have to move it or change my tactics...

Heaven forbid.

HTFU

Good news: you'll still have an awesome booster alt.

GǪoh, and the time required to train up such an alt is quite a lot less than the time required to get the same character into a command ship, which is the training route he should have had to take.

Also, it takes less than a year to train every last leadership skill to V, so that alt must have been using a pretty awful skill plan if it took that long.

Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.

i am glad everyone has so much time to wait around for things.

Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt. All im hearing is jealousy from those that are too lazy to train one themselves. Just like people that whined about capitals when they were first introduced. Your jealous because you don't have one so you cry nerf. CCP don't listen to these rtards.

not sure why it's so important to them to want the command booster on grid.. when the command ships cannot be cloaked and as is they are rather easy to scan down. Nerfing boosters is going to make Rorq fleet boosting a thing of the past.. no one is going to take a rorq into a belt for the boost.

I think they should rethink this idea on the whole.

I didn't ask if you were immortal, I asked if you were terminal. It's the only reason I can think of that you wont make it a couple of months it takes to train leadership. Either that or you are part of this family.

I dont understand why people are whining about this change, its damn near necissary for game balancement, and its not that much of an issue anyway; you fit a t3 to be super fast and boost on grid..

People seem to forget that "the grid" is 250km...

For that, well I agree. The belts make it too lol to kill a rorq or an orca for their value. But hopefully if the scanning style industry comes into play, then it will be alot less of an issue since it would take some time to actually find and scan down the ship. Any attentive fleet could easily get away. Drawback of course is that dang industrial core. I know enemy is coming, but I already paid the fuel, damn well am going to use it!

Edit, and make it capable of boosting, even a reduced boosting not deployed maybe.

Hello faceless one, your words do not exist because you have no face!

If you did however, I would say it needs to go because anything being done without user imput, risk or challenge is lame. It isn't anything at all to do with the "boster" itself. Plain and simple, sitting in/at a pos boosting is pathetic. U-mad because your dumb freebits afk boosting alt going to become useless and you spent so much into a triple co-pro loki with no offgrid?

This is eve, show up or GTFO. Not in combat is not doing anything therefore should not apply anything.

I never said it was unfair. I can easily sit offgrid, in safespots you name it in my command ship, but I am not a ****ing ***** and lay down my ship. Anything that lets people do stuff in high risk space with no/low risk shouldn't exist. Maybe we should just go whatever and have the ability to use ganglinks while cloaked.

So hath Butthurt spoken, so hath it been heard. For only the Butthurt declare they risk something when they hath lost to some guy meta-gaming better then him and declare the other guy a coward...but this is a video game with consequences not fair rules.

Cause in Soviet EVE, loser is you...anything done to win equates to a win and the loser whines the hardest or loudest. There is no rule to risk or fair combat...its just the loser feeling like he got chumped and whining its not fair. Whiners moan the loudest, but try...it still means nothing except to the losers feeling like they got crushed. Next thing you know, when a miner whines his Hulk can't hold out you will tell him to fit tank mods...that is when you relize you can do better yourself when it comes to command links without CCP intervening everytime some player beats your ass in a game with no rules of combat.

They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help.

There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan.

Hope this helps.

Will this gang bonus nerf effect Orca's also? cause if so there goes the use or Rorquals and Orca's to provide boosts to miners. thought they were trying to refocus stuff on mining, not nerf it.
WH miners will loose 20% per hour income now also.



As well as small gang war fare gangs. Im more annoyed by the hit at small gang war fare and pushing people to be a part of blob fleets... no thanks.

There is no nerf inbound.

Otherwise a solid post.

Off grid boosters make it easier for a smaller gang to successfully engage a large blob of idiots. Nerfing off grid boosters nerfs small gangs and buffs blobs that can protect their booster while camping a gate. Its like the nano nerf all over again.

I think it's in there somewhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VcnkUaUCPA

If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it.

Anyone have a link to where CCP announced that the of grid bonuses will no longer work? Got a friend skilling into command ships that wants to know about it

I think boosters are fine as they are - off grid.
If people spend a lot of time, effort and isk into it, and beat you with the meta gaming, that's fine. That's the game. Otherwise we might as well remove all ships and just keep the Rookie ones and fight it out with civilian railguns. If you don't want any advantages or disadvantages, I reckon rookie ships would be the fairest and most equal in their kind. (oh no nerf the velator it has a dronebay!)

No. Someone just beat you doing their homework on meta-gaming. Just deal with it - or start doing your own work.

I have to say, yea it would be interesting to see command ships on field, but the pos deal, usualy gives the defenders of a system the advantage to have links active while safe, but the ppl who are invading would have to bring their command ships in and use safes. so I don't think that's really that bad.. so I think off grid boosting can go which ever way for pvp, now for ndustry.. if they nerf it where a rorqual has to be on grid, I will sell it, right away... because without bonus's its basically a 3-4 Billion isk JF with a smaller cargo hold. more if fully fitted and it dies rather easily to most null sec small gang roams. even with a capital tank, it can't take much. and if the siege module is active to get the bonus to links. you might aswell self destruct it when you activate the industrial core. I spent a good amount of time on my industrial alt to get perfect boosting and the ability to fly a rorqual.

Nerf off grid boosting for that ship and the alt goes up for sale too (with mindlink).

Yup theres way too many scenarios where the changes a small but vocal minority are clamoring for will break functionality.

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Requiring them to be on grid will only help the larger of the fleets in any engagement and destroy solo or small gang work. Basically itd kill multiboxing as well as any gangs that arent running logis entirely.

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I know all about the combat scanner probes, I use them and I know how to avoid them. I can get a ship scanned down in rapid order, and know the best way to counter the combat scanner is if you are running a defensive thing, I have 20 safespots set up and park cheap ships at them making a whole pile of deadspaces with ships. Setting my dscan right I know whether it is my site, or other the other locations being scanned.

I also know that I can at a POS all warm and fuzzy where they wouldn't be able to get me, unless a fleetfight wants to occur at the pos. And that is the problem.

Something for nothing and your tank for free. It can be done, but really any half arsed commship pilot can avoid it without difficulty. I am not nor have I ever said that they cannot be countered. The issue is I know how they work, and I know how effective and the power of the booster ships for in reality no risk. I think it is a pathetic sissy way of play which is why I fly mine into combat. Or do you think that sitting at a pos in null is an example of leet play worthy of a Pvp game?

Too bad all the command ships except for the Damnation sucks.

The Damnation is good because it has double tank bonus which allows it to survive and give boosts to the field.

The Eos is a joke with the least useful leadership bonus, armor repair bonus, hybrid damage bonus with only 5 turrets, and extra drone space bonus. This is the worst ship I have ever seen. The bonuses are poorly thought out on top of the fact that information warfare is not very useful compared to other warfare types.

The claymore has tracking speed, turret bonus, and shield booster bonus. - What a useless combination to have for a FLEET command ship.

The vulture is lulz worthy it has not one but TWO optimal range bonuses for 5 unbonused crappy hybrid turrets and only 1 shield resist bonus. What is this a killmail whoring ship?

I think that if you're bringing and fleet booster, you and your fellows have the capacity to defend him, like PoS owners, they should be prepared and well armed to defeat any attacker aiming for a PoS, if you can't, then the PoS or fleet booster should be as good as dead. This is what should be important in an engagement with on-grid boosting.

I would be interested to see what happens to a (brick-fit) command ship when it has 200 sets of 1400mm artillery trained on it with coordinated F1 pressing.

Can someone with EFT warrior ability tell me if it'll survive? Pick your favorite command ship.

If my research is correct will an artillery maelstrom fit be able to pick a 200 sig Tech 3 ship at 300 km away, considering grids in blob battles can go up to the thousands, no one is going to bother reaching a ship a thousand kilometers away from the battle.

Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.

But that would be too smart to do, keep quiet around these forums ok?

Am I the only one that doesn't really care about this, because he is on-grid anyway?

If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it.

I'm going to throw another point in there I've not seen yet.

For me, I don't really have an issue with off-grid boosting as such - I don't actually feel that's the heart of the problem. The issue for me is the number of people a single person can boost.

I think that boosting could be used to help smaller fleets / make blobs logistically a little harder and encourage small scale warfare a bit more.

Simple quick example: A fleet booster can only boost up to X number of people before the boosts start diminishing. 20 or so should do it.

This would have the upshot of smaller fleets getting a bit of an edge against blobs and actively encourage engagement of them, while huge fleets would have to be split up for maximum boosts. This means the usual issues kick in: People quiting / disconnecting / harder to warp to people not in the same fleet / more chance for spys who can turn the links off mid battle / more boosting ships needed and so on......

So for me, use any changes as a way of boosting small scale engagements / diversity in fleets.

I guess there's no need to worry about training fleet command V then.

Of course there is. Diminishing returns with higher numbers doesn't mean no benefit at all.

Besides, there are going to be times that having a large fleet (thus, FC V being needed) is logistically needed more than boosts. I don't really see the issue with having to choose a big fleet and reduced boosts, or multiple fleets each with their own booster for maximum gain - which has a few logistical constraints. It's my entire point really.