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InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 13:22:00 - [1] Hey, As u all know ccp personel is allowed to play on the live servers as they please. obviously without using any commands to spawn themselfs stuff etc. But theres other ways to get very very rich. This thread is about one of those ways. Inside trading: trading items/goods using non-public information gained trough means of working at ccp. even short glances at global economy figures during database access can be enough to get very rich in the right hands. and hey everyone wanna have a lotta isk in eve right? Does this stuff get investigated? And are there limits to how rich someone working at ccp is allowed to become in eve online TQ server? ID.
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 13:32:00 - [2] For years now this has been of big concern to me as you can do basicly anything given enough isk, u can even fund wars, getts lotts of people following your cause, basicly you can completely unbalance the game depending what you do with the isk. And isk makes isk, if you know what to buy and sell because you have real figures to work with that other people dont. Talking manny trillians of isk here. Complete market control. Internal Affairs, do you investigate this and are there limits?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 14:19:00 - [3] 1: Your obviously not using spell checker and type like 5 year old. 2: You have zero evidence. 3: You forgot your tinfoil hat. 4: You epically failed to troll CCP. Insider Trading is a term used to define the act of someone taking company information they work for and using that information on the stock market to turn a profit and making it look like they got damn lucky. For you to use such a "Grownup term" in the context of EVE is laughable. Everything is obviously pubilc knowledge as far as prices go... duh? All you people who whine about CCP playing amongst you... where's your proof? All I see is you claiming they do this... and yet there is no proof. Seriously... get a grip on reality well yah? Even if they did.... your still not producing proof.. put up or shut the hell up. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 14:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Drake Draconis 1: Your obviously not using spell checker and type like 5 year old. 2: You have zero evidence. 3: You forgot your tinfoil hat. 4: You epically failed to troll CCP. Insider Trading is a term used to define the act of someone taking company information they work for and using that information on the stock market to turn a profit and making it look like they got damn lucky. For you to use such a "Grownup term" in the context of EVE is laughable. Everything is obviously pubilc knowledge as far as prices go... duh? All you people who whine about CCP playing amongst you... where's your proof? All I see is you claiming they do this... and yet there is no proof. Seriously... get a grip on reality well yah? Even if they did.... your still not producing proof.. put up or shut the hell up. If you keep this up i will report you for harassment. On topic: Proof: CCP CEO made public statement when the whole T2 incident went down that they will allways play on the live servers. Thats enough to know that they are on the live servers and they are making isk for themselfs in eve. The question is how much isk? and do they use information they gained from working at ccp in their free time on their player characters. We do not all have access to the same amount of information. For one markets are regional, resources required to construct something thats in development, ccp is allways first to know (way before it even getts on the test servers). The most information is inside the eve database, all trading is recorded its easy to keep track of market tendancys. So no we really dont have the same level of information as ccp. And the question is aimed at ccp internal affairs, not someone like you obviously baised to believe nobody @ ccp ever does anything wrong (history has proven different allready, hence why the internal affairs was created).
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 15:13:00 - [5] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 28/03/2009 15:13:57 Originally by: InnerSphere Originally by: Drake Draconis 1: Your obviously not using spell checker and type like 5 year old. 2: You have zero evidence. 3: You forgot your tinfoil hat. 4: You epically failed to troll CCP. Insider Trading is a term used to define the act of someone taking company information they work for and using that information on the stock market to turn a profit and making it look like they got damn lucky. For you to use such a "Grownup term" in the context of EVE is laughable. Everything is obviously pubilc knowledge as far as prices go... duh? All you people who whine about CCP playing amongst you... where's your proof? All I see is you claiming they do this... and yet there is no proof. Seriously... get a grip on reality well yah? Even if they did.... your still not producing proof.. put up or shut the hell up. If you keep this up i will report you for harassment. On topic: Proof: CCP CEO made public statement when the whole T2 incident went down that they will allways play on the live servers. Thats enough to know that they are on the live servers and they are making isk for themselfs in eve. The question is how much isk? and do they use information they gained from working at ccp in their free time on their player characters. We do not all have access to the same amount of information. For one markets are regional, resources required to construct something thats in development, ccp is allways first to know (way before it even getts on the test servers). The most information is inside the eve database, all trading is recorded its easy to keep track of market tendancys. So no we really dont have the same level of information as ccp. And the question is aimed at ccp internal affairs, not someone like you obviously baised to believe nobody @ ccp ever does anything wrong (history has proven different allready, hence why the internal affairs was created). Yet again you rabble on without proof...let alone a spell checker. Go ahead and report me.... your just a whiny child with no hope of achieving anything other than encouraging paranoia and conspiracy theories. go on now... put on your tin foil hat and repeat after me CCP is out to get us CCP is out to get us CCP is out to get us Say it enough times... it might actually come true! You never know! Yep... laugh of the day here.... classy stuff. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2009.03.28 15:21:00 - [6] CCP have an Internal Affairs department which monitors all their accounts for anything strange. This is done fairly regularly and from what we saw in Iceland, all the staff take IA very very seriously. If you think they are doing what you described, please let the IA guys know and they will investigate. ---------------------- My Blog
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 15:57:00 - [7] I have no doubt that they take the IA very very seriously. but is it within the confines of what they are allowed to do? affect eve on a global scale and become insanely rich? Are there rules that say they are not allowed to have more than 1 trillian isk (random figure)? Because i believe they have no rules about this at all. All we know is that they are not allowed to spawn themselfs stuff.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:07:00 - [8] Originally by: InnerSphere I have no doubt that they take the IA very very seriously. but is it within the confines of what they are allowed to do? affect eve on a global scale and become insanely rich? Are there rules that say they are not allowed to have more than 1 trillian isk (random figure)? Because i believe they have no rules about this at all. All we know is that they are not allowed to spawn themselfs stuff. For all we know they are spying on your computer.... watching your keystrokes... tracking your movements.... every single little website you visit.... all of your bank accounts. Why... the thought alone is staggering. someone should contact the authorities! ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:23:00 - [9] Originally by: InnerSphere I have no doubt that they take the IA very very seriously. but is it within the confines of what they are allowed to do? affect eve on a global scale and become insanely rich? Are there rules that say they are not allowed to have more than 1 trillian isk (random figure)? Because i believe they have no rules about this at all. All we know is that they are not allowed to spawn themselfs stuff. Obviously IA doesn't allow that. That's pretty much a given. As OZ said, we have talked to IA on several occasions. Trust me, they wouldn't let that happen. IA audits all employees on a regular basis.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:44:00 - [10] Lock thread. /thread --Isaac P.S. Your an idiot and paranoid. Also, this is CCP'S GAME. Isaac's Haul*Mart

InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:52:00 - [11] Recent events.. (the renaming of bob), have substantionaly lowered my will to simply take their word for it that all is well, move on etc. What i woud like to see is specific rules ccp personel have to follow when playing on TQ. Can Internal Affairs possibly tell us just what rules there are? It still wont garentee stuff but atleast we know there are specific rules about this for them to follow. So IA what rules are there?
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker this is CCP'S GAME. A game with a global economy where developers play on the live servers and are abble to affect the game is insane. So yes we need rules for them to be allowed to play on it. This is our game that they made for us. What are the rules their personel have to follow?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:58:00 - [13] Originally by: InnerSphere Recent events.. (the renaming of bob), have substantionaly lowered my will to simply take their word for it that all is well, move on etc. What i woud like to see is specific rules ccp personel have to follow when playing on TQ. Can Internal Affairs possibly tell us just what rules there are? It still wont garentee stuff but atleast we know there are specific rules about this for them to follow. So IA what rules are there? Then why the hell didn't you ask for that in the first place? Why come up with some stupid harebrained idiotic accusation with no proof or basis which would lead us down this stinky rabbit trail of an thread which obviously is nothing more than someones stupid little soap box demanding answers which could have easily been accomplished by petitioning or contacting Internal Affairs directly? Or are you just doing this because you wish to draw attention to yourself and shout "The sky is falling!!!" ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:00:00 - [14] Originally by: InnerSphere Originally by: Isaac Starstriker this is CCP'S GAME. A game with a global economy where developers play on the live servers and are abble to affect the game is insane. So yes we need rules for them to be allowed to play on it. This is our game that they made for us. What are the rules their personel have to follow? Read Vista's post you moonbat
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:02:00 - [15] Assembly Hall A platform for players to bring topics to the attention of the Council of Stellar Management. The CSM (this forum section) is the playerbase conduit with ccp. What your suggesting is that its possible to contact IA directly and get a answer about this.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Omber Zombie CCP have an Internal Affairs department which monitors all their accounts for anything strange. This is done fairly regularly and from what we saw in Iceland, all the staff take IA very very seriously. If you think they are doing what you described, please let the IA guys know and they will investigate. Learn to read kid. You got your answer... move along...move along ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:10:00 - [17] If the CSM wont get them to tell us the rules ccp personel have to follow on the TQ servers. How do i go around contacting the IA? Is there a specific procedure for this to actualy get a answer?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:13:00 - [18] I suggest you petition your question to CCP directly or check the information pages on the EVE online website. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Efrim Black Gallente Apellon	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:34:00 - [19] Originally by: InnerSphere Edited by: InnerSphere on 28/03/2009 17:14:37 If the CSM wont get them to tell us the rules ccp personel have to follow on the TQ servers. How do i go around contacting the IA? Is there a specific procedure for this to actualy get a answer? I been trying to find out what rules they have to follow for ages now, if any specific rules even exist. Ever since the IA was created years ago we havent been allowed to see what they really do. Troll troll is trolling trolls uh in here.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.03.28 17:37:00 - [20] Quote: If the CSM wont get them to tell us the rules ccp personel have to follow on the TQ servers. Nobody outside CCP knows the exact rules. What we do know is under strong NDA. Quote: How do i go around contacting the IA? Is there a specific procedure for this to actualy get a answer? They won't tell you. But you can contact IA at [email protected] if you think a CCP employee is using insider information. Quote: I been trying to find out what rules they have to follow for ages now, if any specific rules even exist. Ever since the IA was created years ago we havent been allowed to see what they really do. For very good reasons. The rules haven't been published, but trust mere there is a set of rules which every employee has to follow. I'm sorry I can't be more specific. All I can offer you is my word and my confidence on this subject. I can obviously not give you any proof.

Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.28 18:07:00 - [21] I knew there was a reason I liked the fact your in CSM. o7 @ Vista ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.03.28 19:33:00 - [22] Originally by: InnerSphere Originally by: Isaac Starstriker this is CCP'S GAME. A game with a global economy where developers play on the live servers and are able to affect the game is insane. So yes we need rules for them to be allowed to play on it. This is our game that they made for us. What are the rules their personel have to follow? Yeah, read Lavista's Post. Also, who the heck are you to demand that CCP have rules for their game when they obviously do? CCP made this game. They can just as easily unmake it. Live with it. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
Bunyip Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.29 03:40:00 - [23] I can support what the other delegates in the CSM with me have said. I would also like to point out that it makes no sense that the developers would sacrifice the game they know and love for the Epeen of saying "I have 3 trillion dollars". CCP is a business, and as such, it runs by rules to ensure the game continues to move smoothly. "May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table.
Jin Labarre	Posted - 2009.03.29 04:34:00 - [24] It is a good thing that CCP employees play the game, because it is the best (and only) way to ensure that they know what the game is all about. It is a good thing that they do so on the live server, because the test server is not a true representation of the actual game environment, since it follows a lot of different rules. It is logical that they make ISK for their characters somehow. It is also logical that they do so based on what they know, as long as that does not include using exploits. They can't avoid knowing things, after all. You don't expect them to drug themselves thick and dozy every time they play, right? You have to trust in CCP, CCP's internal watchdogs and the CSM to keep a watchful eye on this. If you don't, it makes no difference anyway, because if CCP actively tried to smash the game, they'd succeed with or without your trust, with or without controls. Even if it just meant to go bozo on the server blades with a fire axe. That would be pretty dumb, though. After all, EVE is their biz, not just their hobby.
InnerSphere Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.29 13:51:00 - [25] Edited by: InnerSphere on 29/03/2009 13:53:57 Originally by: Jin Labarre It is a good thing that CCP employees play the game, because it is the best (and only) way to ensure that they know what the game is all about. It is a good thing that they do so on the live server, because the test server is not a true representation of the actual game environment, since it follows a lot of different rules. It is logical that they make ISK for their characters somehow. It is also logical that they do so based on what they know, as long as that does not include using exploits. They can't avoid knowing things, after all. You don't expect them to drug themselves thick and dozy every time they play, right? You have to trust in CCP, CCP's internal watchdogs and the CSM to keep a watchful eye on this. If you don't, it makes no difference anyway, because if CCP actively tried to smash the game, they'd succeed with or without your trust, with or without controls. Even if it just meant to go bozo on the server blades with a fire axe. That would be pretty dumb, though. After all, EVE is their biz, not just their hobby. Im gonna believe they have rules for playing on TQ , its a damn shame they arent public tho. Im sure they woud never ruin the game they worked on so hard. However they might think its fun to get rich and wage wars on TQ. If even the IA team thinks its fun for them to wage wars we got a problem as it can get pretty unbalanced to fight someone with near unlimited isk. Im into pvp a lott but i dont like putting a lott of effort/time into beating a enemy that has unlimited resources, it is why when the T20 thing got out i started to put very little serious effort into eve as the person ur fighting might be one these CCP guys. Question is , is it fun/allowed for them to wage/organise wars or not? And from what you have seen are they into that stuff on TQ? or is that NDA aswell..
Roymundo Caldari Royal Enterprise Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:12:00 - [26] Originally by: InnerSphere Originally by: Drake Draconis 1: Your obviously not using spell checker and type like 5 year old. 2: You have zero evidence. 3: You forgot your tinfoil hat. 4: You epically failed to troll CCP. Insider Trading is a term used to define the act of someone taking company information they work for and using that information on the stock market to turn a profit and making it look like they got damn lucky. For you to use such a "Grownup term" in the context of EVE is laughable. Everything is obviously pubilc knowledge as far as prices go... duh? All you people who whine about CCP playing amongst you... where's your proof? All I see is you claiming they do this... and yet there is no proof. Seriously... get a grip on reality well yah? Even if they did.... your still not producing proof.. put up or shut the hell up. And the question is aimed at ccp internal affairs, not someone like you obviously baised to believe nobody @ ccp ever does anything wrong (history has proven different allready, hence why the internal affairs was created). you do realise that this forum is for the bringing of ideas to the attention of the CSm and not CCP internal affairs right.....? damn you fail....
Efrim Black Gallente Apellon	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:17:00 - [27] Originally by: InnerSphere Troll Well. Done.
Roymundo Caldari Royal Enterprise Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:20:00 - [28] Originally by: InnerSphere This is our game that they made for us. are you a shareholder or something? CCP is a privately owned company. so no, they didn't make the game for you. they made the game for themselves and released it to the public in order to create profit. that they even listen to people in order to improve the game and thus their profits, you should be thankfull for.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:42:00 - [29] Cripes. Another MM loser that believes all the propaganda his leaders spew out. Get it through your tin-foil covered head, CCP is not out to get everyone and there is not a great CCP conspiracy on TQ. Most CCP employees have no idea how the market is going to react to changes just like the rest of us. Any sort of blatant market manipulation based on insider info would be easily caught by IA. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Foulque	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Vaal Erit Get it through your tin-foil covered head, CCP is not out to get everyone and there is not a great CCP conspiracy on TQ. This. Get over it. ________



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