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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 05:57:00 -
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For the purposes of discussion this thread was started regarding the above mentioned news article published on Eve Guardian.
Let the good times roll but please keep it nice, clean, and flame free. As always those who be mods don't like it when we don't.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 05:57:00 -
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For the purposes of discussion this thread was started regarding the above mentioned news article published on Eve Guardian.
Let the good times roll but please keep it nice, clean, and flame free. As always those who be mods don't like it when we don't.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Dobbo
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:03:00 -
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I think your anonamous reporter is digging.....as in looking to cause troubles where there is none :P.....other than that, thats all anyone REALLY needs to know.
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Dobbo
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:03:00 -
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I think your anonamous reporter is digging.....as in looking to cause troubles where there is none :P.....other than that, thats all anyone REALLY needs to know.
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The Zuffler
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:21:00 -
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Stain should open up these stations in Catch to any non-CA corp to boost revenue returns from the station.
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The Zuffler
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:21:00 -
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Stain should open up these stations in Catch to any non-CA corp to boost revenue returns from the station.
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SuperMarine
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Posted - 2004.08.24 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: SuperMarine on 24/08/2004 09:52:44
yeh well stains borders are closed 
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SuperMarine
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Posted - 2004.08.24 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: SuperMarine on 24/08/2004 09:52:44
yeh well stains borders are closed
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:16:00 -
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There is no issue about this. SA rotates its stations until a government body has been established to take care of them.
Regarding the collected minerals, Shadow has been collecting them, and has provided them to our logistics organization. There are questions on how much it is and all that, but in no way does that mean shadow is hiding something. Its a game, and these things tend to be neglected when there are more fun things to do.
Shadow corp personell is busy fighting for the alliance, and doing other things that are fun, as we all are. The Collective offered to take the responsibility in this times rotation as we have a member that likes to look at internals of stations. 
Aeryn Sun
SA Fleet Admiral
-The Collective-
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:16:00 -
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There is no issue about this. SA rotates its stations until a government body has been established to take care of them.
Regarding the collected minerals, Shadow has been collecting them, and has provided them to our logistics organization. There are questions on how much it is and all that, but in no way does that mean shadow is hiding something. Its a game, and these things tend to be neglected when there are more fun things to do.
Shadow corp personell is busy fighting for the alliance, and doing other things that are fun, as we all are. The Collective offered to take the responsibility in this times rotation as we have a member that likes to look at internals of stations.
Aeryn Sun
SA Fleet Admiral
-The Collective-
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Cujo
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cujo on 24/08/2004 16:14:37
 Originally by: Dobbo
I think your anonamous reporter is digging.....as in looking to cause troubles where there is none :P.....other than that, thats all anyone REALLY needs to know.
Sounds to me like some one is trying to stir up trouble. It seems my name is being mentioned as being part of this story? I never knew there was a story?
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Terror Has A New Name.
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Cujo
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cujo on 24/08/2004 16:14:37
Originally by: Dobbo
I think your anonamous reporter is digging.....as in looking to cause troubles where there is none :P.....other than that, thats all anyone REALLY needs to know.
Sounds to me like some one is trying to stir up trouble. It seems my name is being mentioned as being part of this story? I never knew there was a story?
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Terror Has A New Name.
The Coalition / CEO Species 5618 |
UnIQu3
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:22:00 -
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Ill die side by shadow... by that said... ill trust em with my life...
I think its wrong of eveguardian to try stir up sumthing on the public... and not done there homework... wrong I say.
Eveguardian should have got sum good facts... or just dont post about sumthing they dont know about.
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:22:00 -
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Ill die side by shadow... by that said... ill trust em with my life...
I think its wrong of eveguardian to try stir up sumthing on the public... and not done there homework... wrong I say.
Eveguardian should have got sum good facts... or just dont post about sumthing they dont know about.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
I think its wrong of eveguardian to try stir up sumthing on the public... and not done there homework... wrong I say.
Eveguardian should have got sum good facts... or just dont post about sumthing they dont know about.
Hmmmmm, since this seems to be "dogpile on the journalist" day I'm very curious how this should have been handled differently. And I'm very honest about having comments about that.
While I agree with the above statements from the SA Admirial, about everyone having fun, I also have to handle my reporter duties with judicious care.
What else could I have done differently? (Honest and earnest question)
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
I think its wrong of eveguardian to try stir up sumthing on the public... and not done there homework... wrong I say.
Eveguardian should have got sum good facts... or just dont post about sumthing they dont know about.
Hmmmmm, since this seems to be "dogpile on the journalist" day I'm very curious how this should have been handled differently. And I'm very honest about having comments about that.
While I agree with the above statements from the SA Admirial, about everyone having fun, I also have to handle my reporter duties with judicious care.
What else could I have done differently? (Honest and earnest question)
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:43:00 -
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A few select quotes from a Stain Alliance representative would have perhaps added some integrity to this article.
But as it is, it has no value.
Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:43:00 -
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A few select quotes from a Stain Alliance representative would have perhaps added some integrity to this article.
But as it is, it has no value.
Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Taz Devlin
A few select quotes from a Stain Alliance representative would have perhaps added some integrity to this article.
But as it is, it has no value.
But I did quote Mr. Bowman. I can provide the chat log to you if you wish.
And yes I know we all have doubts about chat logs but at some point it isn't about spin. I didn't think much of this story... ... until there was something to it.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Taz Devlin
A few select quotes from a Stain Alliance representative would have perhaps added some integrity to this article.
But as it is, it has no value.
But I did quote Mr. Bowman. I can provide the chat log to you if you wish.
And yes I know we all have doubts about chat logs but at some point it isn't about spin. I didn't think much of this story... ... until there was something to it.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Taz Devlin on 24/08/2004 20:16:17
Originally by: Shar Tegral
But I did quote Mr. Bowman. I can provide the chat log to you if you wish.
But as you have put the article forth... Shadow are the wrong doers and are the only ones quoted.
There is no quote from the "victim" that is the SA itself.
No Quote, no declaration that we refused comment, no nothing.
So far you have only suggested that Shadow are not doing theyr job properly without any support other than "some validity".
I suggest you do more research before reporting such slander.
Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Taz Devlin on 24/08/2004 20:16:17
Originally by: Shar Tegral
But I did quote Mr. Bowman. I can provide the chat log to you if you wish.
But as you have put the article forth... Shadow are the wrong doers and are the only ones quoted.
There is no quote from the "victim" that is the SA itself.
No Quote, no declaration that we refused comment, no nothing.
So far you have only suggested that Shadow are not doing theyr job properly without any support other than "some validity".
I suggest you do more research before reporting such slander.
Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
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Orbital Drift
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
...I'm very curious how this should have been handled differently. And I'm very honest about having comments about that.
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What else could I have done differently? (Honest and earnest question)
I'm not sure how long you waited for replies or contact info from the relevant parties but a resonable waiting period (specifically noting how long you waited in the article) can, at least, show you tried to get further information.
The title could be construed to be inflammitory -- that was my initial reaction to it. Otherwise, I thought it was an interesting and informative piece even given the minimal facts you had to work with. I would like to see more like it, I think they give more IC flavor.
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Orbital Drift
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
...I'm very curious how this should have been handled differently. And I'm very honest about having comments about that.
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What else could I have done differently? (Honest and earnest question)
I'm not sure how long you waited for replies or contact info from the relevant parties but a resonable waiting period (specifically noting how long you waited in the article) can, at least, show you tried to get further information.
The title could be construed to be inflammitory -- that was my initial reaction to it. Otherwise, I thought it was an interesting and informative piece even given the minimal facts you had to work with. I would like to see more like it, I think they give more IC flavor.
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:09:00 -
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Shar,
What exactly is it that you're reporting here? I'm looking at your story in it's entirety.
Basically it says something to the affect of:
òThere are Player Owned Stations in Catch
òThey used to be managed by Shadow Company
òThey are now managed by The Collective
òA representative from Shadow Company didn't really have much to say regarding this...
Just as Aeryn has stated above, the SA rotates ownership until someone can be found that can be asked to manipulate the station management buttons for every little request that comes in. That, in itself, is a full time job.
Sure, there may have been questions ORIGINALLY regarding what was done with minerals gained from refines, but that was ironed out MONTHS ago from what I understand.
Of course, I don't speak for the entirety of the Stain Alliance, however.... your story isn't a story at all. There's really no beef in your tale, nothing to bite on, nothing to be gained other than "someone thinks someone was wrong."
I'm not trying to insult your reporting ethics or anything, please don't get me wrong. I know what EVE Guardian stands for and I admire it -- always have. I also understand that with all of the management discourse going around these days with other alliances, it's only fair to "spread the journalistic love" so to speak. Unfortunately, you're spread a bit thin here.
Lets get a follow up story going, if you really want to report on this. However, get some facts... hard evidence (or at least as concrete as you can get in an online game). THAT'S what reporting is all about. You owe it to yourself, and the community that reads your reports, to report thoroughly if you really think something is going on.
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:09:00 -
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Shar,
What exactly is it that you're reporting here? I'm looking at your story in it's entirety.
Basically it says something to the affect of:
òThere are Player Owned Stations in Catch
òThey used to be managed by Shadow Company
òThey are now managed by The Collective
òA representative from Shadow Company didn't really have much to say regarding this...
Just as Aeryn has stated above, the SA rotates ownership until someone can be found that can be asked to manipulate the station management buttons for every little request that comes in. That, in itself, is a full time job.
Sure, there may have been questions ORIGINALLY regarding what was done with minerals gained from refines, but that was ironed out MONTHS ago from what I understand.
Of course, I don't speak for the entirety of the Stain Alliance, however.... your story isn't a story at all. There's really no beef in your tale, nothing to bite on, nothing to be gained other than "someone thinks someone was wrong."
I'm not trying to insult your reporting ethics or anything, please don't get me wrong. I know what EVE Guardian stands for and I admire it -- always have. I also understand that with all of the management discourse going around these days with other alliances, it's only fair to "spread the journalistic love" so to speak. Unfortunately, you're spread a bit thin here.
Lets get a follow up story going, if you really want to report on this. However, get some facts... hard evidence (or at least as concrete as you can get in an online game). THAT'S what reporting is all about. You owe it to yourself, and the community that reads your reports, to report thoroughly if you really think something is going on.
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
What exactly is it that you're reporting here? I'm looking at your story in it's entirety.
First let me say that this was a damned fine post, not that others haven't been but this one is really good.
To answer: There were rumors, from confirmable sources that "can" be in the know, on this matter. As a reporter I am obligated to look into the matter or I have no credibility with those who share information with us. It is a true obligation.
The title was chosen simply becuase it was dramatic. It asked a question. A question that I, personally, would like to see answered. I've seen, far to many times, a corporation's good name slandered on far, far less. By raising the question it opens the door for information to be provided. It gives the corporation itself, and the Alliance, the opportunity to publicly clear the air instead of this lingering rumor mill.
Is it possible that someone has an axe to grind. Always possible, very much so. But in this thread we have had frank answers over the allegations made. We have some insights, favorable ones, about how the SA manages relationships with in itself. (A definite plus).
So what is the point?
To bring out into the open something that allowed potential troublemakers to insinuate things that don't exist. Of course until the issue is raised, and questions asked, how can anyone outside the situation say that this is a non-issue. (There in lies the ability of "Hellgremlins" if you are familiar with Eve ancient history.)
Which is also why I made an attached thread to this article, a rare happenstance, so that those involved may freely respond without feeling that I, or Eve Guardian, will play favorites with the responses.
This also begs the question: "Can we have a rebuttal published?" Heck yeah. I don't know the Shadow Company. I am not against knowing them better. And such a statement, and interview, from the principles would settle that at the least.
But at the end of all things, we are not judges. We are simply reporters who occasionally dramatize situations. "IC" news is pointless if it is banal. But we are also honest media. We recognize that we can be wrong and we look forward to having that shown to us any day of the week.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
What exactly is it that you're reporting here? I'm looking at your story in it's entirety.
First let me say that this was a damned fine post, not that others haven't been but this one is really good.
To answer: There were rumors, from confirmable sources that "can" be in the know, on this matter. As a reporter I am obligated to look into the matter or I have no credibility with those who share information with us. It is a true obligation.
The title was chosen simply becuase it was dramatic. It asked a question. A question that I, personally, would like to see answered. I've seen, far to many times, a corporation's good name slandered on far, far less. By raising the question it opens the door for information to be provided. It gives the corporation itself, and the Alliance, the opportunity to publicly clear the air instead of this lingering rumor mill.
Is it possible that someone has an axe to grind. Always possible, very much so. But in this thread we have had frank answers over the allegations made. We have some insights, favorable ones, about how the SA manages relationships with in itself. (A definite plus).
So what is the point?
To bring out into the open something that allowed potential troublemakers to insinuate things that don't exist. Of course until the issue is raised, and questions asked, how can anyone outside the situation say that this is a non-issue. (There in lies the ability of "Hellgremlins" if you are familiar with Eve ancient history.)
Which is also why I made an attached thread to this article, a rare happenstance, so that those involved may freely respond without feeling that I, or Eve Guardian, will play favorites with the responses.
This also begs the question: "Can we have a rebuttal published?" Heck yeah. I don't know the Shadow Company. I am not against knowing them better. And such a statement, and interview, from the principles would settle that at the least.
But at the end of all things, we are not judges. We are simply reporters who occasionally dramatize situations. "IC" news is pointless if it is banal. But we are also honest media. We recognize that we can be wrong and we look forward to having that shown to us any day of the week.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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infinity
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:57:00 -
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Just wanna backup my fellow alliance member.
Shadow Corp have done more then great job for this alliance and it aint fear to them to hear rumors about them being bad.
Nothing in that news is fact just rumors who is long way from the truth
Infinity
The Collective Director
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infinity
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:57:00 -
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Just wanna backup my fellow alliance member.
Shadow Corp have done more then great job for this alliance and it aint fear to them to hear rumors about them being bad.
Nothing in that news is fact just rumors who is long way from the truth
Infinity
The Collective Director
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