Just out of curiosity as I've only had a character in FW for the first year after release and therefore am quite a bit out of touch with the state of current FW - what impact did alliances being able to join actually have?

From what I've followed on the forums not so much, but Eve-O forums are a very 'special' place. It's all the more interesting as you're stating that alliances in FW have ruined it whilst you're obviously a member of an FW alliance.

Not wanting to derail the thread, but that really puzzles me.

I have been assured in the patch feedback thread by multiple FW combat experts that being unable to dock in a system owned by an opposing faction makes it impossible to have combat. After all, how will they get ammo, cap boosters, or reship?

I am also assured that it can only encourage blob warfare, and that smaller roaming gangs will be impossible.

Apparently the only way combat can occur is for the smaller force to seed ships in all of the larger factions owned station systems, and do ninja raids into the nearby plexes... and actually driving the enemy out of the area first would accomplish nothing.

Welp, I'm convinced.

How about you?

You know, I've tried very hard to be civil... and at least somewhat represent your point of view in other posts.

That will end abruptly if you try to put words in my mouth again.

I said that the plex mechanic in FW may be reworked, if not now then very soon, and that while it determines SOV it by no means should be considered the only way to fight the other faction.

If you can deter the other faction from entering the area of a given plex, or drive them physically away from it, the rest is easy.

Apparently actually fighting the other faction outside of a plex is a concept that is alien to FW fleets.

I try not to misrepresent what you have said in defense of your position, and expect the same courtesy in return.

Well - didn't they announce they'd change the occupancy system as well?

I don't think anything major has changed after week one of FW (they changed flipping requiremets one week after 0utbreak curbstomped Amarr occupancy within a week after deployment iirc).

Then I remember reading about some minor tweaks to cloaked plexing, friendly militia plexing and after DT plex spawns (?).

The fact that Amarr and Gallente plexes could be done in a reaper with a pimped propmod whilst you'd get missile bombarded and target painted in Minmatar Plexes and being permajammed and mssile-spammed in Caldari plexes was never looked at (?) and should be fixed prior to occupancy having any meaning of course.

I have a question, does FW affect those who arent signed up? If my missioning hub is im kandykane lane system and Gallente take it over am I screwed and have to find a new system cause Ill get shot if I go there or does it only mater to ppl who FW?

How so?

That re-shipping idea is pretty ingenious, I don't think we ever did it when I was in it, and I can see how losing access to that would be very inconvenient.

However, on the other side of the coin, in systems where you had occupancy, you would be at an advantage, while they would have a disadvantage for the same reasons.

In my mind, it makes sense that the defenders would have an advantage, while the attackers have the disadvantage. Couldn't you base ships in neighboring friendly systems and jump back there and reship and return if the enemy countered your current fleet composition?

Agreed, if system occupancy will provide tangible effects like that, it should be harder to flip a system.

I have not done the FW stuff in eve yet, but it sure as hell makes sense to me that if you don't own the system you don't get carte blanc to dock up and go missioning