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Ivorr Bigun
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Posted - 2009.03.26 08:43:00 -
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The new expansion has completely passed me as of yet but i plan to do something about it this month.
I hear that the sleepers have:
insane range
will web and scram you
but i havnt really heard what people are flying against them.
Those that have flown against them, would you consider them soloable?
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Hull Blaster
Gallente
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.03.26 09:52:00 -
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I wouldn't solo them, I was in WH space with a friend in an Astarte and he fared ok... but they hit out some nasty DPS and switch agro which nearly cost me my ship at one point. We were only doing the easier sites, came across no scram but did get webbed once. I'm thinking on getting my thorax fitted for blitzing, MWD, webs and blasters to take out the smaller sleeper drones quickly before warping out if I take a lot of agro, hit & run :).
What you take really depends on your skills and play style.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.03.26 10:11:00 -
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I use a solo Myrm for Perimeter and Frontier sites. (Note that Frontier does require many warp-outs) Also requires alot of drone management. AB and perma-running MAR are key.
Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
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Fenix12
Doom Guard
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.26 10:27:00 -
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I do the easier WH in my drake, takes a while but you can just sit still and shoot.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.26 10:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Fenix12
I do the easier WH in my drake, takes a while but you can just sit still and shoot.
Don't got much of a choice, do you?
I ran a few frontiers in my Drake, which is fitted with an AB which I normally use to transversal tank or range kite (get 400m/s which is good) but being webbed by 4+ things at all times made it impossible to use. In hindsight, I should have just gone and unfitted it for a shield recharger. NEXT TIME!!!
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Fenix12
Doom Guard
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.26 10:36:00 -
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if you use the drake though dont use fury missiles, the increased sig radius means you take more damage and do less because the sleeper crusiers have too low a sig themsleves, when i treid them i was taking about 30 more damage off the cruisers and doing about 150less damage. Stick to the caldari navy scourge.
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Frood
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Posted - 2009.03.26 10:58:00 -
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Perimiter/Frontier sites are doable fine solo in BS's, BC's and HAC's.
Core sites are "Bat Country" and as such should only be attempted while under the effects of brainmelting drugs.
Personally I've been pootling around in my Domi doing fine with an Omni tank and alternating between sentries (garde II's) and medium drones (hammerhead II's). Only lost 1 hammerhead in the past 4 days of ratting.
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Linsyn
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:17:00 -
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We use Remote repping Domi's usually they tend to switch targets a lot and target drones too,I use my absolution set up to tank atm so dps sucks, but twin MAR's AB run perma
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Amon AlHarari
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:42:00 -
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I use an omni tanked Zealot for the permimeter holes with a frontal charge then close orbit. Even the cruisers have woeful tracking. The're hard on the outside and squishy in the middle, once the armour is down they just melt.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:52:00 -
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been using my maxskilled pilgrim
have lost 1 warrior 2 to date but as long as im quick switching them out and use my nos to draw aggro its working fine.
omni resists definately the way to go though
Originally by: Grohalmatar
The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 26/03/2009 11:59:22
I've only done a couple of high-sec Wormhole sites (largest single spawn sofar was 5 Sleeper cruisers and 3 frigs in an archeology site, it had 6 waves of them).
My AB fitted dual-rep Sacrilege handles them just fine, most of the time only needing one of the two reps. It only has 1 BCU, the rest is tank so damage output could be better, but it managed to pound them down quite well and at 540 m/s it's pretty speedy. Painting your targets makes a world of difference I might add, even against sleeper cruisers.
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Barachan Otaared
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.26 12:03:00 -
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It always depends in which class w-space you are. I did class 1-3 w-spaces so far and I can say the following:
class 1: can be done solo in cruiser or battlecruiser
class 2: can be done solo in battleship or in a gang of two battlecruisers
class 3: can be done in a small gang (about 4) of battlecruisers and/or battleships
the other classes I can't tell. in this classes I can also tell so far, that they spawn at about 100km away, but come in close to about 30-60km quite quickly. in class 1-3 I have also not seen any scrambling yet. webbing and remote repping sleepers I have seen in class3.
if you go with drone boats just kill the frigs always first quickly and your drones are fine. sentry drones get shot at in all classes fairly quickly by the sleepers.
for classification take a look here:
http://www.ninveah.com/2009/03/wormhole-classification.html
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Barachan
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.03.26 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Barachan Otaared
It always depends in which class w-space you are. I did class 1-3 w-spaces so far and I can say the following:
class 1: can be done solo in cruiser or battlecruiser
class 2: can be done solo in battleship or in a gang of two battlecruisers
class 3: can be done in a small gang (about 4) of battlecruisers and/or battleships
the other classes I can't tell. in this classes I can also tell so far, that they spawn at about 100km away, but come in close to about 30-60km quite quickly. in class 1-3 I have also not seen any scrambling yet. webbing and remote repping sleepers I have seen in class3.
if you go with drone boats just kill the frigs always first quickly and your drones are fine. sentry drones get shot at in all classes fairly quickly by the sleepers.
for classification take a look here:
http://www.ninveah.com/2009/03/wormhole-classification.html
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Barachan
Gas mining sites in a class 6 are soloable in a well-tanked HAC or BC aswell, there are very few NPCs in those generally and they respawn very slowly.
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Xia Kairui
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Posted - 2009.03.26 12:45:00 -
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I use a Myrmidon for the active repping bonus (so much for making Sleeper fights like PvP) and the very versatile slot layout - I am mainly after the ArcSal sites and the mid slots are useful for AB, web and analysers (the AB more to travel faster between cans and wrecks).
I do have guns on it but most damage comes from the drones - this requires careful management though.
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puckohontas
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Posted - 2009.03.26 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Barachan Otaared
It always depends in which class w-space you are. I did class 1-3 w-spaces so far and I can say the following:
class 1: can be done solo in cruiser or battlecruiser
class 2: can be done solo in battleship or in a gang of two battlecruisers
class 3: can be done in a small gang (about 4) of battlecruisers and/or battleships
class 3, the hard and easy anomaly are soloable in drake with 3 bcu
did the harder one (3sentry 1bs, 4cruiser, then 2bs 4frigs)
had to warp out when i was against the 2bs, but warp in an killed the other one and had no problems finishing it off
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.03.26 16:16:00 -
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I take a Tempest+Megathron in. Usually a Cerb, Geddon or two, and a phoon goes as well.
-Liang
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Vvaren VonSchlegel
Diplomatic Disruption
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:07:00 -
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Favorite setup of mine is a 2 man team for the frontier.
Reason being effective AND efficient.
I fly a Kronos, and the other guy is either a nighthawk or a raven.
My favorite is a raven partner, for with a raven, he'll fit a target painter and that pretty much increases damage on all of those buggers. Also, we both use t2 lights(and I use sentries when needed).
basically, BS's are gone in about 5 minues, cruisers about 5, and frigs are in a decent amount of time with the light drones(key is a lot of drones, as using more means they have to cycle more...lololol)
Withy my kronos, I can salvage like a mofo, and hold all of our loot. Also, 4 guns means less ammo is used. The caldari ship on the other hand is better for smaller ships because of the missiles and such.
It only takes us around 10-15 minutes per cosmic signature. and we make some serious dough \o/
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Guer
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:14:00 -
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i did a few perimiter sites in my myrmidon. It was terrible and slow. the gun dps isn't enough to keep agro off the drones. I'd rather take a drake next time.
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Celtic Desrtoyer
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:23:00 -
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All right this is what me and a buddy do we go into the hard WH in .5 .4 sec areas with a raven and a domi we have also found some of the damage that goes best against them and what to tank for which has helped us out unfortuneatly lost the domi last night to 2 sleeper BS that dealt 2k damage on me with there missles but I have found the resist against them.(not at home so sorry can't tell you) And the have INSANE range that can be painfull and they WILL scram you/web you immeditaly they are about x3 harder then any other rat of that ship class so watch yourself=)
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Celtic Desrtoyer
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Celtic Desrtoyer on 26/03/2009 17:24:24
Oh yes I forgot something when you are out there WATCH for other people you can get uber ganged in there
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 26/03/2009 17:48:36
Class 1 and 2 systems arent that hard. you can solo in a battlecruiser( i use a drake and 5 launchers as u use my other 3 for utility). The anology i use for sleepers is a t2 drone with shields and armor merged into armor( sleeper drones dont have shields) that gets POS defense system bonuses.
Frigate= small POS weapons
cruiser= med POS weapons
battleship= large POS weapons
Sentries= gate guns.
Its the best anology i can think of to known space.They have the same base resist to everything so using a ship with a bonus to damage would probably be the best. Drakes get a kinetic missle bonus damage so kinetics are the best, in my case, to use.
I have successfully tanked ( in a class 2) 2 BSes and 4 cruisers at a time in a well tanked drake( all but 1 low used for tank all mids used for tank) without ever warping out.
The key to tanking BSes is to keep moving and to keep at range. you get under 30-35 KM and their damage increases greatly. I would say 40-60 KM is optimal range to kill the BSes.
I dont recommend drone boats... its a lot of headache. and in your face weapons are definately a no no.
Fit a ship for a POS takedown( assuming you would use ranged ships here) and you can take on class 1-2 sleepers fairly easy solo.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:10:00 -
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My whole corp is out in w-space together, so I don't have to solo any Sleepers. I use a Pilgrim for the combo combat/scouting abilities.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
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