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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:24:00 -
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Old topic I know, I started something in a public channel that devolved into this and I heard some interesting (read: funny) definitions Id never heard before.
"Me > I thought carebears were non social ppl that shot rocks and rats and missioned and didnt like PVP"
"several people > Wrong"
Ill admit at this point I was quite surprised given Id never been told straight out I was wrong on asking what that was before (like there was a given SET answer to it - I realize there really isnt)
"Me > lol then again the carebear definition changes depending on the person you talk to"
"guy > Wrong"
Again - surprised cause the above is pretty much accepted fact  then come the definitions:
"carebears appreciate ALL ASPECTS of eve, and don't just get hard-ons from pew pew'ing"
"To 0.0 ppl carebear is anyone that lives in highsec, to high sec theyre the ppl that just do PVE, to Goons they seem to be a combination of that and all miners." "and to WH goers its anybody that looks at local." - there is no local in WH but yeah lol "or people that dont live in WH"
"carebears are players who usually don't do PVP but have the skills for combat and could hold their own in a fight, likely kick your ass. Carebears have the teeth, the balls to back it up. They're not psycho teenage PVP speedfreaks, but they can kick your ass anyway" -- Ill admit that was a new one
"a better definition of carebear is anyone that tries to make money by any means but theft + merc activity"
"Carebear is someone who does PvE"
"Carebears tend to be 'knights in shining armor' - they will rescue you and they have the muscle to do it, in this game anyway"
"Carebears tend to be whiny, stubborn and risk averse"
"I always understood carebears as players who enjoyed supporting others in one way or another. Meaning it could be anyone from resource-oriented types like harvesters, crafters up to tanks or even guild leaders."
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Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:34:00 -
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Carebears are people not blue to me. |

seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:35:00 -
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Dinner. |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:35:00 -
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You |

Josef Djugashvilis
128
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:38:00 -
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Broadly speaking, a carebear is some one who does not play Eve the way you want them to so that you can get easy kills. You want fries with that? |

Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:39:00 -
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Funny given this alt is maybe an hour old lol
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Broadly speaking, a carebear is some one who does not play Eve the way you want them to so that you can get easy kills.
Yet you louns delcaim that that is what you want so they get that false sense of security thin going on lol |

Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:41:00 -
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Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:47:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.
Lol not like once a year theres a Nullsecageddon where High sec invades null and suicide ganks.... um... command ships and logisctics or POSes or ...something |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:50:00 -
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I guess it's a different definition for everyone - for me, it's risk averse people who care way too much about losing their assets, involving:
- People whining to nerf the posibility of what they call 'non-concensual PvP' (imho there is no such thing in eve - you agree to all types of PvP when you launch eve - even when you never undock and do station trade all day long).
- People so scared of combat PvP they wont even try to defend themselves.
- Greedy people whining they can't fit their hulks for max profit.
- People overly concerned with their K/D ratios (yes - a guy doing industry in lowsec and taking his hauler through there has way more balls than the 50 weekend warriors camping a gate in their DRAEKS).
In general, I wouldn't say it has much to do with the security rating of systems - the old NC had some of the worst carebaears ever to play this game. You know... morons. |

Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:50:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.
Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it?
You awful, awful pubbie. |

Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:54:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:I guess it's a different definition for everyone - for me, it's risk averse people who care way too much about losing their assets, involving:
- People whining to nerf the posibility of what they call 'non-concensual PvP' (imho there is no such thing in eve - you agree to all types of PvP when you launch eve - even when you never undock and do station trade all day long).
- People so scared of combat PvP they wont even try to defend themselves.
love when they eject an give you a free ship
-ppl who QQ about a ship so much CCP has to nerf the tank of said ship just cause the QQers cant kill it - or "it takes too long qqqqqq" (DRAEK - well unless as with the new ones BCs actually ARENT meant to HAVE tanks)
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Wiccan999
Starwinders The Unwilling.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:55:00 -
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carebear = primary...no exceptions. |

Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:06:00 -
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Careturtle ?
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:07:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
-ppl who QQ about a ship so much CCP has to nerf the tank of said ship just cause the QQers cant kill it - or "it takes too long qqqqqq" (DRAEK - well unless as with the new ones BCs actually ARENT meant to HAVE tanks)
Well - the reason I brought up Drakes was because it's a ship a typical carebear would bring to a fleet (if given the choice - a blob calling for them is a different issue) because it's the one ship you typically don't get primaried in (high tank/dps ratio) - could have been Mallers or Prophecies as well, but then, nobody flies them.
The only issue I personally have with Drakes is the fact so many people fly them, because monotony is boring - same goes for Canes. You know... morons. |

Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:28:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.
Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it? You awful, awful pubbie.
The implication is that the carebear is the one who benefits from all of that, without ever putting in the :effort:. |

Davst
Friends and Pals
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:31:00 -
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Conversation is from the Mining channel, and was one of the lamer conversations we've had in there.
As I said there, the term carebear is much older than Eve, and it specifically refers to someone who doesn't partake of PvP and instead focuses on the PvE aspect of the game. In a pvp-centric game such as Eve (or old school UO, where the term was coined) it has an extremely negative connotation, as many would argue the PvP is the entire point.
/thread
/smokes pipe and continues reading. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
811
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:45:00 -
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These are Care Bears.
Most of you are abusing a protected copyright. An internet lawyer will be with you shortly...
:) Here's your sign... |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:48:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote: "and to WH goers its anybody that looks at local." - there is no local in WH but yeah lol
There is local in Wh's..... It's delayed. I check local all the time in WH's (not constantly, but check it - never know when someone will squeek...)
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:50:00 -
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Carebears are risk adverse, here are a couple examples
1. People who don't like getting shot by titan XL guns, ask for a nerf 2. People who shoot hulks using destroyers, because battleships are non-insurable 3. People who complain highsec is too safe, but cry when CONCORD is buffed after finding loopholes 4. People who complain incursions produce too much isk, but want to shoot people instead of competing for isk 5. People....certain conditions apply advantages to themselves...not to others but not ok when others ask the same in return
No matter how you whine it...one side doesn't like something but can't cope when other side does something to them but then other side complains when the one side ups them (<-- too confusing, but nobody likes it when the other has the advantage in something but neither side likes it when the other side gains the advantage). We are all carebears, doesn't matter if you pull the trigger since you are throwing away the ship or just sitting in a belt.
How about
"Fly what you can afford to replace, but don't admit that you are risk adverse to losing something of value so long as you can smash up something of value to the other guy - - maybe its time CCP creates skill point loss when ever your ship is destroyed since isk / items are replacable but time isn't " |

EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:56:00 -
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carebears are anyone who had a different playstyle than me. |

Rikanin
Azerick Holdings The Paganism Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:00:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.
Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it? You awful, awful pubbie.
You stupid, stupid goon.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:02:00 -
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I'd class carebears as the risk adverse players who want to be able to "do something else while I play", so basically bio botting the game. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:06:00 -
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Rikanin wrote: You stupid, stupid goon.
Oh, its easy to make space secure? Go take some and do so then.
Not only that, but the risks present in 0.0 are far more common. You pretty much can't predict when someone decides to log in a cyno alt and hotdrop a gank squad on top of you, and roaming gangs are extremely common. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:07:00 -
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Non-agressive players.
Carebears [as the fuckin' name implies, dummies] are players who do not agress other players, and wish to remain apart from all hostility, or chance for hostility.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
379
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:11:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Carebears are risk adverse, here are a couple examples 1. People who don't like getting shot by titan XL guns, ask for a nerf 2. People who shoot hulks using destroyers, because battleships are non-insurable 3. People who complain highsec is too safe, but cry when CONCORD is buffed after finding loopholes 4. People who complain incursions produce too much isk, but want to shoot people instead of competing for isk 5. People....certain conditions apply advantages to themselves...not to others but not ok when others ask the same in returnNo matter how you whine it...one side doesn't like something but can't cope when other side does something to them but then other side complains when the one side ups them (<-- too confusing, but nobody likes it when the other has the advantage in something but neither side likes it when the other side gains the advantage). We are all carebears, doesn't matter if you pull the trigger since you are throwing away the ship or just sitting in a belt. How about "Fly what you can afford to replace, but don't admit that you are risk adverse to losing something of value so long as you can smash up something of value to the other guy - - maybe its time CCP creates skill point loss when ever your ship is destroyed since isk / items are replacable but time isn't  " How about: "Someone who can't even show their face because they are afraid of the (imaginary) repercussions?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:13:00 -
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To say that Carebears are defined by being risk-adverse is a misnomer. PVPers, no matter how hardcore, are partially risk adverse too. For the same reason Carebears are hesitant to take their mining ship outside of high sec is the same reason a PVPer might be hesitant to take their T2 fully faction module fitted Battleship out into unfriendly space alone.
A carebear is simply a player who does not wish to engage in other players in direct combat. EVE for them is more of an economic simulator than a combat simulator to them.
The reason why EVE is so great is that it's combat elements and economic elements are equally complex and interesting. Not everyone is going to enjoy the deep minutia of combat, just like not everyone is going to enjoy playing the market. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Davst
Friends and Pals
3
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:13:00 -
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*continues smoking pipe* |

Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:17:00 -
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Sorry, wrong thread |

Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:21:00 -
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Someone who doesn't PVP
And I'm not talking that silly "Market PVP" I mean PVP that results in character death.
The term traces back to at least Everquest where Carebear was used to refer to everyone who didn't play on one of the PVP servers. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
811
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:36:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:To say that Carebears are defined by being risk-adverse is a misnomer. PVPers, no matter how hardcore, are partially risk adverse too. For the same reason Carebears are hesitant to take their mining ship outside of high sec is the same reason a PVPer might be hesitant to take their T2 fully faction module fitted Battleship out into unfriendly space alone.
A carebear is simply a player who does not wish to engage in other players in direct combat. EVE is more of an economic simulator than a combat simulator to them.
The reason why EVE is so great is that it's combat elements and economic elements are equally complex and interesting. Not everyone is going to enjoy the deep minutia of combat, just like not everyone is going to enjoy playing the market.
Dear sir, your vocabulary is hurting my brains. Please to be looking up the words "averse", "adverse" and "misnomer" and using them correctly in the future.
Thank you.
- The Erudite Community
P.S. The posessive form of "its" has no apostrophe.
(Couldn't help it, sorry. You went to so much trouble to sound all authoritative and edumacated, and then blew it.)
:) Here's your sign... |
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