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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 17:46:00 -
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I kind of disagree. EvE is much more interesting when you don't know how stuff works. It's the discovery that's fun.
If you're the kind of person for whom learning isn't fun then so sorry, wrong game etc.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2009 17:57:48
Originally by: Digital Solaris
Originally by: Cailais reserved ? What for?
Bellum's psychic powers? Akita doing a spell-check? Find out tomorrow!
Find out in a couple of minutes (as in, now), actually
Originally by: Malcanis I kind of disagree. EvE is much more interesting when you don't know how stuff works. It's the discovery that's fun. If you're the kind of person for whom learning isn't fun then so sorry, wrong game etc.
It's one thing to learn from information that's readily available at the push of a button. It's another thing to learn by reading a wiki, several subforums, doing a couple of google searches and still coming up with 2-3 different explanations for the same thing, having to actually go on SiSi to test it first to see which one is true or not (if SiSi has the same version as TQ), or trying it on TQ with disastruous consequences.
Let's recall, EVE is essentially a GAME. You don't really want information about a GAME to be nearly as hard to get as information about RL stuff is.
The hilariously incomplete documentation encourages in-game socialising, and is also a rich, never-ending source of forum comedy.
Besides, I'm not that bright, I'm usually drunk, and I'm god-dambed lazy. If an idle dimwit souse like me can figure stuff out then no other vertebrate has an excuse.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Except that CCP *wants* a lot more players
Yeah, and they've been getting them.
EvE doesn't come with good instructions, true. Neither does RL and that gets over 6 billion subs.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Isilwen Nightfall
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis Yeah, and they've been getting them. EvE doesn't come with good instructions, true. Neither does RL and that gets over 6 billion subs.
And WOW sucks as a game compared to EVE in almost every aspect except hand-holding, but it has far over 10 mil subs, which are voluntary, not "no choice" as RL-the-MMG is
WoW does not get its subrscriptions for its tooltips. It gets its subscriptions due to the fact that there's no need for them.
Nicely put.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Buster Gonads
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Akita T Except that CCP *wants* a lot more players
Yeah, and they've been getting them.
EvE doesn't come with good instructions, true. Neither does RL and that gets over 6 billion subs.
Non sequitur for the loss Mr Malcanis. I like the op's post. You've been too long in the goldfish bowl but you don't know it.
Something that I thought was very instructive was watching a CCP employee demonstrate something to an audience during a presentation (something on YouTube). He had trouble finding and clicking an option on one of the right-click context menus, with much knowing laughter from the audience. The reason this is instructive is because it shows how even being an expert is no guarantee of success with a crap user interface.
I was going to put up a post about RSI (there have been enough over the years). I don't think CCP put UI high enough on the priority list. You don't need masses of "help" pages ifyou make a good UI from the start. If you do it right, it should be easy for a user to discover how things work in a more natural way. With Eve, not only are you in the dark most of the time, you're presented with the whole caboodal from the start and the widgets are so tiny or ill positioned you'll fracture your Capitate in no time at all.
I'm not arguing gainst a better UI.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:48:00 -
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"Be careful what you wish for..."
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jennifer Celeste anyone else find it ironic that the OP is still PAYING to play?
Yeah, because admiting from the start it's the best game out there WHILE STILL HAVING A LOT OF CORRECTABLE FLAWS is very ironic...
Listen.
You should calm down.
Eve isn't perfect, nor will it ever be. Nor can it ever be. Get yourself a cold beer and accept that fact. It's not essential that every last guy that tries out the game subs up for life.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.03 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonspirit
Originally by: Megan Maynard
It's called a corp, new players shouldn't be allowed to play the way they want, in a rookie corp, it's a terrible in every way. (Macro, dumb players, lack of strong empire corp recruiting.)
Imagine if the rookie corps had a higher tax, high enough that macro profits would be terrible, new players would *gasp seek out corps instead of floundering away that shiny new cruiser with armor and shield tanks into Rancer?
Just a thought.
Kinda think CCP's heard this before, and fixed that for you...
Yes indeed, and I believe a certain Dev had something to say about joining a player corp, did he not...?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.07 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Franga I love how Akita T always posts in such constructive and positive ways. Never with a hint of condescension or arrogance.
Oh, I'm one of the moderate ones. You should see Xaen on a bad day talking about the UI... and he's not the only one. It is constructive posting, but I abandoned being all polite and considerate a while ago, just not worth the effort.
Hey maybe I should start another round of threads on hi-sec missioning, just to make you look fluffy and cuddly?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.11 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium I will add:
- Can we get a "repackage all" and "sell all" options?????
Or at least make it like the reprocessing screen, you tick every single thing u want.
It would save hours of selling ****ty loot after some missions and having 200+ garbage on the hangar.
Anyways I usually reprocess all the crap, but wait, there might be a valuable module (millions) that reprocessed could turn into 3tritanium and 1megacyte.... ehhhhr...
CTRL-A -> right click -> repackage
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.11 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: KalEl Trask The best guides have come from some of the players by far, I give them all of the praise for their patience and dedictation.
I love this about Eve personally.
Yeah I see it as a positive, not a negative.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Killiashandra Ree I think its in CCPs interest to pursue difficulty though obsufication, as a games designer and veteran MMO player, its a pretty neat trick to design one of the easiest and most simplistic combat mechanics in any MMO, and then make it look more complicated than your rivals combat mechanics.
See how many posters here think Eve is hard, when your character has no instant skills, no reactive skill, almost complete absence of "counter" mechanics once you have fitted your ship, extremely slow paced fight mechanics, and far far fewer available actions than are available to other chars in other games. All of this hidden by an unergonomic barely documented interface.
Of course once you get used to it, its no problem to kill people semi-afk while you're simultaneously scoring a word first boss kill in another game.
I guess thats one of the attractive things about eve, its very easy to be effective in game while doing other stuff, like watching TV or reading. Most other MMOs force you into constant button clicking just to stay alive, let alone make a living.
And along with another point expressed in this thread, the lack of knowledge of some GMs is astounding, Ive seen the most amazing inaccurate crap spouted by them in the rookie/help channels. Don't even get me started on trusting advice given by other players, asking another player for help in this game... you might as well just dump your ISK in a can and SD your ship..the net result is pretty much the same.
8/10 not bad.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 20/04/2009 15:01:23
Oh and have I mentioned a tendency of "breaking stuff by fixing things that aren't broken" too ? And let's not even dwell too much on the "I told you so" moments with regards to the "EVE box". On second thought, let's.
Seriously, NOT including the largest patch to date on the boxed DVD, forcing people who probably want to buy the box to AVOID large downloads to make a huge download... ouch. You could have either delayed the box launch a couple of weeks OR you could have at least included a PARTIAL patch with most of the graphic assets or whatnot, and only force people to make a much smaller incremental patch from the boxed set version.... but no...
Guess how much the box sells in some stores ? Cheaper than a 60-day GTC, and there's a 60-day GTC included inside the box ! Tells you something about its "success", doesn't it ?
It's been very successful at getting me some cheap gametime!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Onus Mian I'm still learning new stuff about Eve whereas in other MMO's I've played you can usually get the hand of everything in next to no time.
Likewise. Which is one of the main reasons I'm still playing.
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