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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.05 00:32:00 -
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I'm not going to lie, this business opportunity is a bit strange. I am planing a heist the likes of which eve has never seen before! OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration. I'll explain the plan below and then what I'd like from you guys. (Obviously none of the operatives can be linked to this account in any way or I wouldn't be posting this hear)
I have 2 operatives embedded inside a fairly well known but small 0.0 alliance. One of these operatives has gained the trust of the alliance and has access to all the corp hangers. A hanger containing several valuable items (office and faction mods mostly) has been selected and the plan is move a jump freighter in, take all the shiny things and then jump away as fast as I can. I am expecting to pull between 40B and 75B worth of items (depending on how much is there when I start the operation, and how much it will all sell for on the market afterwards). I wont do this for less than 40B worth of items.
The single problem with the plan is, while I have a jump capable pilot, I need to get an Anshar to pull it off.
So, I am taking the strange step of looking for investors to help me pull this off. I can supply half of the isk for the Anshar myself, so I am looking for approximately 10 people to forward 200M ISK each. In return you will receive a 5% cut of the profits (as im putting up 50% of the isk myself). This will make a return of between 10 and 18 times (or higher if I get REALLY lucky).
I can provide some very limited details for investors and I can provide proof of the isk that I will be fronting and the pilot that will be flying it all back. I will also be recording the whole thing so you will receive an un-edited copy of the whole thing. (An edited version will get posted to the forums at a later date)
If you wish to remain anonymous please contact me in game (evemail myself) and I will get back to you ASAP.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.04.05 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin I am taking the strange step of looking for investors to help me pull this off. I can supply half of the isk for the Anshar myself, so I am looking for approximately 10 people to forward 200M ISK each.
Why are you claiming to seek specifically 10 people with 200 million ISK each, rather than just trying to raise 2 billion ISK, perhaps from a single person? Is it because you think that people with only 200 million ISK to invest are more likely to be gullible than those with more ISK?
If you truly had the trust of this alliance, why not simply borrow a couple of billion ISK from them? Would that not make your purported 'heist' even more entertaining?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 00:52:00 -
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Sounds like one of those emails I get from Nigeria.
This isn't a business plan, this is a scheme.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.04.05 00:55:00 -
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"I'm a scammer and I need isk"
I guess it's a change from the usual "I'm not a scammer and I need isk"
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Lana Torrin I am taking the strange step of looking for investors to help me pull this off. I can supply half of the isk for the Anshar myself, so I am looking for approximately 10 people to forward 200M ISK each.
Why are you claiming to seek specifically 10 people with 200 million ISK each, rather than just trying to raise 2 billion ISK, perhaps from a single person? Is it because you think that people with only 200 million ISK to invest are more likely to be gullible than those with more ISK?
If you truly had the trust of this alliance, why not simply borrow a couple of billion ISK from them? Would that not make your purported 'heist' even more entertaining?
If someone wants to put up 2B isk I have no problems with that. The '10 shares at 200M each' was because, due to the nature of the investment, I cant provide 100% of the details and I don't actually expect anyone to front that kind of isk under those circumstances.
I have already attempted to get the target alliance to give me an Anshar (or access to one) or the remaining 2B isk, but they aren't stupid (infiltration isn't just a matter of walking up to an alliance and saying 'hay, i wana be a director'). I have also considered taking a few of the smaller items and selling them to raise the ISK, but this risks being caught before the big day. Its still an option if I cant raise the capital (but obviously something I would rather avoid).
I actually envisioned the investors to be people that already have several billion isk and risking 200M for a 10x (or more) return would be seen as a worth while risk.
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Ulecese
Ihatalo Research and Development Ihatalo Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:57:00 -
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It is the nature of the investment that is your biggest problem here. Folks who invest here tend to be the 'honorable' type and generally don't condone what you are proposing to do. You are better off posting this in crime and punishment. ------------------------------------ IHATALO CARTEL'S IGB T2 SHOP - Tech2 IGB shop EVE GAMING - API Secure IGB |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:32:00 -
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Last I looked officer mods of 40-75B value are nowhere near big enough to require a jump freighter.
Tell you what. Do the heist, and I'll haul them all out for 2B. I've got a black ops and a prowler, I'm not too proud to use em. I'll even pay decent collateral for a few items at a time.
If you have two spies you should be able to burn just one, with the other still having docking rights. Which means you should be able to haul the stuff out piecemeal near downtime without ever having to use a big fat jump freighter target, or giving up 2-4B to someone.
Heck, just use a carrier. Those are dirt cheap.
So yeah, scamtastic.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:39:00 -
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You know, I have to admit. "Borrowing" the 2b from your Alliance and then making the heist would be a much tastier option and make it sting quite a bit more.
While I do not condone such "dishonorable" actions, I really hold no ill-will towards those who do them. (Unless against me, of course)
Pirates are considered to be a "legitimate" profession in Eve, so I believe that along those same lines of thinking, so are scammers and spies. Just don't expect the more honorable players to trust you. :)
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear Last I looked officer mods of 40-75B value are nowhere near big enough to require a jump freighter.
Tell you what. Do the heist, and I'll haul them all out for 2B. I've got a black ops and a prowler, I'm not too proud to use em. I'll even pay decent collateral for a few items at a time.
If you have two spies you should be able to burn just one, with the other still having docking rights. Which means you should be able to haul the stuff out piecemeal near downtime without ever having to use a big fat jump freighter target, or giving up 2-4B to someone.
Heck, just use a carrier. Those are dirt cheap.
So yeah, scamtastic.
I said officer and faction mods MOSTLY. I'll be taking everything I can get my hands on which will include quite a few T2 and faction ships. Their total value will probably be dwarfed by the officer mods, but an extra 2B is ships is an extra 2B..
A carrier would be ideal except that I don't have a character that can pilot one. If you'd like to front the isk to buy me one, then sure, we'll do it that way.
I was well aware when posting this that every single response was going to claim this was a scam, which is why I tried to include as much info as possible. If I was capable of doing this without investors then I wouldn't be in here asking for some. If a potential investor is worried that associating with a criminal will damage their credibility then I encourage them to evemail me so their name doesn't appear on this thread. I'm happy for people to remain anonymous and would encourage them to make an alt to talk to me with.
I also don't like to burn spies if I can help it, you never know when they will come in handy. (but yes, im expecting at least one of them will be found out because of this)
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.05 06:09:00 -
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i can confirm that there is nothing to confirm.. go back to c&p :D
i wont invest in this for sure... but i like the plan, and i dont think its a scam... (the hauler part) This is a signature not related to EVE |
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.05 06:20:00 -
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If you can scam your friends, whats to stop you scamming strangers? |
Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.05 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic If you can scam your friends, whats to stop you scamming strangers?
nothing... and thats why im not investing... as someone else said, this could have been written in nigiria :D This is a signature not related to EVE |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.04.05 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic If you can scam your friends, whats to stop you scamming strangers?
This.
If you could offer collateral or something it'd be a possibility. But you're asking for funds to be a thief. Mhmmm.
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Suction Aspiration
Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.04.05 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin I said officer and faction mods MOSTLY. I'll be taking everything I can get my hands on which will include quite a few T2 and faction ships. Their total value will probably be dwarfed by the officer mods, but an extra 2B is ships is an extra 2B..
So it's going to cost you 2b, plus a cut of the heist to get an extra 2b in ships. Aren't you losing out in this scenario?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.05 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Originally by: Ricdic If you can scam your friends, whats to stop you scamming strangers?
This.
If you could offer collateral or something it'd be a possibility. But you're asking for funds to be a thief. Mhmmm.
I'm trying to work out what i can offer as collateral when im pretty much putting everything I have in to this.. I could give company shares out but we all know that means nothing in the long run. I have already approached a few people that I know could possibly bankroll me in C&P but they either aren't interested or haven't gotten back to me.
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TradeNow
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Posted - 2009.04.05 07:34:00 -
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I have to say the that the first thing that went thru my mine was that you want me to give you isk to help you rip off your corp/alliance and I should expect to get my ISK back because you've proven yourself to be so honest upfront, yeah right.
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LiQ'd
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Posted - 2009.04.05 08:54:00 -
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Crazyness at best, you're about to scam an alliance, so you not only look for someone to help you, but you also advertise on these forums? LOL
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Tyr Rikharor
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Posted - 2009.04.05 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tyr Rikharor on 05/04/2009 09:01:09 Edited by: Tyr Rikharor on 05/04/2009 08:59:42 How about one of your spies sends me an eve-mail ingame. I got some million-isks left to invest. With that, you at least give me some security that the spies actually exist. It's going to be a mutually trust/risk contract - I hold information about your spies (which will not serve me too much in the medium/long run), and I'll invest about 500 million ISKs.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.05 09:57:00 -
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You say that one of the characters 'has access to all the hangars' - do you mean that they have been made a director in the corp? If so, I could use your API key to verify whether or not you actually have access to valuable items, and I could also assess whether the total volume would justify the purchase of an expensive jump freighter. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:35:00 -
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If I had a directory spy we wouldn't be having this conversation as I would have made off with the the contents of the wallet, a few POSs and everything within grabbing distance by now.
While I understand the whole 'give me your API so I can verify' thing, unfortunately its not going to happen for 2 reasons. Firstly the alliance involved would likely find out and secondly there would then be a way of attaching those accounts to this one. I don't wish for either of those 2 things to happen. |
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Kushieda Katsui
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Posted - 2009.04.05 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin If I had a directory spy we wouldn't be having this conversation as I would have made off with the the contents of the wallet, a few POSs and everything within grabbing distance by now.
While I understand the whole 'give me your API so I can verify' thing, unfortunately its not going to happen for 2 reasons. Firstly the alliance involved would likely find out and secondly there would then be a way of attaching those accounts to this one. I don't wish for either of those 2 things to happen.
dont forget 3. It would prove that this is a scam.
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Johnny Rockefeller
Builders League United
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Posted - 2009.04.05 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin While I understand the whole 'give me your API so I can verify' thing, unfortunately its not going to happen for 2 reasons. Firstly the alliance involved would likely find out and secondly there would then be a way of attaching those accounts to this one. I don't wish for either of those 2 things to happen.
Not letting him do an API check is the quickest way to prove that you're scamming. They wouldn't find out anymore from that than you are giving away by making this thread. You don't have to give it to everyone, just give it to Kazuo who can then come back and state whether or not you really have access to the things you claim to, and if you really need a JF to haul it all out. |
Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 05/04/2009 16:10:59
Sounds like you need a broker. Tell you what - I have a pretty trusted name in EVE. I have a choice of 2 pilots with jump freighters (or) 4 carrier pilots with carriers that I can use simultaneously and an appropriate number of cyno-alts to do the job solo.
All you have to do is nominate the pickup and destination stations, escrow the goods to me and give me 10% fee on delivery. No need for additional investors.
If you can't accept that offer, you're just scamming. Message me in-game.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:55:00 -
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The 0.0 alliance has been warned and assassins are dispatched
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/04/2009 18:15:42
Originally by: Hexxx Sounds like one of those emails I get from Nigeria.
This isn't a business plan, this is a scheme.
Actually, it's a classic scheme, Hexxxy!
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:00:00 -
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Why wouldn't you just use a transport ship for the officer mods. Why would you accept 2B investment in order to get a jump freighter JUST so you can get an additional 2B in ships?
Why would anyone trust someone who is about to seriously break the trust intrusted in them before and they are almost bragging about it?
Especially someone who won't even post with their main.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:39:00 -
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To all the nice people giving me friendly advice about how to save myself the trouble of a jump freighter. I'm going to have to run and run fast to get out. I will not have the luxury of milling around, taking in the sights, working my way slowly back to empire.
I can get to lowsec in 2 jumps. First jump to a 'friendly' pos I happen to know the shield password for and the second will be in to lowsec, from there I'll split everything up and use regular transports to move it out over time.
I can just about guarantee a non jump ship will make it about 3 gates before being bubbled regardless of the timing. If I'm VERY VERY lucky I MIGHT make it, but its not worth the risk to me when I can jump out and be 100% sure.
In all honestly I didn't think this would go down very well in here but I'd like to take advantage of the opportunity I've been given before it gets taken away.
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Johnny Rockefeller
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.04.06 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin To all the nice people giving me friendly advice about how to save myself the trouble of a jump freighter. I'm going to have to run and run fast to get out. I will not have the luxury of milling around, taking in the sights, working my way slowly back to empire.
I can get to lowsec in 2 jumps. First jump to a 'friendly' pos I happen to know the shield password for and the second will be in to lowsec, from there I'll split everything up and use regular transports to move it out over time.
I can just about guarantee a non jump ship will make it about 3 gates before being bubbled regardless of the timing. If I'm VERY VERY lucky I MIGHT make it, but its not worth the risk to me when I can jump out and be 100% sure.
In all honestly I didn't think this would go down very well in here but I'd like to take advantage of the opportunity I've been given before it gets taken away.
Fine. You still haven't given a decent answer as to why you can't let someone do an API check.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:12:00 -
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Actually I am very keen to invest. The problem is I don't think your genuine.
If you send me 500M ISK to prove your genuine, then I will send you the 2B ISK (+ your deposit) to buy the JF.
I only do business with genuine people!!
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Kushieda Katsui
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Actually I am very keen to invest. The problem is I don't think your genuine.
If you send me 500M ISK to prove your genuine, then I will send you the 2B ISK (+ your deposit) to buy the JF.
I only do business with genuine people!!
2B, bye bye
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