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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.01 06:07:00 -
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What I don't understand is that with all the "law enforcement" elements in the game and CCP out to eliminate any exploits, they allow this to go on.
Technically setting up such a contract constitutes "fraud" and would involve law enforcement (CONCORD).
Something should be done about this because it compromises the contract system in the game and makes it almost pointless.
It's as if you go and buy something on the market only to find out that you paid for nothing because it's not their waiting for you at the station.
So what makes courier contracts so different CCP?
Scams don't make the system pointless. You need to learn how to discern between the legit and the fraudulent.
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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.02 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rathelm
Originally by: Takemikazuki
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What I don't understand is that with all the "law enforcement" elements in the game and CCP out to eliminate any exploits, they allow this to go on.
Technically setting up such a contract constitutes "fraud" and would involve law enforcement (CONCORD).
Something should be done about this because it compromises the contract system in the game and makes it almost pointless.
It's as if you go and buy something on the market only to find out that you paid for nothing because it's not their waiting for you at the station.
So what makes courier contracts so different CCP?
Scams don't make the system pointless. You need to learn how to discern between the legit and the fraudulent.
Ironically this type of activity is by its very nature fraud. And to save you the work I took the dictionary definition and placed it here for you. Keep in mind the contract was most likely created knowing the recipient couldn't deliver the item.
Main Entry:fraud
Pronunciation:\ˈfrȯd\
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date:14th century
1 a: deceit , trickery ; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor ; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
synonyms see deception, imposture
I'm not arguing against the perception that the contract had a fraudulent intention.
What I am arguing against is the notion that the ability to scam renders the contract system pointless.
But the system isn't pointless. The potential for scams just means that one should be careful and learn to discern between the legit and the fraudulent.
This is New Eden, not Earth, and the legal ramifications of certain actions don't easily compare.
More responsibility is given to the individual in New Eden. If I steal the ore you spent the last hour mining the space police don't intervene, they just give you the right to retalitate.
As for the ability to scam and fraud, I think these are essential to the game. It gives a high value to the trustworthy and it encourages caution in dealing with potential profitable schemes.
The scams do not hinder the market - they develop it and makes it dynamic and interesting. It's kinda like a darwinian filter option.
No one is forcing you to buy a 2000ISK worth module to 500 mill. No one is forcing you to accept a contract that is designed to get you ganked or loosing the collateral. No one is enforcing you to invest half your wallet into some shady IPO scheme that promise everything yet gives you nothing.
Sure, it is not very pleasant to be the victim of fraud, but take it as a learning experience and move on.
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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.03 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rathelm
And what I'm saying is your point is pointless. No matter whether this is Earth or New Eden, a contract represents straight law. You're trying to defend poor programming.
It's not like the guy got scammed from poor judgement. He got scammed because the game failed to give him all the information that a real world company would ask for. FedEx wouldn't deliver to a company that is unwilling to accept their packages.
Poor judgement on behalf of the courier or failure to obtain information on docking rights - call it what you will. But it has nothing to do with bad programming.
The fact is that there are tools within the game that can be used to gather information.
You mention FedEx. But the regular capsuleer ain't FedEx. So, if in doubt about a particular contract the regular capsuleer could take a quick chat with one of the established hauler corporations to obtain advise on how to approach contracts such as these.
What you seem to crave is a system that involves no judgement on the part of the player.
Yeah, someone fresh out might not know about docking rights. But then again, such knowledge goes with the trade and if one wants to become a hauler one should do some homework on the particulars involved.
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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.03 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rathelm
Originally by: Takemikazuki
Edited by: Takemikazuki on 03/04/2009 06:19:42
Originally by: Rathelm
And what I'm saying is your point is pointless. No matter whether this is Earth or New Eden, a contract represents straight law. You're trying to defend poor programming.
It's not like the guy got scammed from poor judgement. He got scammed because the game failed to give him all the information that a real world company would ask for. FedEx wouldn't deliver to a company that is unwilling to accept their packages.
Poor judgement on behalf of the courier or failure to obtain information on docking rights - call it what you will. But it has nothing to do with bad programming.
The fact is that there are tools within the game that can be used to gather information.
You mention FedEx. But the regular capsuleer ain't FedEx. So, if in doubt about a particular contract the regular capsuleer could take a quick chat with one of the established hauler corporations to obtain advise on how to approach contracts such as these. That is perhaps the quickest route.
What you seem to crave is a system that involves no judgement on the part of the player.
Yeah, someone fresh out might not know about docking rights. But then again, such knowledge goes with the trade and if one wants to become a hauler one should do some homework on the particulars involved.
It still comes down to the fact that there is no easy mechanism to tell if you have docking permission short of flying to the system. The game doesn't tell you what you are shipping just the size. And I mean that would be one of the first things a shipping company would want to know especially if they're going to insure the item (which is basically what you're doing by putting up collateral). It's not a good system and in no way should be defended.
I stand by the fact the OP did not show poor judgement. He made it to the station for god's sake and got screwed because the person abused the fact that the courier contract doesn't show what you're shipping. You have to have good faith in the player to actually keep the collateral at a value of what is being shipped. These people abuse a loophole in game mechanics to screw people and cast doubt on the whole system.
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