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Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.03 14:52:00 - [1] Originally by: Faffywaffy I regularly get lucky against all kinds of newbs. The rocket crow, when properly fitted and flown is on par with a pulse crusader. It is, is it? +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.03 17:11:00 - [2] This is the one i meant to link Also,you've lost twice in a 1v1 with a claw but you've never lost a crusader 1v1. but that's descending into smack and derail so lets not go there. back on topic, rockets suck. a rocket launcher on a vengeance with its +25% damage bonus and faction rockets does exactly the same damage as a completely unbonused 200mm autocannon with barrage. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.03 19:31:00 - [3] No not a 'simple' comparison at all. I'm fully aware of falloff and tracking will reduce autocannon DPS. But so will sigradius and linear speed to a rocket. Using Stafens' missile damage calculator and you see that rockets vs an MWD'ing inty in an orbit of 3000m/s suffer a 68.1% reduction to damage. Easily matching if not out-stripping the autocannons damage reduction. To regrade the damage reduction through motion of just autocannons and ignore damage reduction of missiles under the same criteria would be "EFT ftl", "meaningless" and "stupid". So, given that both rockets and autocannons suffer approximately the same percentage of damage reduction against the same target under the same conditions then it really does boil down to which has the higher base DPS and my original point that a rocket launcher II with +15% faction ammo and +25% ship bonus will only match an unbonused 200mm autocannon with barrage still stands. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.04 00:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Faffywaffy A fully tackled inty (scram+web) is not going to go 3000m/s and the damage reduction to missiles is going to be negligible. The falloff reduction from Barrage is going to be in the 30%-50% range. Fit a crow with autocannons and come to Syndicate. I'll take you in my rocket crow any time :-) Rockets deliver consistent, reliable DPS at acceptable quantities while freeing the ship to perform maneuvers to reduce the damage done to it. A turret-fit ship can't reduce the DPS applied to it without reducing its own DPS. Heck, what am I saying?? Boost rockets! Again though, you can't have a basis for comparison by using bunch of arbitrary conditions. In your example you've got a Crow (double missile damage bonus and range bonus) running a scram and web on a gun-neutral A-N-Other inty using unbonused autocannons at an perfect 9-10kM that you can dictate. If you want a fair comparison then swap the kinetic rockets for a different type. compare your now-unbonused rocket damage to unbonused autocannon damage. With all other conditions being equal. Your position is that the rocket crow is on a par with pulse crusader, you own kill record suggests otherwise as you have qualitatively better kills in your pulse sader (particularly this one). My position is a rocket crow (with double damage bonus and range bonus) is marginally behind any of the other short range intys (pulse sader, AC claw, blaster ranis). As soon as you get away from the crow and into a vengeance or a malediction you really start to see how bad rockets are. My solution is give rockets a 15% base damage boost and split the crows damage bonus into +5% kinetic damage and +5% standard missile damage. Standard missile crow remains the same, rocket crow gets a minor buff, vengeance and malediction a significant buff. Rocket crow gets keeps its range advantage vs malediction, Malediction gets variable damage vs rocket crow. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.04 08:57:00 - [5] Here's the thing, you keep using the crow as your base rocket boat. It's the bonuses of the crow that make rockets reasonable. As soon as you get in a vengeance or a malediction you see where rockets really are. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++

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