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Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.29 06:05:00 - [1] I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. I didn't know what it was, except that it was a science fiction game, ok cool. And I saw that it was an online game. Even neater. Thereafter, I met a cool group of guys while mining and became part of the Sekura Corporation. Our corp and player group evolved over time, from Miners to Pirate hunters to Mercenaries to Alliance Warriors to Pirates and eventually to Faction Warmongers. Throughout it all, pvp was always the central theme. Whether we were mining, producing, or running missions, the ends were always for pushing the pvp envelope. Why is Eve Online greater than any other MMO ever published? Eve Online is the greatest most hard core pvp game in existence. Even when I play other online games that pretend to have pvp, I let them know just how pathetic their pvp really is, and point to Eve as an example of the ultimate in pvp. You invest more, you can lose more. This game does not appeal to everyone. It has a super high learning curve, and is very unforgiving in the wild parts of the universe. There's another aspect of Eve that makes it great... Eve Online is a self motivational game. If you lack self motivation, you will find yourself bored to death. It has no race to level 60. It doesn't have a set of ultimate armor that makes everyone look like the same uber clone. When you invest in a more powerful ship, you risk more. No other game has the same reward / risk level as this one. Not only that, but Eve is always growing. Back in the day when the only ship types were Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships and Industrials, I mentioned in a thread how cool it would be to have Destroyers, Battlecruisers and Capitol ships. Lo and behold! Eve developers had the same idea. Great minds and all. Same thing when I mentioned that it would be interesting if you could jury rig your ship, and salvage wrecks of ships. Those things also became reality. I began to suspect that perhaps Eve Developers do listen to their players ideas after all, or perhaps its a case of parallel invention. Now we have Tech Three Cruisers. While I am trained in the operation and pilot skills for one of these, I have yet to see one for sale along with subsystems. However, the idea of what a T3 cruiser is, the modular aspect, the malleability of function, and the alteration of hull according to modular design, was one of my ideas from a long time ago. The only thing I could think of next would be putting all of those planetary vehicles, marines, small arms and other trade items into play as part of a RTS combat scenario over habitable planets, moons, or even stations. Perhaps making it possible to disable a ship in space without destroying it, then using shock troops to board that ship and possibly take it over, ejecting the pod pilot in the process, or, repelling said invasion with your own marines and small arms you keep on board. The future holds many secrets. We can only hope. One thing is for sure, there is no lack of content in this game. The missions may be repetitive, the gates broken, but as long as there are players, there will be dynamic player driven content. The skill system has no cap. No other game can boast that. Eve designers realized that when a player reaches the top, he has two options, repeat the content with a new alt character, or move on. Because in any other game, reaching the top means running out of game. It is inevitable. It happened in Everquest, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, and so many more. However, like real life, Eve online doesn't have an end of story book story. That is what makes it great. I only have a few words left to finish this posi-rant. I've played EQ, WoW, EQ2, AC, SWG(pre-ngo & post-ngo), DAoC, Lotro, CoH, CoV, UO, Shadowbane, and even Runescape. Yet, I keep returning to play Eve Online. Last but not least, Eve is the only game with a single shard. UO players know what I mean. I doubt it can get any better than this. Viva la Eve Online
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.29 06:25:00 - [2] Positive posts cause forum crashes. Stop greifing the forum. ...
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.29 06:31:00 - [3] Eve is my first MMOG, so it ruined me for the rest of them.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.29 07:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Neo Omni Eve is my first MMOG, so it ruined me for the rest of them. This, pretty much.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.29 07:30:00 - [5] EVE is not he most hardcore PVP game, Diablo II is.
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.29 07:33:00 - [6] RL is the most hardcore MMO around. Unfortunately the GMs don't pay attention, the graphics sucks, and most everyone carebears. === This Space For Lease or Sale.
CHAOS100 Widowmakers	Posted - 2009.03.29 07:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Neo Omni Eve is my first MMOG, so it ruined me for the rest of them. This, pretty much. Yeah same. I had played trials of MMO's before, and they never really caught on. One day a friend told me he started this playing this game called "eve online", which I had never even heard of. I saw it was a pay-mmo which turned me off, but hey it had a 14 day trial, what can go wrong with that? Well low and behold 4 years later I am playing the same game. I downloaded the trial of WoW to try out what the rage was about... I don't see what the big deal is... compared to Eve it is shallow and mind numbing killing X npc for X item to get to level X. More recently I bought Age of Conan since a few friends bought it, and I played it with them for a while. It was neat but I could still see it was trying to emulate the 'ultimate mmo' WoW. I ended up letting the month expire after a couple weeks of playing. Frankly I don't like fantasy games, probably why I don't like WoW and every other MMO clone. I don't even like space games/sci fi themes that much, hell I had not played ANY sci-fi game before I started eve. It was the open-ended and brutal pvp aspect of the game that made it different. --------------
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.29 08:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Bullageddon RL is the most hardcore MMO around. Unfortunately the GMs don't pay attention, the graphics sucks, and most everyone carebears. Well at least the economy is getting rebalanced!
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.29 08:47:00 - [9] Real Life MMO is better cause no one comes around and nerfs my 250ps car down to 80 for more balanced travel ...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.03.29 08:54:00 - [10] I have to agree with the points mentioned. Eve is not for the solo player that wants a quick game, its for the player who can put in tons of time in the game. They will get rewarded and have the full experience. The solo mission runners will get a boring game and probably quit once they get tired of collecting isk. Ive always liked the concept of this game so thats why I keep paying the monthly fee even though I dont feel like playing it. Everything takes so long in Eve and I dont want to put that much time into a game anymore, specially a game that makes you work a lot to get the payback. I probably would not stick around if it wasnt for the offline training though, since then I wouldnt make any progress at all. But now it feels like I will some day have the time to properly play the game again. Maybe I will get unemployed at some point, then I will play all day long. :) --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.03.29 09:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Perry Real Life MMO is better cause no one comes around and nerfs my 250ps car down to 80 for more balanced travel ... You are wrong, they will do, it's just a matter of time.
Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.29 12:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Asuka Smith EVE is not he most hardcore PVP game, Diablo II is. How so?
Sidrat Flush Caldari Life is Experience	Posted - 2009.03.29 12:25:00 - [13] Personally I've always had a problem trying to describe what eve online was all about. The same questions kept popping up "What do you have to do?, What can you do? Why should you do it etc." Well the greatest line in this thread (apart from the real life MMO sub-discussion), is the following "Eve Online is a self motivational game." That statement right there sums up all you need to know about Eve Online. If you are motivated you will find yourself a goal. You may not make it on the first attempt, or the second. You may even get your alliance rage quiting en masse, but you will because of the single shard nature have an effect on every other player either in the local area or through a wider audience as each others actions have ripple effects that are barely detectable. So from now on, I'm not going to mention it's a sandbox game. Eve online, is a self-motivational game for people who enjoy social pvp games. There may come a time where it could lose it's sci-fi theme, in that pod pilots may spend most of their time on a station or in the further future on a planet and doing what they like, but perhaps not. Thanks for the ultimate description of Eve Online. All I have to do now is remember it :D -------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better. Eve Online Batch Calculator
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2009.03.29 12:50:00 - [14] great post Trinity Corporate Services
Easley Thames The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.29 12:56:00 - [15] Eve is awesome for three reasons: 1) It's a player versus player game (in more ways than one) 2) The world of New Eden is a cold & harsh reality with high risk and thus the potential for epic events that "matter" a great deal 3) The game is played on a single world with a very memorable community (thanks in part to Eve TV and Fanfest) Eve isn't the best game in every single area. I think much of the game feel unfinished and this unpolished feeling can be very difficult for new players to overcome. What Eve does offer is a unique playground for those with the patience to learn the mechanics of an unorthodox game-system. I can see someone playing both Eve and another MMO at the same time for different reasons. I did so for a while myself. You don't get to kick people out of their space in most games but you can find something interesting to do in about 10 seconds while Eve is unpredictable.
Lord Eremet	Posted - 2009.03.29 13:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Neo Omni Eve is my first MMOG, so it ruined me for the rest of them. Same for me. I tried a few others, but none had the appeal EVE have.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2009.03.29 13:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Zezman Originally by: Asuka Smith EVE is not he most hardcore PVP game, Diablo II is. How so? If you die, you have to make a new character. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.03.29 13:47:00 - [18] Originally by: WarlockX Originally by: Zezman Originally by: Asuka Smith EVE is not he most hardcore PVP game, Diablo II is. How so? If you die, you have to make a new character. If you play in hardcore mode yah, however DiabloII isn't an mmorpg, so it is hard to compare :p Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.29 14:02:00 - [19]
Quaristice	Posted - 2009.03.29 15:30:00 - [20] Though I agree with everything you said...the post was kinda *****. No offense...
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.03.29 17:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Tag Heuer Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.29 17:39:00 - [22] Nice post. But CCP will still not give you a free month's play for brown-nosing.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.03.29 17:45:00 - [23] I didn't read all text but since the first part contained mining and finding the game on a store shelf makes me do thumbs up! Great game Secure 3rd party service

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.29 18:07:00 - [24] Eves greatest strength is its variety of things to do and the near total freedom to do them in. Its like a whole flash page of quality minigames with a dash of pew pew and your nerdy roomies spreadsheet all rolled up into one huge interconnected game of how life would be as the head honcho of your ship, corp or alliance if we were an interstellar spacefaring species. Tbh if the aliens are tapping in to eve to see how humanity would take to the stars I would bet after a while of reading the forums and local chat they would probably nudge an asteroid our way. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.29 18:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Sidus Isaacs - DesuSigs
Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.29 22:46:00 - [26] Edited by: Zezman on 29/03/2009 22:47:57 Originally by: Tag Heuer Nice post. But CCP will still not give you a free month's play for brown-nosing. Damn! Originally by: Chribba I didn't read all text but since the first part contained mining and finding the game on a store shelf makes me do thumbs up! Great game Very well, here's a Zez'z NotesÖ of what my original post was all about: *Ten Points of Why Eve Online is the best MMO ever* I bought Eve Online from a store based upon the Box Cover Art. Our Corp evolved over time to enjoy nearly every aspect of the game Eve Online is the best pvp game to date. Eve Online is one of the few Self-Motivational Games, meaning you have to find your own purpose in the game. Eve Online has grown and added new content on a consistent basis, rather than stagnating like many other games. The development of ships and abilities were predicted by me, and follow a natural development cycle for Sci-Fi games. The Future of Eve Online is unknown, but we can expect even more content and fun things to blow up. The Character development system based upon no-cap skills is the best feature, bar none. I should know, I've played almost every major MMO since Ultima Online. Last but not least, Eve Online is unique in that there is but one world, everyone belongs to the same Universe.
Amitious Turkey Gallente Ammo Tech Inc	Posted - 2009.03.29 22:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Neo Omni Eve is my first MMOG, so it ruined me for the rest of them. This, pretty much. Same, this game is what got me looking at other MMO's in the first place. Everything else pales in comparison (\_/) (O.o) (> <) The writer of the article did not quote himself- Cortes
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:16:00 - [28] I think it was Oveur that once put it like this: eve is NOT a harsh and unforgiving game by accident... eve is a harsh and unforgiving game by design ! Never seen it better described... and that IS why i love the game after over 5 years :) http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/gs.gif Dont get mad - Get even
Nifan	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:27:00 - [29] skills lack something, like power, i'm 45m sp and i feel weak cuz i'm amarr
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Zezman I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. Strange, wasn't eve retail version introduced with Apocrypha update ? How comes you first saw it on a store shelf while being a 2003 Char ?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Nifan skills lack something, like power, i'm 45m sp and i feel weak cuz i'm amarr Wat? With a 45mil sp amarr character your lasers should be literally burning right though ships and still hitting another ship on the other side for omgwtfbbq damage. How much of that is in gunnery? Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Sidrat Flush Caldari Life is Experience	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Zezman I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. Strange, wasn't eve retail version introduced with Apocrypha update ? How comes you first saw it on a store shelf while being a 2003 Char ? Okay I'll fall for it, but in 2003 there actually was a boxed set release. Very thin pamphlet (it could not be described as a game manual by any stretch). For those that remember the olden days, eve can still feel fresh. As we're all playing in the same area as everyone else, new and old, and the "rules" can change every six months while keeping the basic feel the same, it's the only game on line or off line that has me coming back to it. Sure we all need a break every so often, perhaps real life perhaps for a bit more perspective from protracted whinage and corp breakups. But it's still part of the game that keeps us coming back. Few people can say they've kept their account going AND logging in to do more than change skills over the last x years. Self Motivational Game Genre should be attempted more often I think, so far no game has got close to Eve's characteristics and feel. BTW - I love spreadsheets too. -------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better. Eve Online Batch Calculator
Beliandra	Posted - 2009.03.30 00:18:00 - [33] Originally by: WarlockX If you die, you have to make a new character. If you want the Diablo II Hardcore adrenaline rush in EVE, you could probably simulate it pretty well by just never upgrading your clone.
Gustav Seriya	Posted - 2009.03.30 00:26:00 - [34] I fell in love with Eve for the same reason I used to love UO: PvP is costly and you can actually lose something. ((Note: I loved UO from beta in 97 til they made it a carebear game)) I have tried various other mmo's when the "Eve Burnout" strikes me, but I always come home. Not only the pvp, either. I think it's the most beautifully rendered game out, will be for some time, and the offline skills design really appeals to people with time constraints (like myself). I don't have to be here 24 hours a day to keep up my character, so I can compete with even the powergamers, to an extent. A very unique and completely awesome feature. Frankly, I can't "get into" Age of Conan, which I was excited about buying. Aside from not having time to invest in it, I always think about hitting the top level and the game ending. In Eve I have three characters of various age and none of them will ever be completed. The TL version (a short story) November of last year my aunt (a fellow gamer) takes me out to get my birthday present. Much to my dismay it wasn't a pair of buxom strippers and a can of whipped cream, but a trip to EB games. She picks up a WoW box and hands it to me, telling me she's been playing it for a year or so and loves it, it's like UO, etc etc. Basically a sales pitch for me to leave Eve and game with her, which I admit I miss from time to time. Not wanting to seem ungrateful, I give it a fair shot. After some mindnumbing chinese water-torture quests (kill 50 of this, run 100 miles, climb the highest peak and spit into the wind, etc) I have a decently powerful mage and enough gear to compete. So, I give a yell on Vent to my trusty aunt, asking her where this great battleground is. after the directions are given, the conversation turns for the worse... "So, where are you?" "Heading to the bank to get rid of some valuables I don't want to lose" "What?" "Valuables, I can't afford to replace some of this stuff yet." "You can't lose them" "Huh?" "You can't lose them, carry whatever you want" "I can't... wait, so if I can't lose mine, I guess they can't lose theirs?" "Right." "So I can't loot them? I can kill but can't loot. That right?" "Right" "So what do you get for pvping?" "Points and some rewards." "I can't lose anything, my enemy can't lose anything, and we all get a reward when the dust settles." "Yep" "Then why bother pvp'ing when they turned it into a damned quest?! Go kill 10 enemies and here's a nice new staff." "For fun, I guess." "IT'S NOT FUN IF THERE'S NO RISK INVOLVED" I'm grateful for the space back on my hard-drive at any rate......
Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.30 03:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Zezman I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. Strange, wasn't eve retail version introduced with Apocrypha update ? How comes you first saw it on a store shelf while being a 2003 Char ? Amazing belief you have there. It was on the store shelves back in the day. It really was. I no longer have the box, but I distinctly recall buying it. Anyone remember the "Zezman Maneuver?" Check out the old version of Eve and what it used to look like.
Amitious Turkey Gallente Ammo Tech Inc	Posted - 2009.03.30 04:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Zezman Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Zezman I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. Strange, wasn't eve retail version introduced with Apocrypha update ? How comes you first saw it on a store shelf while being a 2003 Char ? Amazing belief you have there. It was on the store shelves back in the day. It really was. I no longer have the box, but I distinctly recall buying it. Anyone remember the "Zezman Maneuver?" Check out the old version of Eve and what it used to look like. LOL, wow, I remember that I think. I still have that CD from the box. Too bad it's useless :( It would take at least a week to patch...and they don't have those patches anyway... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) The writer of the article did not quote himself- Cortes
Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.30 07:27:00 - [37] Just check out the dates on the wallet log, that's amazing, and I had just under 3 million isk to my name. Oh those were the days.
Belmarduk Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.30 08:11:00 - [38] Originally by: Zezman [ *Ten Points of Why Eve Online is the best MMO ever* I bought Eve Online from a store based upon the Box Cover Art. Our Corp evolved over time to enjoy nearly every aspect of the game Eve Online is the best pvp game to date. Eve Online is one of the few Self-Motivational Games, meaning you have to find your own purpose in the game. Eve Online has grown and added new content on a consistent basis, rather than stagnating like many other games. The development of ships and abilities were predicted by me, and follow a natural development cycle for Sci-Fi games. The Future of Eve Online is unknown, but we can expect even more content and fun things to blow up. The Character development system based upon no-cap skills is the best feature, bar none. I should know, I've played almost every major MMO since Ultima Online. Last but not least, Eve Online is unique in that there is but one world, everyone belongs to the same Universe. This Mainchar:
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.03.30 08:20:00 - [39] And not to forget: the other ones suck bad!
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.03.30 08:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Perry Real Life MMO is better cause no one comes around and nerfs my 250ps car down to 80 for more balanced travel ... Slight correction: Nobody came and balanced trucks down from speeds of 500 km/h. Race cars (Inty) should have race car speeds - not trucks (BS). --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.30 09:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Zezman I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. Strange, wasn't eve retail version introduced with Apocrypha update ? How comes you first saw it on a store shelf while being a 2003 Char ? It was originaly released as a box game, I still have the box as well. But at some point there where some issues with the publisher and EVE went the download route.
Celeritas 5k Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.03.30 09:31:00 - [42] I picked up EVE when I looked over my roommate's shoulder and saw the pretty ships and lasers all over the place (mining lasers, but i didn't know that at the time). I've taken a break or two since then, but I don't think I'll be leaving anytime soon. - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Atnal Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.30 10:04:00 - [43] Originally by: Bullageddon RL is the most hardcore MMO around. Unfortunately the GMs don't pay attention, the graphics sucks, and most everyone carebears. You win the tread.
Savage Creampuff	Posted - 2009.03.30 10:26:00 - [44] ya, first mmo. totally ruined the rest. Quote: Anyone remember the "Zezman Maneuver?" lol, love the 100m drone bay on that tristan
Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.03.30 10:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Zezman *Ten Points of Why Eve Online is the best MMO ever* I bought Eve Online from a store based upon the Box Cover Art. Our Corp evolved over time to enjoy nearly every aspect of the game Eve Online is the best pvp game to date. Eve Online is one of the few Self-Motivational Games, meaning you have to find your own purpose in the game. Eve Online has grown and added new content on a consistent basis, rather than stagnating like many other games. The development of ships and abilities were predicted by me, and follow a natural development cycle for Sci-Fi games. The Future of Eve Online is unknown, but we can expect even more content and fun things to blow up. The Character development system based upon no-cap skills is the best feature, bar none. I should know, I've played almost every major MMO since Ultima Online. Last but not least, Eve Online is unique in that there is but one world, everyone belongs to the same Universe. Signed. Originally by: Perry Real Life MMO is better cause no one comes around and nerfs my 250ps car down to 80 for more balanced travel ... Signed.
Gealbhan Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.30 10:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Zezman I first saw Eve Online on a store shelf in Wal~Mart. Back in the day when the only ship types were Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships and Industrials, I mentioned in a thread how cool it would be to have Destroyers, Battlecruisers and Capitol ships. Lo and behold! Eve developers had the same idea. Great minds and all. Same thing when I mentioned that it would be interesting if you could jury rig your ship, and salvage wrecks of ships. Those things also became reality. I began to suspect that perhaps Eve Developers do listen to their players ideas after all, or perhaps its a case of parallel invention. Quote: Didn't EvE Online only recently start hitting store shelves? Did you copy/paste someone eles review? Just curious & I could be wrong?
Gabriel Karade Gallente Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.30 11:45:00 - [47] Eve is the first, and only MMO I've ever played. People keep trying to persuade me to try others but I'm just not interested. Followed a similar progression to the OP, yes, I used to mine once... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2009.03.30 11:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Nifan skills lack something, like power, i'm 45m sp and i feel weak cuz i'm amarr You what? I'm at the same stage, and I feel like I can take over the universe! -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.30 15:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Savage Creampuff ya, first mmo. totally ruined the rest. Quote: Anyone remember the "Zezman Maneuver?" lol, love the 100m drone bay on that tristan Back in the day when scout drones were 50 m3 in size Originally by: Gealbhan Didn't EvE Online only recently start hitting store shelves? Did you copy/paste someone eles review? Just curious & I could be wrong? It was on store shelves in the beginning. I typed out every letter, and used up all characters one is allowed in a single post. But thanks for the compliment (thinking that this was a professional review).
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.30 17:01:00 - [50] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: Nifan skills lack something, like power, i'm 45m sp and i feel weak cuz i'm amarr You what? I'm at the same stage, and I feel like I can take over the universe! Really? Sweet! 1.5M to go!
Nkurakarin	Posted - 2009.03.31 00:23:00 - [51] For me, this is why eve online is the best: -The best PVP in an MMO - period -Offline Skill Training -Diminishing Returns to keep it about player skills instead of player level

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Tag Heuer Nice post. But CCP will still not give you a free month's play for brown-nosing. Watch it! Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

EFT Warrior	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:25:00 - [53] Mitnal - Deliverer of bad puns and swift forum justice.
Zezman Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:55:00 - [54] Of course, I didn't post this for the purpose of being a suck-up or brown-noser, but I felt like expressing how I felt about this game, when I've played so many others. But it is nice to have a blue bar upgrade too!
FlyingSpaghettiMonster	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:39:00 - [55] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Originally by: Tag Heuer Nice post. But CCP will still not give you a free month's play for brown-nosing. Watch it! No thanks, I'm not a fan of that kind of stuff...
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2009.04.02 01:25:00 - [56] It's not very hard to rate EVE as "the greatest mmo of all time," as there isn't a lot of competition. As a general principal, MMO's are worse than awful. The only thing that could compare is Planetside, except that game got worse with every single update and was left to languish.
UMEE Tactical Initiative Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.04.02 04:25:00 - [57] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto It's not very hard to rate EVE as "the greatest mmo of all time," as there isn't a lot of competition. As a general principal, MMO's are worse than awful. The only thing that could compare is Planetside, except that game got worse with every single update and was left to languish. there are quite a few decent mmo's out there. city of heroes and wow being two of em. but here's where eve grew on me: when i hit end-game for the other two, i died a little inside. ive been on and off with eve since beta! but it's only since last december that ive consistently been subscribing. it had to do with: - finally getting the SP to fly advanced ships with T2 weapons and relevant skills (yes, it matters in pvp, at least the t2 weapons part) - finding a great corp with chill people who like to do different things (sup TI) - learning how to survive - and the most important one: becoming almost completely desensitized to ship loss, which prevents eve burn-outs that i had before; this was the biggest hurdle to overcome....but once i learned how to make isk and to pvp smart in cheap ships, it was good so why did i play the other two mmo's? simple, they had a few things eve will never have: - i could log on and instantly do my thing; if i wanted to pvp, id immediately get into a queue and pvp; if i wanted to do a raid on the other continent, id teleport, instantly find a group, and do it (clone jumps are a ***** due to standing requirement) - no punishment for being stupid in pvp --> no burnout - wow's environments were bloody attractive, and very well animated! (eve is sloooowly getting there) but yes, once u learn to love it, eve is really a cool game.
UMEE Tactical Initiative Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.04.02 04:26:00 - [58] Edited by: UMEE on 02/04/2009 04:26:35 double post
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.04.02 04:34:00 - [59] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Bullageddon RL is the most hardcore MMO around. Unfortunately the GMs don't pay attention, the graphics sucks, and most everyone carebears. Well at least the economy is getting rebalanced! and the fps is hard to beat
Ulysses Odysseus	Posted - 2009.04.02 04:35:00 - [60] Originally by: UMEE Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto It's not very hard to rate EVE as "the greatest mmo of all time," as there isn't a lot of competition. As a general principal, MMO's are worse than awful. The only thing that could compare is Planetside, except that game got worse with every single update and was left to languish. there are quite a few decent mmo's out there. city of heroes and wow being two of em. but here's where eve grew on me: when i hit end-game for the other two, i died a little inside. ive been on and off with eve since beta! but it's only since last december that ive consistently been subscribing. it had to do with: - finally getting the SP to fly advanced ships with T2 weapons and relevant skills (yes, it matters in pvp, at least the t2 weapons part) - finding a great corp with chill people who like to do different things (sup TI) - learning how to survive - and the most important one: becoming almost completely desensitized to ship loss, which prevents eve burn-outs that i had before; this was the biggest hurdle to overcome....but once i learned how to make isk and to pvp smart in cheap ships, it was good so why did i play the other two mmo's? simple, they had a few things eve will never have: - i could log on and instantly do my thing; if i wanted to pvp, id immediately get into a queue and pvp; if i wanted to do a raid on the other continent, id teleport, instantly find a group, and do it (clone jumps are a *** due to standing requirement) - no punishment for being stupid in pvp --> no burnout - wow's environments were bloody attractive, and very well animated! (eve is sloooowly getting there) but yes, once u learn to love it, eve is really a cool game. I have a similar experience. My first MMO was EQ and I've dabbled in others but they all seemed to be just a remake of EQ. Until I found EVE. It was so different that I really want to keep playing it. Not to say EQ was bad; it was **ing awesome. I just got burned out on that style of game. WoW IS a good game (though the community leaves much to be desired) but comparing it to EVE is pointless, they are far too different to compare. It just depends on what you want from an MMO. I wanted something with more depth so I like EVE.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2009.04.02 05:34:00 - [61] Originally by: EFT Warrior Mitnal - Deliverer of bad puns and swift forum justice. Hmm, that might end up being my motto. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.02 06:44:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Originally by: Tag Heuer Nice post. But CCP will still not give you a free month's play for brown-nosing. Watch it! Wait, can CCP also TAKE one month from you if you smack and trashtalk 'em enuf? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Omaku Toba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.04.02 11:26:00 - [63] Only played two other MMO's and yes Eve is the best so far. WoW has been dragged down by an over complicated class balance, a lack of gamestyle innovation, and an apparantly useless development team determined to dumb the game down to make it more accesible to the swarms of idiots that infest its servers but ultimately make up the bulk of their revenue. Eve on the other hand does not trap the players into specific roles in the game whose performance at the mercy of the developers whims, new content doesn't leave older content relegated to retro content that is played out of nostalgia, and rather than dumbing things down to encourage more players they chose to create more tutorials to teach the basics. I know from long experience that although WoW has a far bigger player base the majority of those are terrible at the game and rely on a few good players to carry them through content. In Eve I'm sure you have terrible players too but they seem to be less common.

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