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Zane Kaiser
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:18:00 -
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Get rid of all the NPC Concord forces and replace them with players. Players who join the CONCORD force get a certain rank and are rewarded either ISK or loyalty points based on how many criminals they apprehend.
There will be little problem with abuse since you still can only shoot flagged players, and this will give gankers a fighting chance. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
312
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:20:00 -
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Zane Kaiser wrote: give gankers a fighting chance.
HHHahahaha. |
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:21:00 -
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I just posted this in another thread:
1. Eliminate Concord
2. Replace CONCORD with player based poilce force / faction police for specific region.
3. Criminals that are tagged with a -3.0 or worse can be hunted down by faction police, within their jurisdiction (regional).
4. Create a new skill for Faction Policing, where higher level unlocks Border Patrol skill that allows for jurisdiction to cross over into next jurisdiction by +1 jump per level. Have an even more advanced skill that allows for tru Bounty Hunting, extending jurisdiction to an entire Empire.
This system would create more opportunities for PVP. It would create a safer environment for miners, because a would be ganker would now have to worry more about getting podded by a player, and not an NPC. NPC kills don't register on the kill boards, these kills would.
CCP could even test this system out on a limited basis. They could start it out in the Starter areas, and then expand it from there.
The major trade hub systems (ie. Jita, Rens, etc.) could then remain under CONCORD control, and all PVP in those systems would be prohibited. No more Corporate offices or HQ's in those systems either. No mining, POSs, or PI. Nothing but safe access to trade hubs.
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Gil Roland
Roma Aeterna
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:38:00 -
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/signed |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:42:00 -
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Suddenly, police state.
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
267
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:44:00 -
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What would stop players from abusing their power?
What if alts of the criminals exist in the police force?
How could security be maintained if these players are killable?
Wouldn't criminals be able to have an easier time evading limited humans rather than invincible bots?
Any player controlled police force would just result in the accidental creation of another lowsec. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
313
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:48:00 -
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Player Concord ships with jump drives, a GCC event creates a concord cyno that Concord player ships can jump to as quickly as they notice it.
Even Less time to gank as long as you have a player force awake and active within the sector. |
MeestaPenni
Deadman W0nderland
The 99 Percent
239
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:55:00 -
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And a cute little jail down on the town square where the town drunk can sleep off his latest bender.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
61
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:08:00 -
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No. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:15:00 -
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Be a lot of CONCORD player cops on the take soon after implementation if they did this.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
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Shivus Tao
Broski North
Black Legion.
291
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:21:00 -
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I am in favor, only if consumable donuts are added that give us concord bonuses for 30 minutes or the duration of one ship chase. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:26:00 -
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Small government please
Ferox #1 |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:52:00 -
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Itd be at least good is they made iy so that your buddies cant kill you to get your bounty.
Like you have to have a positive 4 (there was no reason for this number, I hit it randomly)sec status to collect bounties or something
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
141
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:27:00 -
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They gave us CSM, we got The Mittani.
You really want Player Concord?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:29:00 -
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Ioci wrote:They gave us CSM, we got The Mittani.
You really want Player Concord?
I do. Power to the (capitalist) people.
Ferox #1 |
Be4st
CASCADE OF SPECTRES
Comic Mischief
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:32:00 -
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I would love this idea. I thought it was possible the first day I played this game but was disappointed to find out that it was all NPC's. The problem with this idea is like what another player pointed out, you would have issues of corrupt CONCORD players. Its all a bit like RL. You could just implement a Internal Affairs Division that chases up these accusations of corrupt players from the miners that say "He was sat there in my belt and let this all happen. Then he typed "LOL!! PWND!! in local!"
There is another problem though. CONCORD has its invincibility. Do you really want a player that has that? It would get abused at times of war.
I reckon if this got implemented, it would have to go to a panel of CCP and GM's to decide who gets this power and delegates a few people to run checks on applicants. You will need a complete and utter carebear to run it all or it will go to hell. Only a carebear cares about carebears. The PvP'ers do not see them that way, Remember... Carebears are not people, they are giant, flying, pinata's. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
13
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:34:00 -
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Ioci wrote:They gave us CSM, we got The Mittani.
You really want Player Concord?
not empty quoting. |
Lola Humpsalot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:37:00 -
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Bluddwolf wrote:The major trade hub systems (ie. Jita, Rens, etc.) could then remain under CONCORD control, and all PVP in those systems would be prohibited. No more Corporate offices or HQ's in those systems either. No mining, POSs, or PI. Nothing but safe access to trade hubs.
You lost something during the campain didn't you... more please... |
Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
661
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:37:00 -
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Zane Kaiser wrote:Get rid of all the NPC Concord forces and replace them with players. Players who join the CONCORD force get a certain rank and are rewarded either ISK or loyalty points based on how many criminals they apprehend.
There will be little problem with abuse since you still can only shoot flagged players, and this will give gankers a fighting chance.
A player-run police force would be A) prone to corruption, and B) Horrendously ineffective.
CONCORD is online 24/7, they don't sleep, they don't take bribes and they never have to have a coffee (or other) break.
I...really don't see the problem with CONCORD.
I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:48:00 -
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I would support this for say all .5 and .6 sec space. To take out concord in all high sec is a bit much. |
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Xander Riggs
EVE University
Ivy League
201
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:42:00 -
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Great, in theory, but high sec is full of players who simply don't give a ****, most of the time. You'd have miners joining CONCORD for the security and then ignoring threats, people not wanting tol eave a mission or incursion site to enforce, and who would, in their right mind, just want to patrol when there's isk to be made?
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
719
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:19:00 -
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This dude is from EVE Uni
CONCORD as a player run police force would be highly inefective |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:24:00 -
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Funny idea ... but terrible in practise ...
That would essentially mean that most systems had no concord help at all ...
What is the CONCORD guy is the ganker itself ?
People would abuse the living hell out of it.
Player conc would be terribly terribly inefficient ... or I guess the next logical step is that you want CONCORDE ships too with superweapons etc etc.
Leads to the (small) chance that the gankbear is actually good in pvp and kicks your police ass.
Seen ROBOCOP ? ... now think of the scene where murphy goes into the factory and gets shot up to pieces .. thats you jumping into a belt like a hero.
Funny idea but wont work. I do think there would be a chance for somesort of "deputy" system that allows you to hunt the bad sec status people. Rewarding from it would be impossible thou since people would just have their -10 alt flying in with the cheapest possible fit. |
TWHC Assistant
39
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:25:00 -
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It is the dumbest idea ever.
Do you know who your new police will be? Have a wild guess, but I will give you a clue: they already sit at the gates on the trading routes. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1343
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:26:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:And a cute little jail down on the town square where the town drunk can sleep off his latest bender.
I wouldn't call a 40k person jail cute and little.
You know... morons. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:43:00 -
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Zane Kaiser wrote:Get rid of all the NPC Concord forces and replace them with players. Players who join the CONCORD force get a certain rank and are rewarded either ISK or loyalty points based on how many criminals they apprehend.
There will be little problem with abuse since you still can only shoot flagged players, and this will give gankers a fighting chance.
There are so many things that would go horribly wrong with this that I don't even know where to start. |
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:05:00 -
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Lola Humpsalot wrote:Bluddwolf wrote:The major trade hub systems (ie. Jita, Rens, etc.) could then remain under CONCORD control, and all PVP in those systems would be prohibited. No more Corporate offices or HQ's in those systems either. No mining, POSs, or PI. Nothing but safe access to trade hubs. You lost something during the campain didn't you... more please...
Actually, no I didn't.... I don't mine or haul and I rarely travel to Jita, maybe once or twice a year. I'm just of the opinion that one systme in each empire should be a neutral - ground, trade HUB.
To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:15:00 -
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if the gankers want a fighting chance, how about they go to lowsec and fight there? |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries
The Last Chancers.
130
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:22:00 -
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Would any of you in this thread trust a group of EvE player to police you without fear of favour, bribery, corruption and personal advantage being taken?
Yes?
In that case I've got a really good deal on a Titan, transfer me 45 billion asap and this iWin mobile will be yours as soon as I see the cash hit my account. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3836
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:25:00 -
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built in concord comming with new crime watch system.
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Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
6
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:55:00 -
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Perhaps the OP should leave his wiskey/wodka/beer before he post. |
D3F4ULT
52
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:02:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:What would stop players from abusing their power?
What if alts of the criminals exist in the police force?
How could security be maintained if these players are killable?
Wouldn't criminals be able to have an easier time evading limited humans rather than invincible bots?
Any player controlled police force would just result in the accidental creation of another lowsec.
Omg, sounds like real life. We should do something. REVOLT AGAINST THE FEDERATION!
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:13:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Would any of you in this thread trust a group of EvE player to police you without fear of favour, bribery, corruption and personal advantage being taken?
Yes?
In that case I've got a really good deal on a Titan, transfer me 45 billion asap and this iWin mobile will be yours as soon as I see the cash hit my account.
Some would do it for the RP element, others simply because it would mean the role of white knight characters would feel like it was actually supported. Some would do it for the rewards if they were sufficient. Many would probably do exactly what you mention and take bribes to do nothing, but, unless they are all on the payroll, someone else would just do it instead. |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:26:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTRYnsDH8Q |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
809
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:35:00 -
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Zane Kaiser wrote:Get rid of all the NPC Concord forces and replace them with players. Players who join the CONCORD force get a certain rank and are rewarded either ISK or loyalty points based on how many criminals they apprehend.
There will be little problem with abuse since you still can only shoot flagged players, and this will give gankers a fighting chance.
Replace the concept of criminal with the concept of enemy and you have just described Nullsec.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
loki energon
Voodoo Children
Workers Trade Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:17:00 -
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perhaps a new class of character....sheriff. militiaman, maybe even expand upon the bounty hunter role. player run "deputies" . taking CONCORD out of the picture is a bad idea. giving US the ability to clean up our own trash, is one of the best new idea ive seen from the troll pool. no offence OP, i LOVE the basic idea you propose.
kill 'em all
loki
kill em all. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
239
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:25:00 -
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In before police brutality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdxh-KaSBSg
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Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries
STR8NGE BREW
27
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:55:00 -
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Or get rid of concord altogether and have empire navies deal with criminals in their systems. They have sovereignty there afterall. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3594
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:58:00 -
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Zane Kaiser wrote:Get rid of all the NPC Concord forces and replace them with players. Players who join the CONCORD force get a certain rank and are rewarded either ISK or loyalty points based on how many criminals they apprehend.
There will be little problem with abuse since you still can only shoot flagged players, and this will give gankers a fighting chance.
I am sure the noble and meticulously altruistic EVE playerbase would in no way abuse such a facility.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:01:00 -
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You're right! Let's make CONCORD all humans. That way we have plenty of time to get away from ganking people, heck even escape them because E-Uni Idiot A is eating his donuts and cannot be interrupted. |
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:02:00 -
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Ganking? What ganking? All I see are your fine manners, citizen.
*smiles at increased wallet*
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
AngelFood
No C0de
2
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:23:00 -
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You would all be destroyed! And rightly so. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1507
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:21:00 -
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This is, although a nice idea, not practical simply because most people don't care.
And, tbh, are easily avoidable. I can tell. :)
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
856
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:32:00 -
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As I have said last page, player police forces work perfectly.
It is called Nullsec.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
239
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:51:00 -
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Instant mega corrupt police force spotted ITT. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:54:00 -
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I will support this if gankers are given the option to anchor a Krispy Kremes in the system so as to create a slight delay on response time.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Of Mordor
13
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:10:00 -
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No
Join CONCORD and become bounty hunters, high skill, high sec rating. Percent of bounty kept after taxes is related to the lower the system sec the [gank]  lawful action was engaged . A bad kill will get you booted out of CONCORD or not let in.
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
861
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:24:00 -
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Join a nullsec alliance and call for defense forces any time a ganker gang makes it into your region of space.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:58:00 -
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I'd say severely nerf concord npcs, but keep them around and have some deputy program for pilots.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
547
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:15:00 -
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use concord battleships
go to incursions
neut and jam the sansha mothership
?????
profit |
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
99
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:23:00 -
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Zane Kaiser wrote:Get rid of all the NPC Concord forces and replace them with players. Players who join the CONCORD force get a certain rank and are rewarded either ISK or loyalty points based on how many criminals they apprehend.
There will be little problem with abuse since you still can only shoot flagged players, and this will give gankers a fighting chance.
Hmm, "Deputize" players to acting on their behalf?
I LIKE IT!
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Wodensun
ZeroSec
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:57:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:I am in favor, only if consumable donuts are added that give us concord bonuses for 30 minutes or the duration of one ship chase.
Hahaahahaahaa +1 |
Yuri Krivoy
Crash Test Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:16:00 -
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I think it would be cool. Dont replace Concord though, just add players to the state police forces to keep them theam-y. (no concord ships for you) Players that join must maintain a +5 sec satus or better, and have good standing with their state.
Maybe let players join at 0.0 (for new players) but if they drop at all they are kicked out with a big sec hit. (no trials allowed)
In high sec, when someone triggers a GCC in system, police members get a special signature on their directional scanner that lets them warp to 0. Maybe add a chat tab for police to alert of action in other systems. Allow them to drag the GCC signature to the chat window so they cant cry wolf without an actual GCC. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
2004
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:25:00 -
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I've been suggesting something like this for low sec for a long time.
Definitely something that has been discussed on and off with CCP by various CSMs. I hope we can bring some variation of this idea up with CCP again.
Issler |
Conrad Makbure
Phoibe Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:44:00 -
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NPC concord has to stay, they are everywhere all the time; that can't change. However I always felt that concord should recruit cadets with at least 5.0 sec status to assist with criminal activity and then have a rank system to be a full commissioned police officer with privileges, ships and modules of concord. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
381
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:51:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Join a nullsec alliance and call for defense forces any time a ganker gang makes it into your region of space.
Point is.... why bother?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:53:00 -
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Bluddwolf wrote:I just posted this in another thread:
1. Eliminate Concord
2. Replace CONCORD with player based poilce force / faction police for specific region.
3. Criminals that are tagged with a -3.0 or worse can be hunted down by faction police, within their jurisdiction (regional).
4. Create a new skill for Faction Policing, where higher level unlocks Border Patrol skill that allows for jurisdiction to cross over into next jurisdiction by +1 jump per level. Have an even more advanced skill that allows for tru Bounty Hunting, extending jurisdiction to an entire Empire.
This system would create more opportunities for PVP. It would create a safer environment for miners, because a would be ganker would now have to worry more about getting podded by a player, and not an NPC. NPC kills don't register on the kill boards, these kills would.
CCP could even test this system out on a limited basis. They could start it out in the Starter areas, and then expand it from there.
The major trade hub systems (ie. Jita, Rens, etc.) could then remain under CONCORD control, and all PVP in those systems would be prohibited. No more Corporate offices or HQ's in those systems either. No mining, POSs, or PI. Nothing but safe access to trade hubs.
I like it, like it a lot. Sounds like way fun, I'd sign up... |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
577
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:08:00 -
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All of you who are looking for a player run CONCORD need to join null sec alliances.
That is a player driven concord. It's in your hands to defend the pilots of your space. In fact, these days null sec (at least my space) is safer than empire.
And no, this isn't a recruitment scheme. I wouldn't want 90% of you self entitled jerk-offs in my alliance. You all would expect that our home defense fleets don't come at a cost.
It's not rocket surgery. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:19:00 -
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So flying an iteron filled with donuts would guarantee CONCORD suicide ganking me ... 
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Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
274
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:25:00 -
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I'd sign up a as a CONCORD deputy if it was like realistic police work. Fly around and randomly question and harass people. Treat everybody like they're a criminal, until they can prove otherwise. Issue citations to harmless people (such as miners). Drive like a maniac and use excessive force whenever there's any opportunity.
But for this to work, we'll need some petty regulations to enforce. And some flashers and sirens for our ships. And some special NEX store uniforms. Oh yeah! |
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