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Ashen Arizona Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:18:00 - [1] Preferably 0.7 - 0.4 ones with relatively reasonable jump access to null sec space where theres a friendly alliance that won't shoot me and my wife in the face instantly? We're currently basing in Paara, its a few jumps from Jita and, now that I've gotten a handle on the general lay of the land in that region, the reason that system is so overmined is largely because its that close to a trade hub. Anyways, I'd love it if someone could make some recommendations for a better place for us to set up shop. Its a little hard to make that determination from in game without going on a grand safari of exploration, and I figured maybe someone here would have some pointers on a better place for me and my wife to put down roots and work on our interests.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:25:00 - [2] Edited by: digital0verdose on 27/03/2009 14:25:59 I have had good mining an mission success around Osmeden (Gallente space). That said, null sec is largely unpopulated and if you keep an eye on local and leave whatever you are doing and warp to a safe spot when someone else shows up, you will generally survive without indecent; however... The huge caveat here is making it through low sec, which is where most of the pirates hang out. Low Sec Guide If you open your star map and check the statistics for things like "People in space in the last 30 min" and "Ships destroyed in the last hour" you will be given a good idea of the relative safeness of making it though those areas. Another good way would be, since you and your wife are both playing, is one of you get in a shuttle and stay one jump ahead of the other and relay if the area is clear until you get to your destination. What exactly null sec do you want to do? We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Ashen Arizona Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:32:00 - [3] Well I figure being close to null sec allows us to be closer to the corps that are really playing the game and maybe we'll meet some people and get involved in something larger than just me and her playing on our own. Also I don't mind PvP, I'm not adverse to the idea of losing ships because I'm inexperienced, and largely I enjoy feeling like I've got to stay on my toes, so being in lower sec/null sec space just sorta of appeals to my sense of adventure I guess. I guess I'll sorta have to poke at the map a bit harder the way you're making it sound I can sort of filter my way to the results I'm seeking.
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digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Ashen Arizona Well I figure being close to null sec allows us to be closer to the corps that are really playing the game and maybe we'll meet some people and get involved in something larger than just me and her playing on our own. Also I don't mind PvP, I'm not adverse to the idea of losing ships because I'm inexperienced, and largely I enjoy feeling like I've got to stay on my toes, so being in lower sec/null sec space just sorta of appeals to my sense of adventure I guess. I guess I'll sorta have to poke at the map a bit harder the way you're making it sound I can sort of filter my way to the results I'm seeking. I guess what I am getting at is that going into low/null sec and expecting to find friends will result in pirate hilarity. What I strongly suggest is that the both of you get familiar with the game in high sec and discuss what each of you wants to do. Lets say she would like to mine and do missions and you want to get involved in some PvP. I would then recommend that you head over to the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center forums and detail everything that you and your wife are looking to do and that the both of you are new to the game. Once that happens you will see a few responses and then start getting some EvE mails from interested corps. At that point just look at that corps' info and take note of a few things like tax rate (you want 10% or lower) and number of members (if you are going into a null sec corp it should have a solid number of unique members). You will also want to avoid any joining fees and ask if they have an office you can apply at that is located in high sec to avoid being baited into low sec and just destroyed off the bat. One very important thing to remember about EvE is that no amount of you being destroyed by another player is griefing (minus some extremely rare and few exceptions) so any time you venture into low/null sec you should always plan on being on guard. If you are not and get destroyed, it is purely your fault. This isn't to try and discourage you, but rather a warning that if you are easily distracted by TV or something else going on, it will generally end up with you being destroyed. There is some leeway here if you are working with a corp and in a group but complaisancy in in low/null will not be rewarded kindly. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Ashen Arizona Well I figure being close to null sec allows us to be closer to the corps that are really playing the game I . Again, I'll try to presume you are not a troll and ask: "How did you arrive at this conclusion?"
Ashen Arizona Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:21:00 - [7] Uh...I dunno cause theres this map I saw that shows a bunch of alliances and stuff out in null sec? This map here Do you all just deal with a lot of trolls or something cause it seems like I can't ask ANYTHING or say ANYTHING without SOMEONE going "you're probably a troll". I'm not a troll I'm a new player asking what are probably ILL INFORMED and sometimes STUPID questions because I don't KNOW ANY BETTER. Christ.
Beregga	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:22:00 - [8] The best place to get this information is from your in-game map. First, color systems by security rating, then color by number of ships in system.
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:23:00 - [9] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 27/03/2009 15:24:57 Nice Link. Haven't seen Tank in a while, wonder how he's doing. OP, Yes, the map you can customize to show services and player activity, systems you've visited and all kinds of other stuff under statistics. If you google 2d maps then you can download a pdf of eve regions. These maps have extra information right on the map, number of stations in a system, number of asteroid belts, and true sec status of systems for starters. Caldari space is almost always overpopulated as a rule, so you might want to try gallente or minmatar space and get a ways from the hubs. Combine the statistics with the 2d map and you can figure out where a good system is near you. Corp Tax rate isn't set in stone and many corps will temporarily raise it during wars to discourage players from going out and making targets of themselves ratting or missioning. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Ashen Arizona Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Beregga The best place to get this information is from your in-game map. First, color systems by security rating, then color by number of ships in system. Ahh okay see I wasn't aware I could set a filter that could filter number of ships in system. That will help alot and I really appreciate you bringing it up. Thank you.

Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:30:00 - [11] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 27/03/2009 15:30:52 Originally by: Ashen Arizona Uh...I dunno cause theres this map I saw that shows a bunch of alliances and stuff out in null sec? Christ. Well, he did say he was going to presume you were not a troll, which is not the same thing as calling you a troll. The map is soverenity for nullsec. His point though was that everyone playing the game is playing the game, regardless of where they play. And even null sec corporations and alliances have players that run to high sec to buy and sell supplies. There are also high sec corps that run around declaring war so they can fight in high-sec. And most corporation have an office in high sec somewhere. I think you're taking people's comments too personal. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Ashen Arizona Uh...I dunno cause theres this map I saw that shows a bunch of alliances and stuff out in null sec? So, there is this 0.0 alliance map and then what? How did you get from that map to presuming that that's where the game is "really" played?
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:31:00 - [13] Edited by: digital0verdose on 27/03/2009 15:34:52 Originally by: Ashen Arizona Uh...I dunno cause theres this map I saw that shows a bunch of alliances and stuff out in null sec? This map here Do you all just deal with a lot of trolls or something cause it seems like I can't ask ANYTHING or say ANYTHING without SOMEONE going "you're probably a troll". I'm not a troll I'm a new player asking what are probably ILL INFORMED and sometimes STUPID questions because I don't KNOW ANY BETTER. Christ. This is just repercussions from your other post. You dug yourself a bit of a hole and now just have to kind of go with it until its either forgotten or people feel like giving you a solid chance. **ing off the regulars in the New Citizens Q&A isn't a good way of getting help. It will pass. Originally by:** Ashen Arizona Originally by: Beregga The best place to get this information is from your in-game map. First, color systems by security rating, then color by number of ships in system. Ahh okay see I wasn't aware I could set a filter that could filter number of ships in system. That will help alot and I really appreciate you bringing it up. Thank you. In my original response in this thread I linked a Low Sec survival guide which details where and how to set these filters. That guide is one of the most important guides you could read if you plan on going below 0.5 sec. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:34:00 - [14] Edited by: digital0verdose on 27/03/2009 15:34:29 double oops We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Vex Cachet Minmatar Dominion Gaming BrightSpark Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.27 15:54:00 - [15] EVE drops you off at a lousy starting location (mostly because everyone else that's similar to your build starts there too). Plan on moving away soon. You don't have much to pack up because most of everything you start with is junk, but take what you want and go explore. Stay in systems .5 to .7 so you can get experience with rats in hisec, and notice when you enter a system how many players show up in the Local chat window. That tells you how many players are in the system. If there are more than 10 or so, keep looking. When you find a system that meets your population criteria (no more than 10, no more than 30, whatever it is), then explore the system to see if it has appropriate level mission agents for you, explore the asteroid fields, look for a clone station, and so on, look for the resources you want, and then park yourself there for a while. Check your character page "Standings" to see how your standings are with various NPC Corps, because those Corps will provide you with mission agents that you can use to raise your standings in order to allow you to progress to higher level missions that will yield bigger challengs and bigger rewards. Notice that if you land in a system that is within 2 jumps from a low sec system, there's a good chance that you'll get missions into low-sec, so you might want to find a system that is at least 3 jumps from any low sec systems. Get to know how to use the Map. It's big and unwieldy and confusing as hell at first, but after you've come to learn how to use it you'll find it in an invaluable tool. There are times when you'll want to (or have to) travel into a low sec region. Use the map filters to show the number of ships that have been destroyed in the last hour in every system, that will give you a clue of the pvp activity in that system. Also, change the filter to see how many players are in the system. It could be a 0.0 system and if it's empty it won't be a danger. For long. At least long enough for you to warp through. Most people aren't going to share the exact system names that they've found that they like. And even when they do (as some have done here), their wants will be different from yours. My wife and I spent time exploring until we found what we wanted, and it paid off. We found a great system with all the resources we wanted, low population, zero lag, only 6 jumps from a major trade hub, and no low-sec in reach. By the way, why do you want access to nullsec at this stage in your career? That's like going into EverQuest or WoW as a L1 and saying you'd like to be near a raiding entrance. Sure, you can enter if you'd like ... . . Vex & Kesha Cachet . She's the Brains - I am pure DPS. . Men do not stop playing because they grow old, they grow old because they stop playing - Oliver Wendell Holmes
Billy Sastard Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.27 16:01:00 - [16] If you really do want to jump into 0.0 head for the Providence region, as they have a 'not red dont shoot'(nrds) policy which means you are relatively safe there compared to the rest of 0.0 where the policy is 'not blue shoot it'(nbsi). However even in providence there is priacy so you still have to be on your toes. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Tandin The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.27 16:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Billy Sastard If you really do want to jump into 0.0 head for the Providence region, as they have a 'not red dont shoot'(nrds) policy which means you are relatively safe there compared to the rest of 0.0 where the policy is 'not blue shoot it'(nbsi). However even in providence there is priacy so you still have to be on your toes. To elaborate for the benefit of the OP, the difference in the two policies is the status of neutrals. In most of 0.0, neutrals are considered hostiles to be eliminated. If you aren't part of a corp or alliance with positive (blue) standings you will be shot. Providence is the opposite. Neutrals are considered neutral instead of hostile. Therefore most of the locals won't shoot you. There are always roaming pirates and such though. "Boo hoo. Cry some more." CCP Whisper "There's no such thing as too much of a deathtrap. Y'all obviously need more deathtraps." CCP Prism X
Jose Black	Posted - 2009.03.27 16:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Ashen Arizona Preferably 0.7 - 0.4 ones with relatively reasonable jump access to null sec space [..] You should rather stay out of 0.4s and 0.0-gate systems, for them usually being crowded with not so nice people. Instead of 0.4 I'd suggest a 0.3 a bit deeper into lowsec space. I'd not pack everything and move it to lowsec. Just grab stuff you need there (mission and/or mining vessel together with some ammunition). Then just give it a try. If you don't like it you haven't the problem of needing to haul all the stuff back. Also if you get blown up you won't lose much. Besides that you would still have a safe heaven to return to and start over, which saves you from getting frustrated. Also keep in mind that it is part of the fun to explore. Theres 5k star systems out there and you're going to find you a home and stay there (forever)?
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.27 18:13:00 - [19] Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 27/03/2009 18:14:05 If you take that advice you had better check the market ahead of time. Low-sec markets deservedly have a reputation for being overpriced and sparse. I agree not to move it all. Take what you need to determine if it's for you. I agree with just leaving it there. You can make a profit on most of it too by selling it there if you don't plan to return.


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