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Kaz Yobnoc
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:07:00 -
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Is the Hawk worth training up for? I use a Drake for missions and exploration sites. I know the resists are high but is the loss of a mid slot, launcher and some shield worth it? How is it better?
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kaz Yobnoc Is the Hawk worth training up for?
Hawk is caldary AF. Nothing stellar.
You are ofc talking about nighthawk and that is worth it if you dont want to go battleship route (and you propably dont want if it's for wormholes).
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Lisa Starblazer
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:15:00 -
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Nighthawks have better tank and do more dps than a drake.
They have a 5% bonus to ROF and Damage per launcher
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Kaz Yobnoc
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lisa Starblazer Nighthawks have better tank and do more dps than a drake.
They have a 5% bonus to ROF and Damage per launcher
Yeah, I know about its bonuses but wasn't sure if they made up for the loss of a launcher.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:25:00 -
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NH is useless for pvp as it is impossible to fit properly
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:35:00 -
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NH : "whoa" tank.
Drake : Can actually fit an AB / MWD and does higher volley damage, I'll stick with it thx.
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Kaz Yobnoc
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:39:00 -
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I'm talking PvE here. If I want to PvP it won't be in either of these ships.
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Lisa Starblazer
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kaz Yobnoc
Originally by: Lisa Starblazer Nighthawks have better tank and do more dps than a drake.
They have a 5% bonus to ROF and Damage per launcher
Yeah, I know about its bonuses but wasn't sure if they made up for the loss of a launcher.
Yep, it does superior damage to the Drake and against fast targets gets an extra bonus so you can chew through frigates much faster.
The NH is a superior ship in almost every way.
Just out of curiosity are you active or passive tanking your drake?
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Kaz Yobnoc
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Posted - 2009.03.27 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lisa Starblazer
Originally by: Kaz Yobnoc
Originally by: Lisa Starblazer Nighthawks have better tank and do more dps than a drake.
They have a 5% bonus to ROF and Damage per launcher
Yeah, I know about its bonuses but wasn't sure if they made up for the loss of a launcher.
Yep, it does superior damage to the Drake and against fast targets gets an extra bonus so you can chew through frigates much faster.
The NH is a superior ship in almost every way.
Just out of curiosity are you active or passive tanking your drake?
Passive but have considered going active on a NH. I'm lazy and don't want to micro manage cap if I don't have to. Don't know if the loss of an additional mid for codebreaker/analyzer would be doable in an active setup.
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Kaz Yobnoc
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Posted - 2009.03.27 12:02:00 -
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Active [High] HML II x6 Drone link aug or probe launcher
[Mid] Pithi B-type small booster x2 CN Boost Amp Invuld II (replace for codebreaker/analyzer) Photon Scat II
[Low] CN BCS x4 Damage control II
[Rigs] CCC x2
This is a little expensive to be taking into a wormhole. I won't post the passive set up. Just standard passive but much cheaper. Thinking about using a Cerb for WH and leaving NH for Missions but would like to have one ship to do it all.
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Slayed
Caldari Debitum Naturae Dies Irae.
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:03:00 -
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the Nighthawk is not impossible to fit at all end of that discussion
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Hanns
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:05:00 -
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[Nighthawk, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
My nighthawk setup for lvl 4's i use Paladin for the EM Weak missions and this for everything else, perma tanks 733dps with 2xCNBCU and does just under 400 dps with my crappy missile skills! which is fine for most missions if you work the room properly but if you want to be really lazy you could drop the BCU's and add two more SPR's and put your tank up to 1269dps and if you want to spend a load more money and loose the ability to fire precision missiles u could use CN Launchers and add another LSEII and get 1360dps tank
Then you can go super silly and use Estamels gear but that isnt very realistic, atleast CN gear is readily available if maby a little expensive, this setup works equally as well with just tech II gear.
Originally by: Tuxford a new retribution bonus +1 med slot per level
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Kaz Yobnoc
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns [Nighthawk, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
My nighthawk setup for lvl 4's i use Paladin for the EM Weak missions and this for everything else, perma tanks 733dps with 2xCNBCU and does just under 400 dps with my crappy missile skills! which is fine for most missions if you work the room properly but if you want to be really lazy you could drop the BCU's and add two more SPR's and put your tank up to 1269dps and if you want to spend a load more money and loose the ability to fire precision missiles u could use CN Launchers and add another LSEII and get 1360dps tank
Then you can go super silly and use Estamels gear but that isnt very realistic, atleast CN gear is readily available if maby a little expensive, this setup works equally as well with just tech II gear.
That is the exact setup I would use, using Fury missiles. I'm using pretty much the same thing on my Drake now. Thx for the info all. I will miss my Drake. 
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J Valkor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:18:00 -
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For PVE there is no reason to use a drake over a NH. 25% ROF is actually 33% more damage. With a T2 fit and Caldari faction missiles 500 DPS is perfectly possible without drones and with 3% implants.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kaz Yobnoc Is the Hawk worth training up for? I use a Drake for missions and exploration sites. I know the resists are high but is the loss of a mid slot, launcher and some shield worth it? How is it better?
The Nighthawk has better DPS and better tank than a Drake. My active NH has around 600 DPS gank (with hobgoblins) and also 600 DPS tank (dual Pithi B setup), so it is more than enough for any level 4 mission.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns [Nighthawk, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II
My nighthawk setup for lvl 4's i use Paladin for the EM Weak missions and this for everything else, perma tanks 733dps with 2xCNBCU and does just under 400 dps with my crappy missile skills! which is fine for most missions if you work the room properly but if you want to be really lazy you could drop the BCU's and add two more SPR's and put your tank up to 1269dps and if you want to spend a load more money and loose the ability to fire precision missiles u could use CN Launchers and add another LSEII and get 1360dps tank
Then you can go super silly and use Estamels gear but that isnt very realistic, atleast CN gear is readily available if maby a little expensive, this setup works equally as well with just tech II gear.
its overtanked I did missions with a drake with less tank without any problems.
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II (faction is a good investment) Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Small Tractor Beam I
Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Semiconductor Memory Cell I
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.27 14:32:00 -
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Considering the fact that wormholes lead to 0.0 without local, i would not risk a nighthawk with faction fitting. The possible profit is too small if you get ganked even only once per month.
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Cade Morrigan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.27 16:10:00 -
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Do both: NH for L4 missions, leave her in hisec. Drake for WH exploration. |
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