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Broadly speaking, a carebear is some one who does not play Eve the way you want them to so that you can get easy kills.

Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.

Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.

I guess it's a different definition for everyone - for me, it's risk averse people who care way too much about losing their assets, involving:

- People whining to nerf the posibility of what they call 'non-concensual PvP' (imho there is no such thing in eve - you agree to all types of PvP when you launch eve - even when you never undock and do station trade all day long).

- People so scared of combat PvP they wont even try to defend themselves.

-ppl who QQ about a ship so much CCP has to nerf the tank of said ship just cause the QQers cant kill it - or "it takes too long qqqqqq" (DRAEK - well unless as with the new ones BCs actually ARENT meant to HAVE tanks)

Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it?

You awful, awful pubbie.

"and to WH goers its anybody that looks at local." - there is no local in WH but yeah lol

Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it?

You awful, awful pubbie.

You stupid, stupid goon.

Carebears are risk adverse, here are a couple examples

1. People who don't like getting shot by titan XL guns, ask for a nerf
2. People who shoot hulks using destroyers, because battleships are non-insurable
3. People who complain highsec is too safe, but cry when CONCORD is buffed after finding loopholes
4. People who complain incursions produce too much isk, but want to shoot people instead of competing for isk
5. People....certain conditions apply advantages to themselves...not to others but not ok when others ask the same in return

No matter how you whine it...one side doesn't like something but can't cope when other side does something to them but then other side complains when the one side ups them (<-- too confusing, but nobody likes it when the other has the advantage in something but neither side likes it when the other side gains the advantage). We are all carebears, doesn't matter if you pull the trigger since you are throwing away the ship or just sitting in a belt.

How about

"Fly what you can afford to replace, but don't admit that you are risk adverse to losing something of value so long as you can smash up something of value to the other guy - - maybe its time CCP creates skill point loss when ever your ship is destroyed since isk / items are replacable but time isn't "

To say that Carebears are defined by being risk-adverse is a misnomer. PVPers, no matter how hardcore, are partially risk adverse too. For the same reason Carebears are hesitant to take their mining ship outside of high sec is the same reason a PVPer might be hesitant to take their T2 fully faction module fitted Battleship out into unfriendly space alone.

A carebear is simply a player who does not wish to engage in other players in direct combat. EVE is more of an economic simulator than a combat simulator to them.

The reason why EVE is so great is that it's combat elements and economic elements are equally complex and interesting. Not everyone is going to enjoy the deep minutia of combat, just like not everyone is going to enjoy playing the market.

Well - the reason I brought up Drakes was because it's a ship a typical carebear would bring to a fleet (if given the choice - a blob calling for them is a different issue) because it's the one ship you typically don't get primaried in (high tank/dps ratio) - could have been Mallers or Prophecies as well, but then, nobody flies them.

The only issue I personally have with Drakes is the fact so many people fly them, because monotony is boring - same goes for Canes.

Conversation is from the Mining channel

and was one of the lamer conversations we've had in there.

As I said there, the term carebear is much older than Eve, and it specifically refers to someone who doesn't partake of PvP and instead focuses on the PvE aspect of the game. In a pvp-centric game such as Eve (or old school UO, where the term was coined) it has an extremely negative connotation, as many would argue the PvP is the entire point and a PvEer is simply acquiring items without any real purpose but to acquire even more items.

2. People who shoot hulks using destroyers, because battleships are non-insurable

How about: "Someone who can't even show their face because they are afraid of the (imaginary) repercussions?

Thought they were nerfing them cause theyre TOO widely used? Unless all those Goon or someone I cant remember who Drake fleets I hear about from time to time are just jokes.
Hell I saw a killmail for a Tengu the other day where the attackers were FOURTY SEVEN drakes O.o
Dont think just carebears fly em in 0.0

"I don't think I should have to risk losing a covops ship, all I'm doing is probing for wormholes and anoms, you should make it so I can probe while stealthed... "

Umm? Is this some sort of troll I'm falling for? I always probe whilst being stealthed...

But you can't launch the probes while stealthed, right?

(If you can, then I vastly need to reevaluate my use of probes.)

Therefore, there's a tiny segment of time where if you were stupid and sitting on a gate launching the probes, you would be vulnerable. You'd have to be an idiot to do so (at least, with reds in local or whatnot), and a rather big douche to then complain to CCP about how it's not fair you were attacked in the first place...

They're not called carebears anymore.

They're 'hardbears'. So they feel better about themselves while they get ganked, I guess.

Some tool changed the vocabulary on us, so get used to it.

Dinner.

A Carebear is a PVEer scrub in a PVP game who, when experiencing some form of difficulty with other players, wishes to force the game's rules to change in lieu of them changing their playstyle.

For example, rather than fit a tank to deter gankers, or fly a different ship temporarily, or bring along friends who can fight back, these most pathetic of slugs would rather demand CCP make their hulks invincible.

Of course, they rarely state outright they wish to be invincible, instead they simply extend the goalposts of what they feel is acceptable vulnerability -- goalposts which are always on the other side of where they currently are. In other words, it's only acceptable vulnerability if they are not vulnerable at any given time.

In any other situation this would be laughable ("I don't think I should have to risk losing a covops ship, all I'm doing is probing for wormholes and anoms, you should make it so I can probe while stealthed and can't be targeted when unstealthed."), but these pathetic wretches are oh so tiresome and loud in their bitching and moaning...

Gotta let a ho be a ho, gotta let a sandbox be a sandbox

Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it?

You awful, awful pubbie.

Carebears are people who cry and whine less than the supposed pvp'ers.