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Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.03.31 19:01:00 - [61] If you are implying that my cyclone is fail, or that my shield buffered arty rupture is fail..... Clearly you need more pvp. It's purely situational, depends on what you want. Cyclone is great as a fast moving, long range platform with it's large drone bay, shield tank (which give you PG space to fit arty's), and missile hard points. I die less in a cyclone then a cane, why? Because it's faster (armor tanks are not nimble in any way.), it can hit from farther away and stay out of gun/web range, and it has a tanking bonus. Mael has 8 freaking guns, that's alot of damage, and you have low slots to fit damage mods. None of the minny shield tanked ships really have alot of room for ewar, but thats the case with most shield tanks. Shield tanks have less mass as well for wormholes, another plus. I have a ton of skills in both armor and shield tanking, i'm minnie so it's a necessary evil. There are a million ship set ups, don't get stuck in the "this ships sucks because I can't fit it XYZ way. My favorite gank rupture set up, which does 400+ dps, has a large shield extender as buffer. Paired with a jamming ship this thing is an absolute monster. Stop, hammer time.
fmercury Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.31 20:31:00 - [62] Edited by: fmercury on 31/03/2009 20:31:13 Active shield tanks are more efficient in terms of cap/hp than their armor equivalents. Shield boosters operate at the start of the cycle rather than at the end. Shield tanks have a higher peak hp/sec tanked than their armor equivalents. Passive shield tanking has a recharge, passive armor tanking has no such recharge. There's more to the dichotomy than "Hurr, shield tanking hulls are worse than armor tanking hulls," even if it were true (It's not) Hope this helps.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:22:00 - [63] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 30/03/2009 18:44:55 Originally by: digital0verdose Well then, since you are infallible on this topic, CCP must be screwing with you since I can go look at the Ships and Modules forums and BattleClinic loadouts for the Hurricane and see numerous posts and highly recommended fits recommending shield tanking. The conclusion at this point is either you are doing something wrong or they are all idiots and when I see someone with an ! for a picture, especially one that is telling newbies what not to do when Vets recommend the opposite, I am going to assume the issue is you. are you sure you aren't going to bowlclinic, because on battleclinic there aren't any shield tanking cane fits that are for pvp that don't say "this is obviously inferior to the armor tank versions on here but i wanted to see if it was at least possible to fit" followed by a ton of thumb downs. How am I doing something wrong, I'm not using my fits, I'm not using my skills. You narrow minded plebeian. As I said several times it has nothing to do with the fit, but all you forum warriors on here immediately respond with "well you fit must suck" to every single post as if your one of those dolls with the pull string in the back. And to add to you obvious idiocy, what vets recommend shield tanking over armor, it is a given around here that almost everyone armor tanks because it's common knowledge that it's superior; I was only offing a reasoning WHY it is superior. So how about you get your head extracted from your arse and think before you wave your epeen. Use T2 ships. --
Tara'Quoya Rax Black-Sun	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:52:00 - [64] Minmatar don't tank, Minmatar dodge.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:20:00 - [65] I'm gallente and amarr spec and I just trained shield tanking skills for my ships, including the myrmidon because shield buffer + gank in lows >>>>>>> armor buffer. You have a few more mid slots to play with but thats of no interest in a gang situation really. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.04.01 08:06:00 - [66] Edited by: Dasalt Istgut on 01/04/2009 08:10:09 Troll post. Btw, 800k SP isn't much. Shield tanking is fine. The only time I think shield tanking is very bad is for remote rep BS gangs and that's only because enough of the people in the gang will be in ships you have no choice but to armor tank that you'll need to armor tank your shield tank ship anyway. Active and passive shield tanks are both very strong, both for PVP and PVE.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.04.01 11:11:00 - [67] Originally by: General Coochie I'm gallente and amarr spec and I just trained shield tanking skills for my ships, including the myrmidon because shield buffer + gank in lows >>>>>>> armor buffer. You have a few more mid slots to play with but thats of no interest in a gang situation really. Agreed. I love my shield Deimos in a gang with adequate tackle, The Brutix and Myrm can shieldgank really well as well. ---
DWEr Minmatar UK Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:14:00 - [68] Edited by: DWEr on 01/04/2009 12:15:45 to the OP. firstly i'm not sure if your trolling, but you only have a Total SP: 6,314,448 when you get to 30mill sp and find your having issues then that is the time to complain. i myself am purly pvp spec, focused on armor tanking. i have 120skills and 54mill sp. all those armor tank skills are lvl 5. i also have a second char that is purly a command ship focus'd char, shield tank ina vulture to be precise. all relevant skills at level 5 with 80 skills and 34mill sp. from my expierence a shield tank is far superior than an armor tank when is comes to the total dps you can absorb, for mission running. then again you dont really need anything more than a 800dps tank when running lvl 4's. i have tried the minnie CS with centus-x reppers and harders and not managed to surpass that of Gist-X booster on my vulture when running a mission. perhaps i had a wrong setup but im pretty sure i have explored alot of setups, and the sheild tank is win. when it comes to pvp its a mixed bag. i dont believe u can translate a mission running boat setup to a pvp setup...namly being cap stable running all your mods in a mission, as opposed engaged in pvp and dealing with nos and other annoyances, so you have to balance when you use modules and so forth. so imo go get more skills, and pvp expierence and then post here to complain just my two cents ;D
The Tzar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:34:00 - [69] Shield tanking = faster ships, self-regenrating tank, space for damage/engineering/mobility mods, instantly boosted active tanking, better hardener in the shape of an invul. Fail post. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:42:00 - [70] Quote: i have tried the minnie CS with centus-x reppers Yeah maybe you are doing something wrong when trying to armor tank the minnie CS --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:01:00 - [71] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 30/03/2009 18:44:55 Originally by: digital0verdose Well then, since you are infallible on this topic, CCP must be screwing with you since I can go look at the Ships and Modules forums and BattleClinic loadouts for the Hurricane and see numerous posts and highly recommended fits recommending shield tanking. The conclusion at this point is either you are doing something wrong or they are all idiots and when I see someone with an ! for a picture, especially one that is telling newbies what not to do when Vets recommend the opposite, I am going to assume the issue is you. are you sure you aren't going to bowlclinic, because on battleclinic there aren't any shield tanking cane fits that are for pvp that don't say "this is obviously inferior to the armor tank versions on here but i wanted to see if it was at least possible to fit" followed by a ton of thumb downs. How am I doing something wrong, I'm not using my fits, I'm not using my skills. You narrow minded plebeian. As I said several times it has nothing to do with the fit, but all you forum warriors on here immediately respond with "well you fit must suck" to every single post as if your one of those dolls with the pull string in the back. And to add to you obvious idiocy, what vets recommend shield tanking over armor, it is a given around here that almost everyone armor tanks because it's common knowledge that it's superior; I was only offing a reasoning WHY it is superior. So how about you get your head extracted from your arse and think before you wave your epeen. Hurricane with 1 LSE II 1 MWD 1 INVul II 1 SensorB II 6 720mm II 2 damaeg mods 2 range mods 2 PDS.... Profit.....
Omaku Toba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:25:00 - [72] After reading all this I'm so confused. Seems the best option is just to train up shields and armor tanking skills to the max and fit whatever works best for a given ship and situation.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:15:00 - [73] Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 01/04/2009 17:21:28 Originally by: Jarod Leercap Very useful info Thank you for responding in a well laid out manner and answering a lot of questions I've had. I want to shield tank something that can generally survive in low sec space, be it running missions or defending myself against pirate attacks. The problem I have is other than T2 command ships or battleships every ship I try to fit with a shield tank seems to have such horrible slot layout, lower cpu, lower powergrid, and in general will get spanked by the armor tanked ships. No ship other than the bellicose and the cyclone seem to have more than 3 mid slots. The bellicose doesn't even have enough powergrid to fill all of it's slots even if I were to have all skills to V and every time i compair cyclone shield fittings against hurricane armor fittings the hurricane has better DPS, better EHP, and still has utility slots to spare. Now to all of you who came in here for no purpose other than to flame me. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TIERS IN EACH SHIP CLASS. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. perhaps being in all caps you will be able to read that this time, but most likely I will have to restate it about 10 more times because you refuse to argue the actual point here but instead argue the same point I'm trying to make like a fool. It is a flaw that there are different tiers in each class because then one ship in each class is inherently better so if you happen to play a race who's tier 1 cruiser has bonuses to the type of modules you skill for and the tier 2 is the opposite you end up either with the inferior ship because your combat style preference is different or you are forced to take the obviously superior ship and fit some crazy set up that doesn't quite work. That is my whole issue here and all of you who come in screaming "you dummy of course it's better it's a tier 2 ship" you are proving my point. There would be a much broader variety of fittings and ships in space if the 4 cruisers of a race offered the same overall performance but were different in how they achieved it and what bonuses they received. instead of the current set up where you can fly this crap ship that nobody flies or the the better one that everyone flies because it's tier 2.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:25:00 - [74] Originally by: Impolite Andevil One other important point to consider: Most of the really good minmatar PvP ships are tech 2 ships, and with 6 mil skill points... Stick to the stabber and the rupture. Both of which are excellent ships, by the way. You are basing your understanding of the entire mechanic of shield tanking on very little experience, fairly crappy skills (yes, your 800k points is pretty crappy), and only the tech 1 ships, which don't even scratch the surface of minamtar PvP options. Go hop in a stabber, learn to fit it and fly it as it should be done (LSE buffer tank, speed, and autocannons for a heavy tackler), and then decide if shield tanks are broken or useless... I would but my stabber that has a whole 1 slot to fit a single LSE II will get blown to bits by any armor tanked rupture that dishes out a third more damage and has twice the EHP.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:31:00 - [75] But that stabber is far faster and can always run. It is true that the better minnie t1 ships are the armor tanked ones in general (with some exceptions like maelstrom vs pest). But how did you get from that to CCP gave up on shield tanking? And check the minnie t2 ships, basicly all of them are shield tanked. Vaga: shield tanked, muninn: not tanked. Scimi: shield tanked. Rapier/huginn: shield tanked. Command ships: shield tanked. Marauder: shield tanked. Black ops: not a clue. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:44:00 - [76] Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 01/04/2009 17:46:10 Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 01/04/2009 17:44:41 Originally by: Furb Killer But that stabber is far faster and can always run. It is true that the better minnie t1 ships are the armor tanked ones in general (with some exceptions like maelstrom vs pest). But how did you get from that to CCP gave up on shield tanking? And check the minnie t2 ships, basicly all of them are shield tanked. Vaga: shield tanked, muninn: not tanked. Scimi: shield tanked. Rapier/huginn: shield tanked. Command ships: shield tanked. Marauder: shield tanked. Black ops: not a clue. Which is exactly where my point comes from. I prefer to shield tank, it just feels more right to me. I don't want to have to wait 5 months when i can fly a command ship before I can really start getting ships that are built to shield tank. Ok, lets go over this again, tier (not tech) 2 ships in a class will be better than tier 1 ships in the same class. This is a fact and not something that has any grey ground to contend. Most of you agree to this and even somehow use it to argue against me even though this is my point. next, in most cases the shield tank ships fall under tier 1 while the armor tanking ships fall into tier 2. although you can tank a ship for shields that is design to armor tank in pvp where a buffer is more important that regen it is generally a screwy fitting that lacks the most important pvp modules. This is where i get my conclusion. why relegate the shield tanking ships to the lower tiers therefore making a system in which the shield tanking ships by virtue of being lower ranked in tier are inferior to their armor tanking counterparts in the same class. All of the above points are things that most of you have said and equal out to the issue I have, yet you still insist on arguing points completely off of the topic I was attempting to discuss. But I guess that's what I get for trying to post on a forum. Everything here always turns into people each arguing their own points based on a few words they picked out of the post and extrapolated into their own argument not based on the OP. (Furb this is not directed at you, I just included it in the post with your quote to save time and not have to post again.)
Khandahar Bob	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:30:00 - [77] It's not as simple as saying a higher tier is better; it's got different uses. I know Caldari ships, so I'll talk in that context. The Caracal is a tier 2 ship, the Moa is a tier 3 ship; but I see very few Moas in low-sec or 0.0 as compared to the number of Caracals I see. A higher tier ship may have more grid or CPU, but you can't compare its statistics in a vacuum. You have to think about what you're planning to do with the ship. A Caracal has more med slots, a faster base speed and is more agile. That makes it a better heavy tackler than the Moa as it can close faster, has slots for a warp disruptor and can get out faster if necessary. My advice is ignore the raw statistics and get into a ship that works the way you want it to (a shield tanker) and fly it for a while. Do it on the test server if you have to. Speed and agility are a form of tank -- though ineffective if you're trying to use a cruiser's speed and agility to tank a frigate. They're also a damage amplifier: if you're in a fast boat that can fit shorter range weapons and ammunition and get close you're going to do more damage than if you're in a slow boat which can't get close and has to use long-range weapons and ammunition.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:41:00 - [78] I am a complete ass and have been looking at this in a very wrong way. I have been wrong on just about everything I said because I was basing my opinion on the cruisers and battlecruisers of the minmatari line and have read the forums so much that "MUST HAVE MWD AND WD" has been too pounded into my head. I take full responsibility for my idiocy and i apologize to all of you who were forced to read my rants here. I am trying every so hard to break free off the mentality instilled in me by the loudest around here who's views I allowed to overtake my original thoughts that there are many ships and many fittings. After posting fittings for the rupture and hurricane that had shield tanks and being ridiculed so many times I bought into the "1 build to rule them all" mentality and even began arguing for it. I took a great step in my recovery today and pulled my passive shield tanked hurricane (which has recieved nothing but flame) from storage and flew it. I had no WD and it felt strange but that is the first step to recovery. Again, you guys have been correct and it was my own logic that was flawed and tainted by my anger the resentment that the best t1 cruiser, the rupture, is such a better armor tank and the bellicose (the ship i wanted to fly when i first started) sucks so horribly.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Omaku Toba After reading all this I'm so confused. Seems the best option is just to train up shields and armor tanking skills to the max and fit whatever works best for a given ship and situation. Yeah this really.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.01 21:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Omaku Toba After reading all this I'm so confused. Seems the best option is just to train up shields and armor tanking skills to the max and fit whatever works best for a given ship and situation. Yeah this really. Agreed. 100 MN dual shield buffered cane with damage and speed mods in it's lows and arty's is alot of fun lol. Stop, hammer time.
Victoria Akmea Gallente Sentient Biotechnology Invention	Posted - 2009.04.01 22:15:00 - [81] Edited by: Victoria Akmea on 01/04/2009 22:18:17 Edited by: Victoria Akmea on 01/04/2009 22:15:46 This is just for the comment that shield tanking sucks period. I don't fly Minmatar ships, I'm exclusively Gallente. Currently, in a passive shield Ishtar. Lows, all Beta Reactor Shield Power Relays, meds are 2 LSEIIs and 3 slots for mission specific amplifiers. No, I do not use shield hardeners. It's purely passive, since I use my cap for running a Tractor and 2 salvagers. I also use 2 Core Defence Field Purger I rigs. Now, with mediocre shield tanking skills > Comps at 3, Management 3, Operation V, Upgrades 3, Tactical 1, I can easily tank WC4, both sides, even with just T2 amps. I can do even more with the faction amps I'm using now. With the build I'm basing mine off of, which had Officer amps instead, it could easily tank serp/guristas L5 missions with probably around 97% Kin resist, 82% or so Therm. I pick up 95%/79%, respectively. As I said, I don't know about Minmatar ship. But shield tanking is not lost. Edit Just fixing a mistype. Added the Rigs, that I forgot.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.04.01 23:26:00 - [82] Originally by: Rogue Lilly I took a great step in my recovery today and pulled my passive shield tanked hurricane (which has recieved nothing but flame) from storage and flew it. I had no WD and it felt strange but that is the first step to recovery. You have to focus on what you want to achieve, then pick which ship and fitout best suits your needs, the fleet you're flying with and the expected enemies.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.02 01:40:00 - [83] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 01/04/2009 17:21:28 I want to shield tank something that can generally survive in low sec space, be it running missions or defending myself against pirate attacks. Here is your issue. Just a heads up, no tank you fit will keep you alive if I tackle you. Prevention. Learn it.

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