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Solar Trader
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Posted - 2009.04.02 01:32:00 -
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I was in jita and someome offered me about 4x the normal value for one of my faction mods.
They put in 300,000,000 isk and I put in the module, they accepted then I accepted than then the number CHANGED to 30,000,000 isk and the person re accepted and the trade went through.
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My Petition Contents:
Litel Gril opened a trade and offered me 300 Million isk in the window for my Centum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
Right after I pressed accept the ammount changed to 30 Million.
We were in Jita and he was using the lag to manipulate the isk in the window after he pressed accept.
CCP has confirmed this as a exploit months ago.
I told him this in a convo and his response was:
[21:21:38] Litel Gril > lol go f*** yourself
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GM Response:
Hello Solar,
People are allowed to try and scam through use of the trade window, as you have to accept the trade and if they change the value, your selection will be reset and have to be accepted again. I'm sorry but we are unable to assist you in this. If you have any other questions or problems, or would like your petition closed, please let me know.
Best regards,
GM Nythanos
EVE Online Customer Support Team
You heard it right here, according to GM's using lag to manipulate the trade window after both parties accepted is NOT a expoit.
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Kyle Langdon
Gallente
Killson Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.02 01:33:00 -
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IBTL
cant post GM replies up here mate
oh and first
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.02 01:38:00 -
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Escilate it to a GM who actually reads (And comprehends) the whole petition.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.02 01:40:00 -
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Greed is teh funny.
Just ignore Jita local and ignore windows trades.
Cesspool of crap that it is.
Scams get ridiculous.
CCP don't care at the moment but if the other trades and all the trade channels eventually get so polluted with scam spammers one day maybe they might.
There's always the forum trade channels though.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.02 01:54:00 -
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 Originally by: 5pinDizzy
CCP don't care at the moment but if the other trades and all the trade channels eventually get so polluted with scam spammers one day maybe they might.
Logged into my Jita alt this afternoon to bid on some contract. Local chat was so flooded with scams, not a single line of text was staying for more than 2 seconds. Absolutely pathetic that CCP hasn't banned scamming from public channels.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:12:00 -
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Lag or not, the OP deserves to be scammed for using direct trade... In Jita... With a stranger... Offering 4x the market price.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Lag or not, the OP deserves to be scammed for using direct trade... In Jita... With a stranger... Offering 4x the market price.
i'm not quoting this for truth or anything... just.. /runs
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This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:24:00 -
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ask for it to be escalated to a senior GM.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:49:00 -
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Stick to contracts.
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Fi Vantage
Minmatar
New Ligion
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Posted - 2009.04.02 03:00:00 -
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Reaffirming what others have said, just to up to info to noise ratio:
1. Escalate the petition.
2. Don't post it here, it'll just get locked.
On the subject of scam spam in local: why would ccp want to do anything about it? It's perfectly acceptable. Besides, one more reason for people to not enter/stay in Jita is a good thing.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.02 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Escalate it to a GM who actually reads (and comprehends) the whole petition.
Sadly, this.
Also, this bug was supposedly fixed many patches ago... who the hell broke it again ?
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 02/04/2009 04:40:23
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Blane Xero
Escalate it to a GM who actually reads (and comprehends) the whole petition.
Sadly, this.
Also, this bug was supposedly fixed many patches ago... who the hell broke it again ?
ccp Goondev?
nah, It was because of FALCON!!!!!
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 02/04/2009 04:40:23
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Blane Xero
Escalate it to a GM who actually reads (and comprehends) the whole petition.
Sadly, this.
Also, this bug was supposedly fixed many patches ago... who the hell broke it again ?
ccp Goondev?
nah, It was because of FALCON!!!!!
LMAO
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.04.02 05:52:00 -
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Welcome to EVE. Scamming is perfectly legit and if you don't like it WOW is that way... >>>>
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut
Welcome to EVE. Scamming is perfectly legit and if you don't like it WOW is that way... >>>>
Scamming isn't the issue. It's the normal trade window mechanism being circumvented. As in after both have agreed to the initial trade, one party unilaterally can change the price to what he likes and the deal goes through without giving you a chance to refuse the new deal.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:08:00 -
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Pay attention and use contracts when selling deadspace mods, duh
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.04.02 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 02/04/2009 06:17:33
IIRC, unless what the OP says is not actually the truth, this kind of 'scam' was actually deemed an exploit last time it came up. Looking for the linkage now...
Here tis. CCP Kieron on it.
Originally by: CCP kieron
There has been a recent spate of scamming in high-load systems whereby unscrupulous players are abusing the trade window exchange system. This has been labeled an exploit and a fix for the issue will be made as soon as possible.
Players who are abusing the trade window will be caught and actions taken against their accounts accordingly, up to and including permanent game bans.
As mentioned though, a fix was to be put in place. I recall this went ahead too, so either the OP is lying or the bug wasn't fully fixed, or has come back.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.02 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut
Welcome to EVE. Scamming is perfectly legit and if you don't like it WOW is that way... >>>>
Scamming =/= Abusing a known bug to give people no chance of avoiding other than completely ruling out a perfectly legit form of trade in one system.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2009.04.02 09:42:00 -
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So? Abusing latency (aka lag) to your advantage in online games has been known for years and years and to call it a "known bug" is probably the dumbest thing I've heard this month.
It is a issue. Not a bug. And the OP have no one else but *self to blame. |
Maria Kalista
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.02 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris
So? Abusing latency (aka lag) to your advantage in online games has been known for years and years and to call it a "known bug" is probably the dumbest thing I've heard this month.
It is a issue. Not a bug. And the OP have no one else but *self to blame.
What part of CCP Kierons reply on the subject did you not get? 
"...whereby unscrupulous players are abusing the trade window exchange system. This has been labeled an exploit and a fix for the issue will be made as soon as possible.
Players who are abusing the trade window will be caught and actions taken against their accounts accordingly, up to and including permanent game bans."
Originally by: tentonhammer
One galaxy, limited resources, 450K players who are all a little odd to begin with and a porous system of currency trading. Welcome to the asylum, let's take a tour! |
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:07:00 -
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Private contracts cost 10k ISK.
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Ajit Tilak
Gallente
Infinite Dreams Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ajit Tilak on 02/04/2009 10:52:37
ATTENTION NEW POD PILOTS. Please read the following it is important...
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Scamming isn't the issue.
It is ALWAYS about scamming UNLESS you KNOW the other pilot well. Assume any deal that seems to good to be true is. Assume any pilot you do not have a solid relationship with is out to scam you.
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
It's the normal trade window mechanism being circumvented. As in after both have agreed to the initial trade, one party unilaterally can change the price to what he likes and the deal goes through without giving you a chance to refuse the new deal.
NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER do a direct trade with a pilot you do not have a good working relationship. The contract system may seem a bit overkill but it ensures you do not get scammed, see above.
Now to the OP, I understand your frsutration and even share your revulsion at the kind of person that would pull such an act. However you said yourself that the trade was a way sweet deal and this alone should have begun to clue you in. You have fallen victim to the HARSH world that is EVE, this is both is blessing and it's curse.
File a petition if you feel you must and I wish you good luck with that. In the end however you need to learn this valuable lesson and move forward. Note the pilot that did this, set his standing to low and pod him when you get the chance.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Armoured Investments
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:55:00 -
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i dont think he telling us the ***** story since everytime i have done a direct trade when anything changes you have to re accept.
i think you press accept with out looking at the new changes 
looking for someone to teach me how to audit
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:07:00 -
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Im not too into trade system. Used it on some mining ops when I was a hauler to give out our ore to refiners and so...
First of all im sorry about your loss. But question is, how on Earth would a GM know if you are telling the truth? A guy erased a zero before clicking accept button... O_O this is not demonstrable at all.
Now I can yell "OMG someone scammed 1billion from me CCP tranfer 1billion to my wallet plzzz!!11" and obviously they won't.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ajit Tilak
In the end however you need to learn this valuable lesson
The lesson being "Do not trust the system to actually function as intended"? |
Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:15:00 -
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Exploit or not, using direct trade to sell stuff in Jita and then complaining that you got scammed on the forums: Priceless.
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Vincent Gaines
Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
i dont think he telling us the ***** story since everytime i have done a direct trade when anything changes you have to re accept.
i think you press accept with out looking at the new changes
When there's lag, it can actually send to the server that both sides have accepted before the other side even gets a notification that a change has taken place.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2009.04.02 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Digital Solaris
So? Abusing latency (aka lag) to your advantage in online games has been known for years and years and to call it a "known bug" is probably the dumbest thing I've heard this month.
It is a issue. Not a bug. And the OP have no one else but *self to blame.
What part of CCP Kierons reply on the subject did you not get?
"...whereby unscrupulous players are abusing the trade window exchange system. This has been labeled an exploit and a fix for the issue will be made as soon as possible.
Players who are abusing the trade window will be caught and actions taken against their accounts accordingly, up to and including permanent game bans."
All MMO developers, that I know of, is quick to define latency abuse as a "exploit", they also have a fix in the process that they are going to release ASAP...
Realistically, no, it is not an exploit as such. It is an issue though, but I don't think we are ever going to see a "fix" for latency abuse as long as there is network latency on a global scale.
Did you get that part? |
Letava
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris
All MMO developers, that I know of, is quick to define latency abuse as a "exploit", they also have a fix in the process that they are going to release ASAP...
Realistically, no, it is not an exploit as such. It is an issue though, but I don't think we are ever going to see a "fix" for latency abuse as long as there is network latency on a global scale.
Did you get that part?
An exploit, in MMO terms, is whatever the developers say it is. There's no universally applicable definition to allow you to decide CCP are wrong and it's not actually an exploit. It's an issue that cropped up previously allowing players to use lag to abuse the trade window mechanics, and it was fixed previously too. So it is something CCP can prevent, and it is an exploit. |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.02 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
i dont think he telling us the ***** story since everytime i have done a direct trade when anything changes you have to re accept.
i think you press accept with out looking at the new changes
The server got lagged. Essencially the Seller accepted, and whilst this acception code floated through the server and before it reached the Buyer (and thus would then warn the Seller if the parameters have been changed) the Buyer changes the terms of the sale. The server catches up, sees the trade has been mutually accepted for 30m (because the most recent version of events - the moment the code from the seller reaches the buyer and server - is taken as the true version.)
Clear exploit. Repetition at a higher level and get your lost 270m ISK back.
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Sweaty Minge
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Posted - 2009.04.02 12:38:00 -
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ibtl
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.04.02 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Neamus on 02/04/2009 12:59:39
Originally by: Sweaty Minge
ibtl
You win the Neamus monthly award for most amusing character name in EvE
Edit: Actually surprised they let you have that..
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